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Social Security fund will be drained by 2037

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No. That doesn't make Social Security less of a success. It just shows our politicians are failures.

I personally think it is a failure from a philosophical perspective, but that is another discussion.

As long as we keep putting these jokers in office, nothing will ever change. The American people also won't make the necessary sacrifices to put this country back on track. It doesn't take a degree in advanced mathematics to know that eventually, taxes will need to be raised and spending sharply curtailed and I think most people know it. Yet, if a candidate were to say that, it would be the end of him. People want to kick the can down the alley and let the next generation deal with it, which will never happen.
 
I personally think it is a failure from a philosophical perspective, but that is another discussion.

As long as we keep putting these jokers in office, nothing will ever change. The American people also won't make the necessary sacrifices to put this country back on track. It doesn't take a degree in advanced mathematics to know that eventually, taxes will need to be raised and spending sharply curtailed and I think most people know it. Yet, if a candidate were to say that, it would be the end of him. People want to kick the can down the alley and let the next generation deal with it, which will never happen.

I think you sum it up correctly. The only true remedy will be sacrifices.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41293592/ns/politics-more_politics/

Well, I guess we got a number to look forward too.

Lets see... 2037... 26 more years. Damn! I'll be exactly 68 years old. If I live that long (odds are not in my or your favor) That will be the Year (if they don't raise the time to collect yet again) I'll be eligible to collect!

Hmmm, after I paid into for 40 years --- No money for you chump! Some how I see our politics screwing us yet again. Thanks Bush! It's just an IOU right?

With the declining lifetime in the USA, think you will make it to 68?
 
Politicians should reform Social Security. What they shouldn't do is reform it and then use the savings to fund other programs like they've been doing for so many years now.

BUT! BUT! BUT! Presidenti Reagoon saved Social Security years ago by increasing the tax on working peons and then using the surplus for TAX BREAKS for THE RICH. Do "cough, cough" History books say different or is my memory of liars/republicans right?
 
BUT! BUT! BUT! Presidenti Reagoon saved Social Security years ago by increasing the tax on working peons and then using the surplus for TAX BREAKS for THE RICH. Do "cough, cough" History books say different or is my memory of liars/republicans right?

All along, I've understood this to be the Standard Operating Procedure for the repubs.

Bush/repub owned Congress proved it beyond my wildest imagination, and the next time the repubs get ahold of both houses and the presidency, all they're going to do is do a better, more thorough job of it, because the repub owned Supreme Court has already laid the groundwork for it.
 
BUT! BUT! BUT! Presidenti Reagoon saved Social Security years ago by increasing the tax on working peons and then using the surplus for TAX BREAKS for THE RICH. Do "cough, cough" History books say different or is my memory of liars/republicans right?

Here is a hint:

Everybody is to blame.
 
Here is a hint:

Everybody is to blame.
There you go kids.

I don't know what it is about our society that when presented with a problem, the first and foremost thing that must be addressed is whom to blame. Then we get stuck at that step and nothing further happens.

We can't change the past but we can change the future.
 
LOL, John Ritter is the president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americathon

Since the storyline was set 20 years into the future, several satirical forecasts were made:

The People's Republic of China embracing capitalism and becoming a global economic superpower.

Cliques of Native Americans becoming wealthy (although in reality much of their wealth would come from the gaming industry, mostly from tribal casinos).

Nike becoming a huge multinational conglomerate (In 1979, their "Tailwind" running shoe was just starting to gain popularity).

Vietnam becoming a major tourist attraction among Asia's wealthy and powerful.

The continued existence and popularity of The Beach Boys in 1998.

The collapse of the USSR.

The depletion of US crude oil production, which, according to Hubbert's Peak theory, was already underway for several years at the time the film was made.[dubious – discuss]

Jogging suits becoming fashionable as "casual wear".[dubious – discuss]

Reality television reaching absurd limits. (The telethon includes a boxing match between a mother and son. The son is played by Jay Leno.).

An America with a devalued dollar and heavily in debt to foreign lenders.

The United Kingdom relying heavily on tourism for income (In the film, England is the 57th state with London turned into a theme park named "Limeyland" and 10 Downing Street turned into a discothèque).

Network television dealing with previously taboo subjects accepted as normal. (Monty Rushmore stars in the sit-com, "Both Father and Mother", and plays a cross-dressing single father in the titular role. The film's narrative also mentions "The Schlong Show", a game show where contestants are judged by their reproductive organs.)

