Socket 939 Sempron found........

[Duvie]

Then the pattern looks the same...another dip...another dip in cpu utilization and gaming dives down to 27fps....That same cardiac rthym as before....I wonder if this will solve it...I guess if pattern holds tru check back in 4-6 hours....



The one thing that seems certain is AMDs gaming has not varied but plus or minus 1 fps for 22 hours not to mention the 60 hours on the other test....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Then the pattern looks the same...another dip...another dip in cpu utilization and gaming dives down to 27fps....That same cardiac rthym as before....I wonder if this will solve it...I guess if pattern holds tru check back in 4-6 hours....



The one thing that seems certain is AMDs gaming has not varied but plus or minus 1 fps for 22 hours not to mention the 60 hours on the other test....

Very true. But also true is the operating system is not giving the Divx thread practicallly any CPU time. The AMD system does seem rock stable so far.

 

[raincityboy]

Not a big deal, but does anyone else see this,

Intel: week overview
Intel Pentium D 840 EE / 67 C / min -55C / max 70C / avg -53.1C

What am I missing? Stock cooling down to -55?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Duvie
Then the pattern looks the same...another dip...another dip in cpu utilization and gaming dives down to 27fps....That same cardiac rthym as before....I wonder if this will solve it...I guess if pattern holds tru check back in 4-6 hours....



The one thing that seems certain is AMDs gaming has not varied but plus or minus 1 fps for 22 hours not to mention the 60 hours on the other test....

Very true. But also true is the operating system is not giving the Divx thread practicallly any CPU time. The AMD system does seem rock stable so far.

It has nothing to give and if it is true GKnot by using low priority would only give the Divx encoding cycles if none of the other 3 needed them...Looking at the other 3 apps that isn't going to happen...It gets a scrap in between apps restarting (likely).....NOw from my testing when I had an HT cpu setting priorities did absolutely nothing...HT would ignore my low priority on the FH and take cycles from other things...AMD would halt FH pretty much and gaming or whatever would run normal speed.....HT seems to trump the priority settings and handles it on its own anyways....

I will take the system that doesn't crash like clockwork....Like I said before even multitasking crazy like I am I would not see a scenario with that many apps (cpu intensive) running concurrently.....

I do think if you dropped the 4 task (Divx) Intel could still be equal in the test cause thoeretically the still have the extra HT per core.....Now then if they used 3 the one core may not be used unless one of those apps are multithreaded....The lame one could be if using the right (alpha) app otherwise the would (the top 3) be all single threaded apps and likely AMD would win...if they ran 3 but used the gknot which is somewhat multithreaded it may use the HT virtual cores (both of them) and then the INtel could win or win 2 out of the 3 test...


Edit: this is all based on numbers I have seen from this test...Who knows if this test is accurate or can be reproduced...

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Sentential
Jesus.... did anyone see the CPU load temps of that intel system? I wonder if they have the heatsink installed properly. 84C* average is just crazy

This is why I say NEVER believe motherboard temps. Obviously that CPU is not running 90C or it would'nt be running at all.. It has the exact same "heart monitor" throttleing effect it had when running a 65C and 72C on the two other boards. How can you very from 65-90C with same chip. Classical motherboard diode BS which I never look at since I had two NF7-S's which varied by more than 25C with the same chip!!!!!

It wouldn't be too hard to take a diode, put it on the edge of the IHS (on the side not the top!), and wire that into a serial port or something. Would be much more reliable.

And what are you doing on the intarweb anyways, Zebo? I thought you were on vacation!

 

[AnandThenMan]

WOW is all I can say. Toms is losing motherboards right left and sideways! They have gone though at least 5 motherboards. One of them ended up with fried voltage regulators. I just don't know what to say....

 

[Markfw]

too much power... The EE sucks too much power... and creates too much heat. Thats my semi-unsientific opinion of what is causing all these problems with the Intel setup.

 

[TraumaRN]

You are right the EE is creating too much heat...and not to mention now that they have a 'working' motherboard the system seems unstable as it's rebooted 3 times in the last 24 hours.

I dont mean to get people fired up over this but that honestly sucks that they burned through 5 motherboards that were supposed to work with the dual core.

Is that possibly because of the whole new socket/new mobo?? I mean I would consider myself an AMD person and I'm gonna try and buy an X2 in August/Sept, but I was honestly expecting more problems from the AMD system because of having to update BIOS and all that...but who knows I'm just a consumer

 

[mindgam3]

It should be apparent though that with this type of test if the intel system was able to be stable it would be ahead in all 4 tasks it seems.. I was expecting more muscle from the amd chip to be honest but the stability makes up for it i guess

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: mindgam3
It should be apparent though that with this type of test if the intel system was able to be stable it would be ahead in all 4 tasks it seems.. I was expecting more muscle from the amd chip to be honest but the stability makes up for it i guess

They have already run multi-tasking test at Toms and Anandtech, and the 4800 won or tied in the tests. This test is just slanted due to the particular applications they choose to test, and how many (IMO)

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
At this time, I would just like to thank THG for all of this entertainment. At the very least, it sure gives us stuff to talk about.

I'm sure THG would like to thank you for fattening their wallets with many, many ad views :evil:

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Is it me or did they plug the CPU fan into a different fan header this time? RPM's are higher now. Almost 1000 rpm higher. What was it before, about 2150rpm? Now its just over 3000.

If you read through the german update you'll see that they were going to replace the HSF with a 3500 RPM model with a beefier copper contact plate.

Edit: In addition they replaced the PSU with a 480 watt Enermax.

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, I have been keeping track since the last hardware change on the intel system and it seems it will eventually catch up and surpass the AMD system believe it or not. It will take a few days but barring any further hardware failures, it will catch up.

