Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'

[themroc27]

September 27, 2005

The Times

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.

According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.

The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society....

Full article

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: themroc27
September 27, 2005

The Times

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.

According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.

The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society....

Full article

Too bad religion only provides a false foundation for morals and ethics. People don't like to think hard, and analyze their own actions to understand why they believe what they believe - it's easier to say the pie in the sky is the reason and not think about it.

 

[Kalbi]

That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: themroc27
September 27, 2005

The Times

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.

According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.

The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society....

Full article

Too bad religion only provides a false foundation for morals and ethics. People don't like to think hard, and analyze their own actions to understand why they believe what they believe - it's easier to say the pie in the sky is the reason and not think about it.

Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

 

[BigJ]

Oh boy...

How prevalent religion is is just one of numerous differences b/w the USA and countries listed in that article. To contribute all statistical differences solely to religion is just assinine.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: themroc27
September 27, 2005

The Times

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.

According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.

The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society....

Full article

Too bad religion only provides a false foundation for morals and ethics. People don't like to think hard, and analyze their own actions to understand why they believe what they believe - it's easier to say the pie in the sky is the reason and not think about it.

Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

And that has any relevance to this discussion because?......How about taking a general ethics course if you really want to have a stable foundation for your beliefs.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

Us consititution is based on the general principles of fairness or liberty, neither of which span from any religion. Try looking up some classical philosophy, it's probably gonna blow your mind... ( and yes greeks did invent the basic foundations of democracy and anal sex ...)

 

[desteffy]

I smell...

P&N

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

You're right. He has a much better reason to put down people who believe in God.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

You're right. He has a much better reason to put down people who believe in God.

Ah yes, because all people who believe in God think homsexuals are da debbuhl!

 

[ironcrotch]

Yay for another qualtiy NY Times article!

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

You're right. He has a much better reason to put down people who believe in God.

Ah yes, because all people who believe in God think homsexuals are da debbuhl!

??? Not what I was implying at all.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Yay for another qualtiy NY Times article!

Where?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
Just bc you are g4y you don't have to put down people who believe in God.

You're right. He has a much better reason to put down people who believe in God.

Ah yes, because all people who believe in God think homsexuals are da debbuhl!

??? Not what I was implying at all.

If it's not, then I apologize.

 

[imported_Snagle]

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

 

[meltdown75]

eek. skimmed through that quickly.

i will concede that religion has and will continue to fsck up society. however, it is only when the followers allow their beliefs to guide them into wrongdoing and disrespect of other religions. i like the idea of a standard set of rules for life, which to me is what is basically presented through the various religions of the world. but today we have zealots and obviously extreme hardline proponents of many religions that completely defeat what must have be viewed as the purpose of their religions in the first place.

it's really hard to throw one's self completely into religion with all the negative things happening in this day and age. but i believe that only a fool would discount all of the knowledge and wisdom that is inherent in the ancient religions of our planet. obviously there will always be two extremes in terms of followers of religion. i don't know. with what's happening with Muslim extremists these days, this article seems pretty opportune and almost a foregone conclusion.

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

This country was founded by men who believed in a philosophy that determined there existed good as well as evil.

The basis of Liberty, equality of men, God-given human rights...try reading writings of the founders of the Constitution...

 

[RiDE]

/this should be fun

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

Us consititution is based on the general principles of fairness or liberty, neither of which span from any religion. Try looking up some classical philosophy, it's probably gonna blow your mind... ( and yes greeks did invent the basic foundations of democracy and anal sex ...)

Religion and Morality form the basis of Liberty.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible" George Washington

I guess by today's standards, the founders of this country were Right Wing Religious Nuts.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

This country was founded by men who believed in a philosophy that determined there existed good as well as evil.

The basis of Liberty, equality of men, God-given human rights...try reading writings of the founders of the Constitution...

But the Judeo-Christian tradition says little about equality of men, and in fact reinforces privileged class and ethnic backgrounds.

 

[Eli]

Anything can be justified when you have God on your side.

 

[Sheepathon]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

This country was founded by men who believed in a philosophy that determined there existed good as well as evil.

The basis of Liberty, equality of men, God-given human rights...try reading writings of the founders of the Constitution...

Believing in good and evil doesn't mean you have to follow organized religion. And regarding "God-given" human rights...well, that necessitates the existence of God, which as of today, isn't exactly proven.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Kalbi
That is why the US, based on the Constitution, which is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, provides the most freedom and prosperity in the world...

How is the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

This country was founded by men who believed in a philosophy that determined there existed good as well as evil.

The basis of Liberty, equality of men, God-given human rights...try reading writings of the founders of the Constitution...

None of the rights granted in the Constitution are specific to Christianity. In fact, some (such as freedom of religion) are directly in opposition to Christian beliefs.