Socket 939 won't fit existing 940 Motherboards?

[tophman]

From what this article says, the new 939 chips won't fit on existing 940 motherboards. Can anyone else confirm this? I bought a new case and a new enermax 550w PS because I heard the new vid cards were power hogs. I was going to pick up a new Nforce 3 250 board but if they won't work with the 939 chips, I guess I will wait a little longer.
It also claims the release date is May 25th.


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[myocardia]

No, how could they work? They have a different amount of pins (and more than likely, a different pin layout). A few manufacturers will be making nForce3 250 motherboards in socket 754, though.

 

[Megatomic]

I myself am waiting for Socket 939/NF3-250Gb Ultra before I jump into A64 territory. :heart:

 

[tophman]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I myself am waiting for Socket 939/NF3-250Gb Ultra before I jump into A64 territory. :heart:

ME TOO!

I just hope the wait isn't too long or expensive. My xp2100 running at 2700 is holding out OK, but I need to build another box and I am getting impatient.

Now to determine the best memory for the 939's. Does anyone know what will be a good memory for those? Since memory prices keep climbing, I'm trying to figure out if I should buy now or wait to see what the actual requirements will be. I have a gig of Muskin 2-2-2 3200 in my current machine that I could put in my new build. I don't think the 939 requires ECC. Any suggestions?
Thanks!

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: tophman

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I myself am waiting for Socket 939/NF3-250Gb Ultra before I jump into A64 territory. :heart:

ME TOO!

I just hope the wait isn't too long or expensive. My xp2100 running at 2700 is holding out OK, but I need to build another box and I am getting impatient.

Now to determine the best memory for the 939's. Does anyone know what will be a good memory for those? Since memory prices keep climbing, I'm trying to figure out if I should buy now or wait to see what the actual requirements will be. I have a gig of Muskin 2-2-2 3200 in my current machine that I could put in my new build. I don't think the 939 requires ECC. Any suggestions?
Thanks!

939 does not require ECC memory... only the FX requires it...



but man.. an FX setup would be SWEET to have!!!

 

[tophman]

The FX prices are way to high for me... I would naturally love one though.
I'm going to wait for the 939 at this point.

I guess now the question is, what is the best memory for the 939? From what I can tell, something faster than 3200 speed for OCing. Do I try to figure out what to buy now before memory climbs any higher or wait till we see what memory actually works best after reading some reviews??? Decisions.... Decisions. Kinda like 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.
I wish I could find a little more info on the 939!

 

[Megatomic]

Well of course the faster the memory the better but I think that the A64s have been pretty hypertransport bus limited so far. It seems like most are hitting a wall at 220MHz (please correct me if I'm wrong). If your Mushkin can o/c to even 210MHz then you will probably be all right for a while. I have 1GB of Corsair PC3500 and I plan to use it in my dream system, it does 220MHz on my NF2 boards.

So, I say keep your Mushkin and see what you can do with it. Memory prices are creeping up but I don't see them rising too quickly. If your current stuff isn't cutting it, sell it on FS/FT and use the funds to buy faster sticks.

 

[Corsairpro]

939 does not require ECC memory... only the FX requires it...

Ok, here we go again:

Currently this is the RAM requirements for AMD's highend CPUs.

Opteron: Registered ECC required
A64 FX-5x: Registered required (ECC optional)
A64: Plain DDR (registered ECC not available)

 

[mrSHEiK124]

and another thing, most 939 CPUs will be FX, to make it easier for some people. Socket 940 Requires Registered DDR [Dual Channel], ECC optional, Socket 754 Requires Normal DDR, Socket 939 Requires Normal DDR [Dual Channel]

 

[Schadenfroh]

why is amd even gonna make a 939? why not continue what they are doing now. they have already delayed 939 into oblivion

 

[DragonFire]

The only thing delayed into oblivion, is Duke Nukem Forever

yeah yeah...office topic I know....

Tho Id like to know what the point is of makeing two socket types that are only one pin differnet. Seems like they should just use 940 and be done with it.....none of this 754, 939, 940 crap.

 

[Corsairpro]

Originally posted by: DragonFire
The only thing delayed into oblivion, is Duke Nukem Forever

yeah yeah...office topic I know....

Tho Id like to know what the point is of makeing two socket types that are only one pin differnet. Seems like they should just use 940 and be done with it.....none of this 754, 939, 940 crap.

AMD is trying to go the path that Intel has with their Xeon processors, IE make them reasonably different from their desktop line. Currently, the FX (a consumer / workstation oriented CPU) shares the same socket as their server chip. AMD is moving the FX AND the A64 to one socket (again like intel with their EE and P4). This will result in a clearer product differentiation and ease the design overhead for motherboard makers. Also, the additional pins for the A64 will allow the dual channel memory they plan on giving the chip.

 

[Corsairpro]

dp

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: myocardia
No, how could they work? They have a different amount of pins (and more than likely, a different pin layout). A few manufacturers will be making nForce3 250 motherboards in socket 754, though.

