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Socket 939 and 754

there's only about a zillion of threads about same topic. But s939 has dualchannel and will support dualcore CPU's in the futre while s754 is singlechannel and won't support Dual-core CPU's.
 
Sorry for the redundancy.

Thanks for the reply.

I knew about the d-c ram but neglected to think of which socket the newer dual core cpu's will run on.
 
The performance difference between the two is negligible. The price difference is about $50.00 more for a comparable Socket 939 system.
Unless you plan to upgrade in 6-12 months there is no tangible advantage when it comes to upgrade possibilities. Anything said regarding this would be pure speculation.
 
That is a good point as well. I am thinking I will upgrade this summer and would prefer to not spend money on the more expensive dual-channel ram.

I would be upgrading from an XP2800+ OC'd to 3200+ speeds.I want to buy a cpu-mobo setup that would give me a strong 2 years at least before needing to upgrade if that is possible.

Will the 939 socket be around for a long time with upgrade options?
 
939 offers the only nforce4 chipsets which allow pci-express, sata 2, ncq and other new features.
only 939 offers .90 chips which run cooler.
939 chips will run fx chips through fx-61 while 754 stops running procs at 3700+ and will run the new duron line after that.
and none of that is speculation as edward knows because I have linked the amd roadmaps for him in the past.

no one with s939 system will advise you to go 754 and many with 754 systems will tell you to go 939.
edward qualifies as a s754 fanboy with his refusal to recognize the valid points presented him by many on this subject.

a lower end s939 system with nforce 4 can be had by purchasing a 133 dollar gigabyte board or 129 dollar chaintech board and a 155 dollar 939 3000+ processor.
The pci-express video cards are actually cheaper. You can get 6600 GTs for about 160 in pci-express whereas they are 40 bucks more on agp.
you'll probably be buying dual channel kits for either board yet only get dual channel performance on 939.

the ONLY 754 mobo I have ever heard of is coming from ECS and is not yet available. if it was out it might be a good choice but I would be concerned about the chip line ending at 3700+.
 
Dual channel ram is not more expensive. If u have 2 sticks that work together, it's dual channel, it's just that dual channel kits are "guarenteed" to work in dual channel.

If u wanna upgrade a lot then 939 is ur best bet, but i went skt754 because of the solid selection of mobo's and value packed performance. For instance, the 3400+ may not be able to oc as much as the 3500+ (never know with the new 3400+'s though) but at $50 cheaper have higher performance than the 3500+.

I dont oc much, nor do i upgrade often.
 
Originally posted by: jterrell
939 offers the only nforce4 chipsets which allow pci-express, sata 2, ncq and other new features.
only 939 offers .90 chips which run cooler.
939 chips will run fx chips through fx-61 while 754 stops running procs at 3700+ and will run the new duron line after that.
and none of that is speculation as edward knows because I have linked the amd roadmaps for him in the past.

no one with s939 system will advise you to go 754 and many with 754 systems will tell you to go 939.
edward qualifies as a s754 fanboy with his refusal to recognize the valid points presented him by many on this subject.

a lower end s939 system with nforce 4 can be had by purchasing a 133 dollar gigabyte board or 129 dollar chaintech board and a 155 dollar 939 3000+ processor.
The pci-express video cards are actually cheaper. You can get 6600 GTs for about 160 in pci-express whereas they are 40 bucks more on agp.
you'll probably be buying dual channel kits for either board yet only get dual channel performance on 939.

the ONLY 754 mobo I have ever heard of is coming from ECS and is not yet available. if it was out it might be a good choice but I would be concerned about the chip line ending at 3700+.
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:thumbsup: He is right

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Originally posted by: drpootums
Dual channel ram is not more expensive. If u have 2 sticks that work together, it's dual channel, it's just that dual channel kits are "guarenteed" to work in dual channel.

If u wanna upgrade a lot then 939 is ur best bet, but i went skt754 because of the solid selection of mobo's and value packed performance. For instance, the 3400+ may not be able to oc as much as the 3500+ (never know with the new 3400+'s though) but at $50 cheaper have higher performance than the 3500+.

I dont oc much, nor do i upgrade often.
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I am fairly certian you paid more than 129 for your mobo and whatever you paid for the 3400+ was more than a 3000+ 939 that can probably overclock to the same 2.4 on air.

A month ago I was going to make the same purchase you did but this month reasonable nforce 4 boards became available in stock.

If you are not a big OC'r than you wasted about 20 bucks on DFI board IMHO.

Your system will offer better bang for your buck than a guy who bought a 300 $ a8n-sli but there's much cheaper boards out there including the a8n-sli being under 200 now.

In 10 years of computer geekery the basic staple has been to always buy the latest greatest chipset/mobo and to buy older cpu chips because the mobo is what will ultimately determine when you have to purchase an entirely new pc and cpu prices drop fast.

If I had to guess I'd say the standard mid-level system in 3 years will be a dual-core cpu on a socket 900 board and sata2, ddr3, pci-express.
The s939 boards running single core fx-61's with pci-express, ddr, sata2 systems will be much like socket a 3200+ XP systems today as value systems still running the latest games but nearing end of life.

If the most expensive component I purchased was a video card I would MAKE sure it was pci-express if for no other reeason than I would be scared the agp card would lsoe all resale value in 1 year or less.
 
