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Fox5

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
I'd say we are more in danger of becoming a 2nd world nation. Like England after WW2 when it kind of just faded into the background in terms of world super powers. England itself is a modern place to live and all but economically and militarily it is not as relevant as it was pre-WW2.

England has still had some very significant impact on the world in the last 60 years. England is also substantially smaller than the US.

But the age of superpowers is probably over in general.
 
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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I don't understand why anyone cares what Pat Buchanan has to say, though I appreciate his efforts at marginalizing republicans

I'm not a particularly large fan of his and I'm definitely not a Republican, but I think he has some interesting insights sometimes even though I tend to disagree with him on many issues.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The aim of Chicken Littles is the illusion of self importance genereated by attention.

Alternatively, it's possible that the OP just thought it was a fun op-ed and wanted to bring it to the attention of other P&N readers.
 
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Originally posted by: Drift3r
I'd say we are more in danger of becoming a 2nd world nation. Like England after WW2 when it kind of just faded into the background in terms of world super powers. England itself is a modern place to live and all but economically and militarily it is not as relevant as it was pre-WW2.

My guess is that when the dust settles, the U.S. will be in significantly worse shape than the U.K.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The aim of Chicken Littles is the illusion of self importance genereated by attention.

Alternatively, it's possible that the OP just thought it was a fun op-ed and wanted to bring it to the attention of other P&N readers.

Looking back to see whatever it is that could have caused you to assume I was referring to you rather than Buchanan, I guess you did sort of imply it was you who were first up with this opinion, but it's him and not you, as far as I know, that's getting anything approaching real attention. Nobody pays any attention to P & N, but Buchanan is nationally known. So the only thing I can think of to call you would be Chicken Tiny.
 

gingermeggs

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: spittledip
The problem is NOT socialism or big Govt. the problem is corrupt politicians who are working to fill their own pockets with money and grab up power. the problem is never the governmental system. the problem is always the leaders and the population. Governmental systems are amoral institutions. They all ahve flaws. some amy be better than others, but any system can run succesfully if the right people are in power. If you have corrupt politicians and big companies running a country, of course the system will break down. Any historical example of a bad governmental system can usually be traced down to the leaders running the show.
But a good system will stymie the filth of humanity while maximizing its strengths. I think the US system could definitely do with some alterations, as could any country's system. This one needs way less lobbying, for example. If that isn't vote buying I don't know what is.

But if a good system is run by corrupt morons, you will still have the same problems. If you put people who have some measure of integrity in charge, they will run the system how it is supposed to run. If you put scoundrels in charge, they will run the system how ever they want to. The problem always has been and always will be people.

A system which allows 'corrupt morons' to rule cannot be considered "good".
 

BarrySotero

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love anybody who says they agree with Buchanan. If anything it just proves we are becoming a 3rd world country when it comes to mental illnesses.

You have it exactly backwards - which explains why people voted for Obama when he was obviously a radical whose heart beats in synch with Rev Wright. Now he wages a war on prosperity, and seeks to dismantle the structure of economy right in front of peoples faces. Obama resembles a banana leader like his buddy Chavez. The celebrity election that was all form and no substance was our first banana republic election. Obama spun fairy tales - and since too many people love lies more than truth they bit. Many are now sorry and independents are fleeing Obama.

Of course it was natural these things happen since we have a degenerated populace that lives in a psychotic haze where the charade of global warming is real, where boys should marry each other, and where our enemies only attack because we defend ourselves.

Dick Morris is also correct about a looming "catastrophe" if people dont wake up and stop collapsing into a banana republic with barely a whimper. Fifty years of liberal education and media have people thinking up is really down and vice versa. Obama is an enemy to American security and prosperity. The awake people saw it before the election.
 

gingermeggs

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love anybody who says they agree with Buchanan. If anything it just proves we are becoming a 3rd world country when it comes to mental illnesses.

You have it exactly backwards - which explains why people voted for Obama when he was obviously a radical whose heart beats in synch with Rev Wright. Now he wages a war on prosperity, and seeks to dismantle the structure of economy right in front of peoples faces. Obama resembles a banana leader like his buddy Chavez. The celebrity election that was all form and no substance was our first banana republic election. Obama spun fairy tales - and since too many people love lies more than truth they bit. Many are now sorry and independents are fleeing Obama.