Ya don't gotta be sarcastic =) Not everyone stays as up to date with current technology as some of us enthusiasts.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
why is amd even gonna make a 939? why not continue what they are doing now. they have already delayed 939 into oblivion

They're going 939 to get rid of the ECC requirement for the FX series and to make all processors run on the same socket platform (not including server chips). The motherboard manufacturers will lower expenses (lower our expenses) by being able to design boards for fewer socket types.

 

[sonoran]

Socket 939 also allows motherboard makers to use 4-layer boards instead of 6-layer boards. Significantly easier to design and cheaper to make.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
why is amd even gonna make a 939? why not continue what they are doing now. they have already delayed 939 into oblivion

They're going 939 to get rid of the ECC requirement for the FX series and to make all processors run on the same socket platform (not including server chips). The motherboard manufacturers will lower expenses (lower our expenses) by being able to design boards for fewer socket types.

That doesn't seem very likely at all to me, since they are actually going to have to design a minimum of two more motherboards per company.:disgust:

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
why is amd even gonna make a 939? why not continue what they are doing now. they have already delayed 939 into oblivion

They're going 939 to get rid of the ECC requirement for the FX series and to make all processors run on the same socket platform (not including server chips). The motherboard manufacturers will lower expenses (lower our expenses) by being able to design boards for fewer socket types.

That doesn't seem very likely at all to me, since they are actually going to have to design a minimum of two more motherboards per company.:disgust:

Actually they will only have to design one more... the 939... the 754 will die off. The 940 will remain but for Servers... they won't have to worry about the bells and whistles that home consumers want... just businesses. If a company doesn't plan on getting into the server business they would only have to make the 939.

 

[Gamingphreek]

WOnt the 939 use DDR2 later on. NOt at first but like in Q1 of 2005 or A$ of 2004? Im waiting for that to come out. 2500 @ 3000+ is doing just fine right now

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Xplaya91
WOnt the 939 use DDR2 later on. NOt at first but like in Q1 of 2005 or A$ of 2004? Im waiting for that to come out. 2500 @ 3000+ is doing just fine right now

Yeah AMD will support ddr2 in 2005 (begining or middle of year)... I am looking at the upcoming SIS / VIA chipsets which will offer a lot of dual compatiability (ddr / ddr2, agp / pci-e, etc...)

 

[dynasty]

I thought the new motherboards coming out for 939 sockets were going to use DDRII? Or is that going to be coming out later in the year or into next year?

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: tophman
<blockquote>Quote
Originally posted by: Megatomic
I myself am waiting for Socket 939/NF3-250Gb Ultra before I jump into A64 territory. :heart:

ME TOO!

I just hope the wait isn't too long or expensive. My xp2100 running at 2700 is holding out OK, but I need to build another box and I am getting impatient.

Now to determine the best memory for the 939's. Does anyone know what will be a good memory for those? Since memory prices keep climbing, I'm trying to figure out if I should buy now or wait to see what the actual requirements will be. I have a gig of Muskin 2-2-2 3200 in my current machine that I could put in my new build. I don't think the 939 requires ECC. Any suggestions?
Thanks![/quote]

you have an XP2100 running at 2700MHZ!!!! man that's amazing! show me your sig.
what cooling are you using, and at what voltage your cpu is running at?

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AMD Athlon XP T-Bred B DLT3C 1700+ @ 2.3GHZ (1.775v) 400FSB = 3200+
Abit NF7-S V.2 (nForce2-U400)
Corsair TwinX XMS 3200LL 512MB @ 2-3-2-6 (2.6v)
Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB
Antec TrueBlue 480W
Thermalright SLK-947U with 92mm Vantec Tornado @2800RPM
Antec PlusView 1000AMG
Cambridge SoundWorks MegaWorks THX 550 5.1

 

[KillaBong]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: tophman
<blockquote>Quote
Originally posted by: Megatomic
I myself am waiting for Socket 939/NF3-250Gb Ultra before I jump into A64 territory. :heart:

ME TOO!

I just hope the wait isn't too long or expensive. My xp2100 running at 2700 is holding out OK, but I need to build another box and I am getting impatient.

Now to determine the best memory for the 939's. Does anyone know what will be a good memory for those? Since memory prices keep climbing, I'm trying to figure out if I should buy now or wait to see what the actual requirements will be. I have a gig of Muskin 2-2-2 3200 in my current machine that I could put in my new build. I don't think the 939 requires ECC. Any suggestions?
Thanks!

you have an XP2100 running at 2700MHZ!!!! man that's amazing! show me your sig.
what cooling are you using, and at what voltage your cpu is running at?

I think he meant 2100+ @ 2700+ speed, but if it's 2700 mhz, then he probably doesn't need a new one of these that badly, and he has a really nice cooling setup. My 2100+ will do 2400mhz no problem though.