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Socialists don't understand the Not Guilty verdict in the Casey Anthony case

Anarchist420

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The Case of Socialized Justice Against Casey: Understanding the Not Guilty Verdict
"I was pleasantly surprised with mixed emotions on the not guilty jury verdict for murder and all lessor charges but guilty for lying to a police officer. First I will say the four charges of lying to a police officer are... well... let me just say when police officers in the United States Citizen Farm start going to jail for lying in affidavits then going to jail for lying to a police officer would at least be equitable. That is a very generous compromising statement because obviously there is nothing criminal about lying. Where is the crime when no property damaged or no person is injured? At best, lying or fraud are in the realm of so called civil sanctions which would be actions deemed to warrant a monetary remedy. In Libertopia, without socialized justice coerced by the state, so called civil actions might involve a persons reputation via contractual remedies, reputation reporting, risk assessments for insurance purposes, or discrimination in a free market.
Long before the trial started I felt Casey had already been found guilty in the media. Public opinion seemed to be heavily against any concept of innocence primarily due to lying. I fully expected Casey to end up with a long jail sentence. Jurors have to come from somewhere. If everyone believes violence should be used against dirty, brown, Mexican, illegal human beings because they are raping, pillaging, and plundering American jobs, women, or welfare should a brown person expect a fair trial for crossing imaginary borders not created by God while traveling on God's green earth? I did not consider it reasonable to believe there were many people in Florida who have not heard something about Casey from friends or media in the three years leading up to the trial.
During the trial I did not feel the state was able to provide evidence for the five basic questions involving murder. Who, what, when, where, and why. The state presented a theory and a bunch of coincidental circumstances to fit their theory. Clearly, the most controversial aspects of the trial are findings of not guilty for murder and all lessor charges. Media polls were running about 80/20 for a finding of guilt leading up to jury deliberation. I was shocked at the decision. I was overcome with a short episode of optimism there may yet be hope in Amerika for liberty.
That optimism was quickly replaced with a dose of reality. Let's not forget how socialized justice works. That is the system we have in the United States, socialized justice, redistributing wealth from some to others. The bean counters figured out a long time ago trials are expensive. The justice illusion would quickly come to an end if all accused persons demanded trials. People might start to question why they are paying higher taxes for trials involving someone who simply smoked a joint. People might start questioning why they are being taxed to pay for other trials that do not involve personal injury or property damage. The question that must be asked is how does the system avoid a lot of jury trials maintaining such a high percentage of plea deals? People are overbooked and overcharged. The reason is leverage. If you are charged and booked with absurd charges the state is in a better negotiating position to negotiate down to realistic charges in a plea deal. If people were accurately charged the bean counters have figured out more people would demand trials. The statist mathematics mitigating risk of trials.
So called experts who are aware people get convicted all the time on circumstantial evidence were surprised by the outcome of this case. What the experts did not account for is that when you have a case that rises to the level of OJ, jurors might actually pay attention at trial. In high profile cases jurors might actually take a few extra moments to consider whether the state has proven it's case beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. In high profile cases there is a lot of peer or society pressure on jurors to get it right that isn't present in a run of the mill murder trial.
After the verdict, the state prosecutor announced in a media interview there are one hundred to one hundred and fifty thousand other cases pending prosecution. If a run of the mill jury trial costs thirty thousand dollars, Florida taxpayers can expect to spend almost four billion dollars if every person charged demanded a jury trial. However, at the current jury trial rate of less than five percent Florida taxpayers should expect to spend less than two hundred million.
There are no losers. How great of a sales pitch is that? The system is happy because spending a few million on one trial is still cheaper than fifty to ninety percent of accused persons demanding jury trials. The defendant is happy with the verdict. Attorneys, judges, police officers, etc are all happily cashing weekly paychecks. Citizens are happy they will not get a tax increase.
The reason experts are baffled is because cases like OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony are Neo's of the Socialized Injustice Matrix. They are anomalies of human choice that demand the system actually prove trumped up charges lacking evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of plugged in piers. While the odds may be greatly against the accused, once in a while even plugged in jurors can produce an expert contradicting result when natural market forces such as peer pressure are at work. One can only marvel at how effective the Justice Matrix is at persuading people to believe in socialism and the illusion of justice. It probably did not help the prosecution selecting a jury from one of the larger Ron Paul markets in Florida... but that is a discussion or analysis for a different article."
This is another way of looking at the not guilty verdict and it's a good one in my opinion. We need to get out of the democratic-socialist mindset, even when it comes to justice.