I personally will get a s754, because a) it is a bit cheaper; b) Asus makes no nForce3-based motherboards for s939, and I love my Asus and nVidia 😛; c) s754 motherboards are better time-tested than s939 and are more likely to work with no hitches.

However, s939 is a better CPU design on its own. It overclocks better and is cooler than the s754. Also it supports dual core, useful! Don't say that there is no reason to ever buy a 754 though, since circumstances might make it better, like in my case.

-fs
 
Originally posted by: jterrell
939 offers the only nforce4 chipsets which allow pci-express, sata 2, ncq and other new features.
only 939 offers .90 chips which run cooler.
939 chips will run fx chips through fx-61 while 754 stops running procs at 3700+ and will run the new duron line after that.
and none of that is speculation as edward knows because I have linked the amd roadmaps for him in the past.

no one with s939 system will advise you to go 754 and many with 754 systems will tell you to go 939.
edward qualifies as a s754 fanboy with his refusal to recognize the valid points presented him by many on this subject.

a lower end s939 system with nforce 4 can be had by purchasing a 133 dollar gigabyte board or 129 dollar chaintech board and a 155 dollar 939 3000+ processor.
The pci-express video cards are actually cheaper. You can get 6600 GTs for about 160 in pci-express whereas they are 40 bucks more on agp.
you'll probably be buying dual channel kits for either board yet only get dual channel performance on 939.

the ONLY 754 mobo I have ever heard of is coming from ECS and is not yet available. if it was out it might be a good choice but I would be concerned about the chip line ending at 3700+.
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Roadmap? What does that have to do with anything? What are you a fortune teller?
The fact is you get what you pay for. If you want all those extra features that's great it makes your system better, but guess what? You're paying more for it! Upgradability doesn't mean sqat to someone who wanting a performing system right now at the best price and doesn't care to upgrade back to TODAY's technology every 6-12 months. Most of us prefer to buy a system that will last 3 or more years and hopefully upgrade to the newest and best technology then, and not some 939 back in 2005 technology that jterrell swears will be the end all for future upgrades. I would be very surprise if the 939 is the primary upgrade path for most people in 3 years.


When you talk about me talk about me with respect peon!
 
I am going to opt for the 939 when I upgrade. From what I have read in this thread it is exactly what I am looking for in an upgrade.

This forum rocks! Thanks for the replies from everyone! Most helpful!

Will the value Mushkin ram (PC3200) I recently bought that is not labelled dual channel work OK with a 939 mobo? I'm thinking yes, but I may as well ask to be sure.
 
To put it simply :

If you already have a socket 754 , there is no need to upgrade to socket 939

If you plan to buy a new rig soon , you should go for socket 939

End of the story
 
Of course... dual channel is a property of the memory controller, not the DIMM, so as long as you bought 2x512MB it will work.
 
Originally posted by: live2game
Originally posted by: jterrell
939 offers the only nforce4 chipsets which allow pci-express, sata 2, ncq and other new features.
only 939 offers .90 chips which run cooler.
939 chips will run fx chips through fx-61 while 754 stops running procs at 3700+ and will run the new duron line after that.
and none of that is speculation as edward knows because I have linked the amd roadmaps for him in the past.

no one with s939 system will advise you to go 754 and many with 754 systems will tell you to go 939.
edward qualifies as a s754 fanboy with his refusal to recognize the valid points presented him by many on this subject.

a lower end s939 system with nforce 4 can be had by purchasing a 133 dollar gigabyte board or 129 dollar chaintech board and a 155 dollar 939 3000+ processor.
The pci-express video cards are actually cheaper. You can get 6600 GTs for about 160 in pci-express whereas they are 40 bucks more on agp.
you'll probably be buying dual channel kits for either board yet only get dual channel performance on 939.

the ONLY 754 mobo I have ever heard of is coming from ECS and is not yet available. if it was out it might be a good choice but I would be concerned about the chip line ending at 3700+.
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:thumbsup: He is right

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Actually he's wrong, there are socket 939 solutions that dont require PCIE like Nforce 3 and the Via K8T800, they're agp chipsets
 
I assumed there were agp 939 mobo's but I should have asked.

I recently purchased a eVga 6800GT that is agp and there is no way I am throwing that kind of money down the drain over a mobo. LOL
 
i got my 3000+ socket 754 for $110 shipped 🙂 it has a marketshare thats why they are still making them and selling them 😛 the 939 is the way to go though if you got the $$$, if not then get the 754, its cheap because they are being ousted. the 754 is an AMD enigma, i hope they push it further than we're predicting 🙂 i'd like to see a 4000+
 
Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan
I assumed there were agp 939 mobo's but I should have asked.

I recently purchased a eVga 6800GT that is agp and there is no way I am throwing that kind of money down the drain over a mobo. LOL
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For a good 939 AGP motherboard, consider the Epox EP-9NDA3+ or MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. These boards are known good overclockers, and either board will be well-complemented with a Winchester 3000+ or 3200+ (2.6-2.7 is typical on air cooling).
 
I have reservations about MSI only because they usualy have a fan cooling the chipset. I would prefer a heatsink to cut down on the noise.

 
The Soltek K8T939 board is also a fantastic board for the price.

If the deal goes through for my current hardware, I'll be getting either a Soltek K8T939 or the MSI Neo2 cause I can get a good deal on that one too. The Soltek gets great reviews from what I've read.. as does the MSI (Except the MSI name scares me a little lately)
 
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