...................CD's.............RAR...............FC..............DIVX

AMD...........117...............1009.............600...............30
Intel............102..............548................367.............500
difference.....-15...............-461..............-233............+470

Next refresh

..................CD's .............RAR...............FC.............DIVX

AMD...........118.................1011............601..............30
Intel............104................551...............369............510
difference....-14..................-460.............-232...........+480

So it is steadily creeping up. Will take a very long time to catch up, but it eventually will. Impressed is an understatement. I was literally expecting the AMD X2 4800+ to HAMMER the INTEL chip.

I know what your all thinking. Lets Ask ANAND if he would consider doing a similar test here on AT. Thats what you were thinking right?

Anyway, I'll check back in a few hours to see how much the Intel rig gained, or crashed.

 

[andrewln]

Next refresh

..................CD's .............RAR...............FC.............DIVX

AMD...........121.................1035............616..............30
Intel............106................571...............383............520
difference....-15..................-464.............-233...........+490

don't think INTEL chip is "creeping up", except for DIVX

 

[Duvie]

Next refresh

..................CD's .............RAR...............FC.............DIVX

AMD...........122.................1040............620..............30
Intel............107................575...............388............530
difference....-15..................-465.............-232...........+500

yeah...

I know what Keys is saying cause when the intel is running it was in the start of the 2nd round faster at cd encoding.....The gaming has INtel at 37fps fr a period of time but occasionally suffers a 27fps that keeps it in check....Is it throttling I dont know.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
too much power... The EE sucks too much power... and creates too much heat. Thats my semi-unsientific opinion of what is causing all these problems with the Intel setup.

Maybe they should watercool the cpu and northbridge or use a phase-change system on both (as has been suggested). If instability still persists, it's not heat related. They can then swap the psus between amd and intel systems. If there are still problems, swipe memory, and so on until all components are exchanged. If problems still persist, it's the cpu or an operating system error.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Markfw900
too much power... The EE sucks too much power... and creates too much heat. Thats my semi-unsientific opinion of what is causing all these problems with the Intel setup.

Maybe they should watercool the cpu and northbridge or use a phase-change system on both (as has been suggested). If instability still persists, it's not heat related. They can then swap the psus between amd and intel systems. If there are still problems, swipe memory, and so on until all components are exchanged. If problems still persist, it's the cpu or an operating system error.

Yea, while we are at it, lets put watercooling on both and see how much they OC !!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
. I was literally expecting the AMD X2 4800+ to HAMMER the INTEL chip.
.

Not me. I find it commendable Toms has found one area of performance advantage no other site has been able to find for the Pentium D-EE.

But should we really be that suprised? I don't doubt this Intel EE is faster in FOUR intensive tasks containing intel micro ops than any dual core X2.

Toms designed the test to show that.

Why? The EE has four cores. Much like 3.2 prescott vs. a single core 4000, the 3.2 prescott *should* come out ahead in two very intensive tasks running simultanious...Duvie and Caniam showed that in his HT demos....due to two virtual cores for Intel vs. one for AMD... HT is intel's only saving grace really, as we've always known.

Too bad Intel did'nt include hyperthreading on the budget dual cores or I'd buy one. As it is though, regualr P4D's single, double and most multithreaded performance can't come close to AMD X2 at all see sig or about 100 other reviews out there..

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: andrewln
Next refresh

..................CD's .............RAR...............FC.............DIVX

AMD...........130.................1104............658..............30
Intel............117................629...............428............560
difference....-13..................-475.............-230...........+530

don't think INTEL chip is "creeping up", except for DIVX

I think it is in everything except WinRAR. Since my last post, Intel has gained 2 CD encodes, 3 Far Cry runs and 30 additional minutes in Divx. AMD gained 10 archives in winrar. Intel is definately creeping andrewin, albeit slowly. If we, or anyone else can figure out why the intel chip has a heartbeat in the graphs, and rectify it, the creeping would become crawling.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I've seen that intel box reboot 3x now toms still says once.

No sh!t! What is that about? The AMD machine has been up for 22hrs+ with 0 reboots.

 

[Duvie]

I think we should see it last 12 hours first...It will with a 12 hour run IMO pass the AMD in CD....However nothing short of weeks is going to get the gaming back....

If you start running the test now based on Toms results (albeit possibly not right or reproduceable by others) and not have the system crash INtel I believe (no spin) will win 3 out of the 4 test....based on analyzing these numbers, which could be skewed...who knows...Toms does!!!

The question will be to see if heat doesn't start causing problems again..the temps are similar to lows of before when it did crash after 20 hours and then it all started sliding downhill quickly....

 

[Markfw]

Regardless, I would rather have two real-dual-core opterons for 4 cores than this POS heat factory if I really needed that much power. the 4800 in even high mutitasking blows it out of the water at much less heat.

 

[MDme]

what tests will it win?? certainly not winrar and farcry. the cd encoding is too close to call really. divx is obviously intel. the question would be what if they change the order they start the programs. maybe the x2 will be more competitive with intel in divx.

 

[biostud]

bah, we all know it comes down to which run UT2K7 best
While I like the idea of running such a stress test, it's probably not anything any of us wil run in to. Who are going to run lots of CPU intensive tasks while gaming?
Beeing able to run a virus test or do some encoding while gaming is fine, but as soon as a single program starts using both core's we're not going to use the CPU for much other.

 

[kitkat22]

I love the new update just posted today at THG. Talk about instability, they went through 5 motherboards for the Intel box before they could get one to work and that board is still in beta!! Over both tests AMD has not required any reboots, while Intel has required several. Is anyone getting the impression Intel rushed this out the door and has overheating issues?