Why do so many people think they know all the evidence presented anyway? A lot of that stuff is confidential.

All most people know is what they've been told by the msm which obviously had an agenda against her. Fortunately, the MSM failed in what I believe was their hoaxic smear campaign.

Myself, I think she was innocent and the media was just trying to get her ass busted. After all, it's strong-willed totally-irrational Ann Coulter leading the case against her by calling the jurors Democrats. Give me a fucking break here.
 
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court of public opinion = socialism?

do you even understand the words that you use
 
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Myself, I think she was innocent and the media was just trying to get her ass busted. After all, it's strong-willed totally-irrational Ann Coulter leading the case against her by calling the jurors Democrats. Give me a fucking break here.
Idiocy.

Even the members of the jury thought she did it. They just didn't feel they had enough evidence to convict.

The reason most of the legal types thought the jury was wrong is due to two reasons:
1. Most of them are former DAs thus they are going to side with the DAs out of habit.
2. They felt that the burden of proof that the jury wanted was higher than the law calls for.

Think of it this way:
You hear a loud bang in the living room. You run into the room to find the TV smashed on the floor and your child standing next to it proclaimed that they didn't do it.

Most parents convict the child and sentence them to time out.

This jury claims that the evidence against the child is circumstantial, we don't know how the TV fell, we don't have a motive for why the child would break the TV (the child loves TV why would they hurt it?) and we don't even know if the child was in the room at the time. Therefore we are going to let the child go.
 
Idiocy.

Even the members of the jury thought she did it. They just didn't feel they had enough evidence to convict.

The reason most of the legal types thought the jury was wrong is due to two reasons:
1. Most of them are former DAs thus they are going to side with the DAs out of habit.
2. They felt that the burden of proof that the jury wanted was higher than the law calls for.

Think of it this way:
You hear a loud bang in the living room. You run into the room to find the TV smashed on the floor and your child standing next to it proclaimed that they didn't do it.

Most parents convict the child and sentence them to time out.

This jury claims that the evidence against the child is circumstantial, we don't know how the TV fell, we don't have a motive for why the child would break the TV (the child loves TV why would they hurt it?) and we don't even know if the child was in the room at the time. Therefore we are going to let the child go.

Definitely. Nothing says open and shut case like:

1. Her asking her neighbor for a shovel, then not planting anything. Supposedly the shovel was used for her to bury the body, but, of course, the shovel would contain no evidence of the sediment from the area where the body was located.
2. A sticker put over her mouth and Casey Anthony having the remaining sticker page at her house. We all know kids don't take stickers around with them, never have them on anything in their possession, and that the plastic-esque (ie: not flat) stickers easily stick to everything and cannot be easily removed and placed on other surfaces.
3. Her taking gas cans from her dad, then opening her trunk in his presence to give him back the gas cans and not having the smell of a dead body woft in his direction, because the smell of a dead body in a trunk will only materialize at a much later time than the time the dead body was in it... like the time at which it started to "smell like a dead body."
4. She had a duffel bag in her house, but it didn't contain any trace elements of anything related to the crime. We all known duffel bags without any trace elements of a crime clearly indicates that they were used to commit a crime; everyone knows that's what duffel bags are for.
5. No trace elements of a body ever having been in her trunk, despite it "smelling like it." Obviously, this is a clear indicator of guilt because sense of smell is a far better determiner of guilt than any form of fluids, hair, skin cells, or any other form of DNA or identifying substance.

I think that society would be far better off if we let these hard facts be the standard of evidence for our legal system. Just think of all the unsolved crimes we could put an end to if we shifted our burden of proof up to these obviously superior standards.
 
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1. Shovel doesn't prove or disprove anything. Maybe she wanted to bury the body, maybe she wanted to plant some flowers. In the end she did neither.
2. The stickers weren't allowed as evidence.
3. Anthony said that when he went to get them out of his daughter's car, she bristled, brushed past him, quickly opened the trunk and retrieved the gas cans, throwing them down and telling him, "Here's your f---ing gas cans."-- doesn't prove anything.
4. Because a duffel bag in the house without a body in it proves that she didn't kill someone?
5. There WAS hair in the trunk that came from a dead body.
 
Because Republicans don't believe in Innocent until proven guilty.

Yet you still draw breath. SuperObama rescue you?