Of course it was natural these things happen since we have a <<degenerated<< populace that lives in a psychotic haze where the charade of global warming is real, where <<boys<< should marry each other, and where our enemies only attack because we defend ourselves.

<<Dick<< Morris is also correct about a looming "catastrophe" if people dont wake up and stop collapsing into a banana republic with barely a whimper. Fifty years of liberal education and media have people thinking up is really down and vice versa. Obama is an enemy to American security and prosperity. The <<awake<< people saw it before the election.

I wonder what moonbeam would make of this man's self hating?
Is he a closet homosectual?
Or does he just like dick?
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: spittledip
The problem is NOT socialism or big Govt. the problem is corrupt politicians who are working to fill their own pockets with money and grab up power. the problem is never the governmental system. the problem is always the leaders and the population. Governmental systems are amoral institutions. They all ahve flaws. some amy be better than others, but any system can run succesfully if the right people are in power. If you have corrupt politicians and big companies running a country, of course the system will break down. Any historical example of a bad governmental system can usually be traced down to the leaders running the show.
But a good system will stymie the filth of humanity while maximizing its strengths. I think the US system could definitely do with some alterations, as could any country's system. This one needs way less lobbying, for example. If that isn't vote buying I don't know what is.

But if a good system is run by corrupt morons, you will still have the same problems. If you put people who have some measure of integrity in charge, they will run the system how it is supposed to run. If you put scoundrels in charge, they will run the system how ever they want to. The problem always has been and always will be people.

A system which allows 'corrupt morons' to rule cannot be considered "good".

I guess we have a bad system then.

edit: of course you entirely miss the point and concept. The system has no control at all. All systems are limited by the people running them.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
No doubt wishful thinking gingersmeggs

Has anyone in real life ever asked your opinion more than once?

Just curious, since I can't imagine you actually express your views to the general public outside of the internet.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love anybody who says they agree with Buchanan. If anything it just proves we are becoming a 3rd world country when it comes to mental illnesses.

You have it exactly backwards - which explains why people voted for Obama when he was obviously a radical whose heart beats in synch with Rev Wright. Now he wages a war on prosperity, and seeks to dismantle the structure of economy right in front of peoples faces. Obama resembles a banana leader like his buddy Chavez. The celebrity election that was all form and no substance was our first banana republic election. Obama spun fairy tales - and since too many people love lies more than truth they bit. Many are now sorry and independents are fleeing Obama.

Of course it was natural these things happen since we have a degenerated populace that lives in a psychotic haze where the charade of global warming is real, where boys should marry each other, and where our enemies only attack because we defend ourselves.

Dick Morris is also correct about a looming "catastrophe" if people dont wake up and stop collapsing into a banana republic with barely a whimper. Fifty years of liberal education and media have people thinking up is really down and vice versa. Obama is an enemy to American security and prosperity. The awake people saw it before the election.

LOL, you sound like some crazed neo-nazi that wants to make sure everybody conforms to your narrow view of "normal".

Let me guess, you think McCain was a valid alternative?
 

BarrySotero

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Sure I talk to people in real life. Polls show most of my views are in line with the majority. Global warming, taxes, health care, faux marriage - I am out of step with nobody on most things (not all). It was the recent Gallup Poll that had self identified conservatives at 40%


Gallup: ?Conservatives? Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

?Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.?

http://rossputin.com/blog/inde...ves-are-single-largest


Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say their views have grown more conservative

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed. While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven't changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left"


http://www.gallup.com/poll/121...Moving.aspx?CSTS=alert

So there you are.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Sigh, lets define socialism more one time:

so?cial?ism \"so-she-'li-zem\ noun (1837)
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

My take on Mr Buchanan is that the Republican party and the "conservatives" took big losses in the last two federal election cycles. The current and the projected US demographic make up does not look good the GOP future success. Unless Mr Obama and the Democrats crash and burn, the GOP is on the path to becoming a Southern regional party.

The only thing Mr Buchanan has is the red scare. Can he convince, or scare people, that the New Deal represented a lost in freedom? Can he convince people that Mr Obama is a socialist who wants to curtail freedom?

Thanks.

Regarding Mr. Buchanan: He won't convince anyone. He is simply massaging the weak minded 20 percent to keep them listening. Not a bad gig.
 

