Socket 478 P4's reached end of road at 3.4G ?

[archy121]

Hello,

I have recently managed to get hold of a used Abit IC7-Max3 from a mate after he did an upgrade. Initially i was very excited to get hold of this top end motherboard but not so after finding out that the highest CPU i can presently get for it is P4 3.4G. Looks like this top motherboard is going to have a rather short life span compared to my old budget one.

My present Abit motherboard (845chipset) is presently happily running a P4 3G at 3.46G (probably higher if i move to PC3200 from PC2700) and i had it for almost threee happy years.

Bloody annoying to see Intel pushing / Bullying consumers to move along to new socket just to maintain there upward spiraling circle of profits !

-Can anyone please confirm 100% that there wil be no more socket 478's running higher tha 3.4G ?

-Anyone aware of devices/adapters in the pipeline to allow socket 775 CPU to fit on 478 ?

Also what is a 3.4G 30 cap socket 478 cpu ?? What spec numbers are they identified with ?

 

[AristoV300]

Yes 3.4Ghz is the highest speed that will be released for the 478. No they don't have adapter s to my knowledge. Only thing close is 865 chipset for the LGA775 so you can still use AGP and DDR1.

 

[TerryMathews]

Even if there were an adapter made to convert LGA775 to mPGA478, the odds of a processor > 3.4GHz working with it are slim considering the increased resistance and trace length.

Personally, I can't see Cel-Ds crossing the 3.4GHz barrier, but you never know. At any rate, a 3.4GHz Northwood is roughly a 3.7GHz Prescott so your still comparable on 478-based systems. Personally, I wouldn't sweat it. You'll want to change over for peripheral-based reasons (PCIe) before you'll need to because of processor speed.

 

[THUGSROOK]

you should be more interested in upgrading your moboard then your chip ATM

 

[andy nowotny]

but it seems LGA775 also cannot get much higher than 3.8G

 

[archy121]

Thanks fore replies...

I dont feel its worth upgrading at the moment. For one present socket 775 motherboards will require replacement as they will not handle dual core Pentiums. All people who have already moved to 775 MB are shafted on this one as no dual core compatiabilty for them.. all change again...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21793

Secondly socket 775 PCs have not shown major preformance improvements over similarly matched socket 478 PC's. I dont feel like bining my £250 AGP GFX card just to say i have the latest PCiX GFX card that performs no better..

Where are the real visible benifits right now of upgrading to socket 775?

Intel is screwing the consumer as always.. creating new markets for themselves to ensure consumers are forced to spend money


One more question that someone might be able to help me out with.. If Northwood 3.4G is that well compareable to prescott 3.7G How does overclocked 3.4G Pentium EE hold up against Northwood 3.4G overclocked ?
Is it really worth spending the extra on a 3.4G EE over a 3.4G Northwood ??

 

[imported_Hi]

no they are getting ready to kill of all socket 478 procs in favor on LGA775
no their are no adapters since the pins are diifrenet as in on LGA the pins are on the MB and socket 478 has pins on the cpu

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: archy121

One more question that someone might be able to help me out with.. If Northwood 3.4G is that well compareable to prescott 3.7G How does overclocked 3.4G Pentium EE hold up against Northwood 3.4G overclocked ?
Is it really worth spending the extra on a 3.4G EE over a 3.4G Northwood ??

Prescott 3.7ghz is faster than Northwood 3.4ghz because prescott overcomes its longer pipelines at around 3.6ghz and becomes just as fast as northwood. 3.4EE is faster tha 3.4 Northwood or Presctoff due to enlarged L2 cache. But its costs like $850. It isnt worth it for you to upgrade to any cpu right now, be it AMD or Intel. Get a new videocard if you have the itch.

 

[carlosd]

478 is DEAD., but anyway the 775 fastest CPU is 3.8Ghz and will be no higher clocked CPUs for LGA775. Besides if want intel dualcores you'll need to change the motherboard anyway.

 

[cjacobs2]

There is an Asus socket 479 to 478 converter that will allow the use of Pentium M chips of socket 478 boards. The Dothan core should do quite well when coupled with an 865/875 series chipset due to the increased (over 855 mobile) memory and graphics bandwidth.

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMDUy

In benchmarks using a mildly overclocked dothan on an 855 based desktop board , it performed close to the Athlon 64 FX. It may pull even with the better 865 chipset. I have no intention on tossing my Abit IS7 yet; I'm giving it to my younger brother to hopefully upgrade when he gets the cash.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dothangaming&page=1

 

[TerryMathews]

Wow. I never would have guessed that the 865/875 architecture would work with the Pentium-M. That's going to be one hell of an upgrade path, not to mention that Pentium-M hot rods are going to be much cheaper to build now considering the glut of great, cheap i875 mobos dumped off by people upgrading to LGA775. Abit IC7-Max3 is a great platform to build on.

 

[nitromullet]

One more question that someone might be able to help me out with.. If Northwood 3.4G is that well compareable to prescott 3.7G How does overclocked 3.4G Pentium EE hold up against Northwood 3.4G overclocked ?
Is it really worth spending the extra on a 3.4G EE over a 3.4G Northwood ??

No, it's not worth it. Something to consider about the 3.4 GHz Northwoods is that they might not overlcock as well as slower Northwoods, since they are at the hgher end of their potential. For instance, my old 2.6GHz Northwood would reach 3.4 (didn't push it any higher), but my 3.4GHz will only make it to 3.75. In retrospect, the 3.4 wasn't much of an "upgade".

 

[archy121]

Great feedback ! Thanks a lot ! !

Keep it up !