Regarding the OP, that's about as bad a commentary as you've made. The state pushed for charges that it could not convince a jury was true. First degree murder means that it was planned in advance. The burden of demonstrating "reasonable doubt" is therefore much harder to do and rightfully so.

There were jurors who commented that they hated to see her go free because they knew she was responsible for the deaths, but proving the charges made? On those they could not find her guilty.

This isn't "socialism", which has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and besides I remember you saying that you wished that judges didn't follow the Constitution, which was the only thing which prevented someone you think of being innocent of being lynched. You can't have it both ways.
 
Yet you still draw breath. SuperObama rescue you?


Regarding the OP, that's about as bad a commentary as you've made. The state pushed for charges that it could not convince a jury was true. First degree murder means that it was planned in advance. The burden of demonstrating "reasonable doubt" is therefore much harder to do and rightfully so.

There were jurors who commented that they hated to see her go free because they knew she was responsible for the deaths, but proving the charges made? On those they could not find her guilty.

This isn't "socialism", which has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and besides I remember you saying that you wished that judges didn't follow the Constitution, which was the only thing which prevented someone you think of being innocent of being lynched. You can't have it both ways.

I can understand the argument that the prosecution did not meat its burden on first degree murder, but they also acquitted on manslaughter. IMO there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict her on manslaughter.
 
1. Shovel doesn't prove or disprove anything. Maybe she wanted to bury the body, maybe she wanted to plant some flowers. In the end she did neither.
2. The stickers weren't allowed as evidence.
3. Anthony said that when he went to get them out of his daughter's car, she bristled, brushed past him, quickly opened the trunk and retrieved the gas cans, throwing them down and telling him, "Here's your f---ing gas cans."-- doesn't prove anything.
4. Because a duffel bag in the house without a body in it proves that she didn't kill someone?
5. There WAS hair in the trunk that came from a dead body.

1. No shit, maybe you missed the entire point.
2. The last I read they were, but if they were disallowed, then the reason is because they prove nothing. I'm pretty sure the prosecutors were at least allowed to present this baseless "evidence" to the jury, though.
3. So, this substantial piece of evidence that's used as "proof" she committed the crime makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
4. Good to see you understand my point that mere ownership of a duffel bag neither proves nor disproves anything at all.
5. There was a stand of hair in the trunk that came from someone, but there was not DNA available on it to prove who it belonged to. Not to mention "root banding" coming only from a "decomposing body" is a presumption; it's an "accepted practice," but unproven. Also, it wasn't even necessarily "root banding;" all that could be said was that it was "consistent with root banding from a decomposing body." So, basically there was a hair that may or may not have exhibited root banding and may or may not have come from a decomposing body that may or may not have been Caylee Anthony. In other words, the evidence was a generic strand of hair.

I think you'd seriously be changing your tune if you were charged with murder based on such physical evidence.
 
This is another way of looking at the not guilty verdict and it's a good one in my opinion. We need to get out of the democratic-socialist mindset, even when it comes to justice.

Why do so many people think they know all the evidence presented anyway? A lot of that stuff is confidential.

All most people know is what they've been told by the msm which obviously had an agenda against her. Fortunately, the MSM failed in what I believe was their hoaxic smear campaign.

Myself, I think she was innocent and the media was just trying to get her ass busted. After all, it's strong-willed totally-irrational Ann Coulter leading the case against her by calling the jurors Democrats. Give me a fucking break here.
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I think you'd seriously be changing your tune if you were charged with murder based on such physical evidence.
There is a TON of other evidence in this case.

This isn't CSI where there is always a picture of the murder taking place. The circumstantial evidence in this case is overwhelming.

There are a lot of people who agree with the jury's verdict, but I have to meet anyone who actually believes that she is innocent.

Would you be the first?
 
There is a TON of other evidence in this case.

This isn't CSI where there is always a picture of the murder taking place. The circumstantial evidence in this case is overwhelming.

There are a lot of people who agree with the jury's verdict, but I have to meet anyone who actually believes that she is innocent.

Would you be the first?

That's probably because I actually presume people are innocent unless they can be proven guilty. So, I guess I am the first if you and everyone you met presume guilt, even when faced with the inability to prove it.
 
Anarchist didn't mention his source for the 'commentary' for some reason. It's The 'Mises Institute', an 'Austrian economics' advocacy group.

https://mises.org/Community/forums/t/25432.aspx

Of course, it's absurd commentary. But it suggests how much credibility they have on economics.