Moonbeam

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I think I know why people like Buchanan see the end of the world and it goes to the heart of bigotry. The Taliban are having the same experience as Buchanan is too.

Bigotry is the delusional belief that there are good people and bad people, people who think like you do and people who think differently. We are all bigotized by our surrounding culture and some of us are born in ones that are very backward like the Taliban or Southern fundamentalist culture or traditional Roman Catholicism.

Unfortunately for bigots, owing to modern technology the ancient world of micro-cultures is giving way to a universal world culture that is an admixture or potpourri of all of them, a new liberal leaning modernism that is destroying traditional bigotries. The transmission of culture has passed from grandfather to the radio and TV, the cell phone and the Internet. Small minded insular bigoted little pricks everywhere are sensing the end and it is the end for them. Bigotry dies where there is no insularity and ignorance. The end is here for the sexual control of women by men which is what most of it is about. Most of what is fucked up in the world is the result of male inferiority and it's symptom, the inflated male ego.
 

Jaskalas

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You must be the largest bigot of all, to slander this generalization towards all who deem the government?s current actions as harmful to this nation.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The only thing Mr Buchanan has is the red scare. Can he convince, or scare people, that the New Deal represented a lost in freedom? Can he convince people that Mr Obama is a socialist who wants to curtail freedom?

Red scare? He'd be calling them Communists then. Perhaps you need to be educated to realize socialism is not the Soviet Union, and we are very much socialist today. There's no red scare, what we have is a great disdain over the abuse of power our government currently enjoys.

As for the New Deal, it was that which ignited our great use of tax dollars to abuse the government's role. It is the enabler by which the government has transformed, evolved, and grown. The New Deal did not just spark a loss of freedom, but a loss of constitution entirely.

You cannot attack the Patriot Act without recognizing the tax dollars and precedence that allowed it to happen.

Convince the people of what, that the government owns GM and several other businesses? Being a dependant is a loss of freedom. It is involuntary servitude and is no better than slavery.
 

Lemon law

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We must all remember that Pat Buchanan started out his political career as Spiro Agnew's speechwriter. And pretty soon ole Pat transformed a not very bright but likable Spiro into a polarizing fellow many loved to hate. But Pat Buchanan could only ride the Vice President so far, once Spiro got nailed for bribery and resigned as VP, everyone on the Spiro band wagon ran out of gas.

For Pat's next delusion, he turned politician in his own right, but his xenophobic brand of populism never quite seemed to catch on in the GOP. But anyone who can coin the phrase " nattering naybobs of negativism" has a future in journalism
even though Pat has never shrived to be anything but a journalist of the yellow dog type, a well spring of semi plausible ideas, that lack even the attempt to prove or polish into a coherent whole. In other words, Pat Buchanan is a poor man Joe Biden or Newt Gindrich who also belong to the new idea of the week club, but Pat is at least smart enough to make a living hawking half baked ideas. The problem is not in Pat, the problem is that this country has too many idiots willing to pay for those ideas.

But at least having two currently running Pat Buchanan threads is a welcome distraction from all those Sarah Palin said threads, especially if you like trading a headache for an upset stomach
 

evident

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where were these loonies for the last 8 fucking years? oh yeah, in charge of "socialist america"
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
I'd say we are more in danger of becoming a 2nd world nation. Like England after WW2 when it kind of just faded into the background in terms of world super powers. England itself is a modern place to live and all but economically and militarily it is not as relevant as it was pre-WW2.

A 2nd world country? You believe the US is going to join the Warsaw Pact?
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
And this is before the projected massive dual negative economic impacts of cap and trade and a nationalized health care system.

Nationalized health insurance would lift a huge burden off the economy by shifting resources away from the current wasteful private insurance system, resources that could be used for more productive activities. Nationalized health insurance would unleash an entrepreneurial wave as folks, full of ideas and purpose, could pursue their dreams of building new businesses without fear of medical bankruptcy. Nationalized health insurance would level the playing field for US manufacturers by removing the burden of employer-based insurance where employers who provide coverage are subsidizing those who don't and competing against foreign companies who don't have this burden.
 

jpeyton

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If it's sinking, why are you guys staying on a sinking ship?

More empty rhetoric from the right wing.