:disgust: Because everyone who is gay doesn't believe in god, and everyone who doesn't believe in god is gay, right?
The fact that he's gay has nothing to do with his argument.
Freedom of Humans to make their own choices is one of the principle beliefs of Christianity. How can you say freedom of religion is not a Christian belief? First off, the founders were talking about Puritans vs. Protestant vs. Catholic, not Christian vs. Non-Christian. Secondly, just because you think all Evangelicals try to convert you and say you will go to hell if you do not believe in Jesus you will go to Hell, doesn't mean they are right. Nowhere in the Bible does it say if you do not believe in JC that you will go to hell. Only those who believe in Him and ask for forgiveness will have their sins absolved (hence going to paradise clean, and when Man is judged will enter the Kingdom of Heaven).
I think you atheists are very ignorant in Christianity. I was once agnostic, and maybe even atheist for a period of time, always playing devil's advocate asking controversial questions during Sunday school taught by idiots who could not adequately answer them. Try studying the religion academically so that you have an understanding of Christian philosophy before you blab inaccuracies such as "freedom of religion are directly in opposition to Christian beliefs."
sandorski
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Which brings up a point: Religion is fine, it's the Religious who are the problem. Religion is merely a basis of Beliefs, but once the Religious get through with it there's scarcely anything left of the Religion. People tend to use Religion as a way of Self-Justification, part of that process is to tear down Others in order to Build Themselves up. In time their Self-Delusion extends to the length of "God being on their side", but they miss the poignant point of all Religions:It's not God being on your side that's important, it's that You be on God's side!
Your first point, where do you glean that bit of understanding? I'd like a clear citation to the founder and the work from which it was quoted.
Third point, I am an ex-Christian, and I'm not athiest. I did study Christianity academically for five+ years as a teenager and college student. I'm not ignorant of Christianity, but I am rusty on the specifics, and I couldn't care less.
Compelling heathens to join the faith is a core tenet of Christianity.
By the way, In the Bible it never says that denying Jesus Christ is unforgivable and will lead to damnation, but in Mark 3:29 it does say "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation." So woe unto him who ever denies the Holy Spirit in any way, shape or form, because he's going to Hell no matter what.
Fenixgoon
Lifer
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also read the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...... that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
while it doesn't necessarily refer to any specific religion, it refers to some existence of a higher power
The same can be said for those who just don't have any morals or ethics at all -those who do whatever they want because it feels good or because they simply want to.
Religion doesn't cause any of those things.
The carnal nature of man is inherently evil.
religion provides a compass for sooo many people that it far outweighs the negatives. many people simply get up and do something with their lives because of religion.
faith requires the follower to take a bit of risk. there is risk in believing in any faith
faith requires the follower to take a bit of risk. there is risk in believing in any faith
meltdown75
Lifer
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DivideBYZero
Lifer
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moshquerade
No Lifer
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the study used in that article was written by an atheist who wrote a book saying worship of God will soon be replaced in society by worship of Sci-Tech.
take ALL that for what it's worth. : /
take ALL that for what it's worth. : /
A religious person can act both good or bad
A non religious person can act both good or bad
The realisation being that religion does not matter. It is a filler variable. The problem is when bad people utilize religion as an excuse to take away other peoples rights. Since religion is a filler variable (I uh... made that term up myself...), you can simply remove it without any major effect and you would be running more efficiently. Thus you come to the conclusion that society is better off without publicly embracing religion and leaving it as a personal choice similar to whether or not you read a book by a great author or whether you watch the next spiderman movie.
But since my athiest ass doesn't run anything, I just sit back because the reality is, you can argue semantics all day, but religion matters very little in life as it currently is. I suppose that has more to do with location though, as some other states could probably change my opinion on that.
A non religious person can act both good or bad
The realisation being that religion does not matter. It is a filler variable. The problem is when bad people utilize religion as an excuse to take away other peoples rights. Since religion is a filler variable (I uh... made that term up myself...), you can simply remove it without any major effect and you would be running more efficiently. Thus you come to the conclusion that society is better off without publicly embracing religion and leaving it as a personal choice similar to whether or not you read a book by a great author or whether you watch the next spiderman movie.
But since my athiest ass doesn't run anything, I just sit back because the reality is, you can argue semantics all day, but religion matters very little in life as it currently is. I suppose that has more to do with location though, as some other states could probably change my opinion on that.
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