He discredits himself with, "We need to get out of the democratic-socialist mindset".

I'm not sure, but didn't cable tv put the entire trial on? I recall they had hours and days shown of the testimony of chemical experts and such.

If so, whatever the flaws of the media, it's not about 'secret facts'.
 
That's probably because I actually presume people are innocent unless they can be proven guilty. So, I guess I am the first if you and everyone you met presume guilt, even when faced with the inability to prove it.
Prove guilty and proven guilty in a court of law are very different things.

Straight up, do you think Casey killed her daughter or not? Yes or no?
 
OP = wall of text, bolded for eye pain, source not cited. 3 strikes of failure.

Because Republicans don't believe in Innocent until proven guilty.

One question - do you ever bother using real information, or do you just blather whatever baseless hate comes to mind?
 
Prove guilty and proven guilty in a court of law are very different things.

Straight up, do you think Casey killed her daughter or not? Yes or no?

Why would I think she did? There is no evidence whatsoever to support that she killed her daughter. Yes, there is a difference between "prove guilty" and "proven guilty in a court of law," but there is no difference between either of those and "being able to prove at all." This wasn't a case of there being substantial proof that she murdered her daughter, the judge being unfair, prosecutorial misconduct, police ineptitude, faulty lab work, evidence not following the chain of command, her getting off on a technicality, or some other instance where evidence proved she did it and it simply wasn't reflected in the verdict. This was a case of there not being substantial proof, or, really, any beyond speculation, at any point in time.

I'm not sure how you could get the impression from my previous posts that there was even a question of whether or not I thought she did it. After a thorough investigation, there is no concrete evidence that she did it, therefore there is no reason to believe she did.

Circumstances would be different if, for example, they found blood in her car, or soil from the area the body was found on the shovel she borrowed (and her neighbor was ruled out, of course), but that simply isn't the case. The case is: the lady borrowed a shovel that she never used, she owns a dufflebag, she took her dad's gas cans, a strand of hair from a person that may or may not have been dead was in her trunk, a commonly-sold sticker was found on the body, people think her car smells like a dead body, and she provided incorrect information to the police intentionally or unintentionally for unknown reasons.

I think that you should reveal your obvious bias against someone actually being innocent of something they are accused of prior to serving on any jury.
 
So if Casey didn't kill her then who did?

The little girl didn't wrap tape around her head three times and wander into the woods on her own.

Someone killed that little girl and there has never been any evidence offered that it was anyone other than her mom.

Her daughter was missing for 31 days and she told NO ONE??

Casey was the last person to be seen with her.
Casey lied to her mom about the girl.
Casey didn't tell anyone her daughter was missing or dead.
For 31 days Casey partied like an animal.
Two days after her child went 'missing' she borrows a shovel, but returns it two hours later.
Then when confronted by the police, who were called by her parents, she claimed her daughter had been missing for 31 days. Which lines up with the last day she was seen by the grandparents or anyone else.
Casey lied to police about her 'took' her daughter.
Casey lied to police about the job she hadn't had for 2 years.

Every little detail in the case points to the mom. There is NOTHING to suggest that anyone else could have done it.

Just because the jury said 'not guilty' it does not mean that she was innocent. Even the members of the jury felt she did it.
 
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None of that proves she killed her. They never were able to determine a cause of death which is sort of important when determining something like that.

Accidental death seems most likely given everything you mentioned when coupled with the absolute lack of any evidence of murder.
 
So if Casey didn't kill her then who did?

The little girl didn't wrap tape around her head three times and wander into the woods on her own.

Someone killed that little girl and there has never been any evidence offered that it was anyone other than her mom.

Her daughter was missing for 31 days and she told NO ONE??

Casey was the last person to be seen with her.
Casey lied to her mom about the girl.
Casey didn't tell anyone her daughter was missing or dead.
For 31 days Casey partied like an animal.
Two days after her child went 'missing' she borrows a shovel, but returns it two hours later.
Then when confronted by the police, who were called by her parents, she claimed her daughter had been missing for 31 days. Which lines up with the last day she was seen by the grandparents or anyone else.
Casey lied to police about her 'took' her daughter.
Casey lied to police about the job she hadn't had for 2 years.

Every little detail in the case points to the mom. There is NOTHING to suggest that anyone else could have done it.

Just because the jury said 'not guilty' it does not mean that she was innocent. Even the members of the jury felt she did it.

Just be sure to do what I say in the last sentence of my previous post when the time comes.
 
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