Smoking being banned.

Yup, the once absurd is now becoming commonplace.
 
Here is a hint:

Everybody is to blame.

I agree. Where we part ways is when we have to decide who was so much more to blame than the other, in the sense that there could have been one party so much more damaging than the other, that the "other" had no recourse but to either throw up their hands and join in the carnage hoping to stem the tide as best they can, or walk away and take the heat for not doing anything at all.

Sound familiar?😉
 
I agree. Where we part ways is when we have to decide who was so much more to blame than the other, in the sense that there could have been one party so much more damaging than the other, that the "other" had no recourse but to either throw up their hands and join in the carnage hoping to stem the tide as best they can, or walk away and take the heat for not doing anything at all.

Sound familiar?😉


Trying to figure out who fucked up more does nothing to solve the crisis. Sounds like a waste of time and energy for nothing.
 
Trying to figure out who fucked up more does nothing to solve the crisis. Sounds like a waste of time and energy for nothing.

Agreed. But in the sense that every plane crash in the USA is investigated, cause determined and responsibile parties identified, punitive fines levied and resultant lawsuits applied to prevent the same situation from happening again and justice be served, so too should we do same with our politicians.
 
Agreed. But in the sense that every plane crash in the USA is investigated, cause determined and responsibile parties identified, punitive fines levied and resultant lawsuits applied to prevent the same situation from happening again and justice be served, so too should we do same with our politicians.

Here I'll save you the time and just cave in.

100% Republican fault.

Glad thats settled, now lets get to solving the problem.
 
I agree. Where we part ways is when we have to decide who was so much more to blame than the other, in the sense that there could have been one party so much more damaging than the other, that the "other" had no recourse but to either throw up their hands and join in the carnage hoping to stem the tide as best they can, or walk away and take the heat for not doing anything at all.

Sound familiar?😉

It matters too when people blame the Social Security program for problems caused by politicians. They use misplaced blame to call SS a failure when it actually works well. It needs some changes to keep up with the times. That does not detract from its success.
 
It matters too when people blame the Social Security program for problems caused by politicians. They use misplaced blame to call SS a failure when it actually works well. It needs some changes to keep up with the times. That does not detract from its success.

So I guess the question is how do we keep our politician's grubby little hands out of the cookie jar? It's obviously too tempting for them to stop raiding the fund on their own.
 
Here I'll save you the time and just cave in.

100% Republican fault.

Glad thats settled, now lets get to solving the problem.



In all fairness, how 'bout we settle on 51% Repub and 49% Dem?😉

It's the split my wife uses whenever we have a dispute over who has the last say on any given subject at hand. And yes, I admit she holds permanent majority stock in the household.


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Repeal the SS tax break that was effective 1/1/11.

Remove the wage cap on SS withholding.

Raise the age of eligibility for younger folks who will have plenty of time to plan for it.

Raise the age of eligibility for everyone in between on a sliding scale.

Put a stop to our government raiding SS.

Quit paying benefits to people who are not citizens of our country.

Return the program to its roots. I have a former co-worker who is in his early sixties and retired. His second family (kids from first have been adults for a long time) consists of a wife and two boys. Both boys are in High School and are going to be starting to draw SS payments because their father is at retirement age according to SS guidelines. He only became aware of this when he applied for his benefit upon reaching the age of 62. Both boys are going to get a back check to cover the gap between when they were eligible and now. Then regular monthly checks will commence. The co-worker is flabbergasted at this whole process. His wife is still working with a high paying job in the health care field. He has a pension. They have two homes, cars for everyone and take nice vacations. They don't need the money and have stated so. The checks are coming.

Most importantly, apply common sense to the program. The paragraph above is just one example of the insane, unnecessary waste within the SS program. This kind of stuff has to stop.
 
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OK, so let's say that SS is dead. Tomorrow morning we all turn on our radios/tv/computers/etc. and read that the government has pulled the plug, if you were expecting a check then sorry it's not coming. We have no money to give you.

What happens next?
 
Politicians should reform Social Security. What they shouldn't do is reform it and then use the savings to fund other programs like they've been doing for so many years now.

realistically, how could they envision this?

most of those politicians are wealthy, spoiled, and social engineers to get anything they want. they're also busy catering to each other and making sure whoever got them their job, they try to return the favor.
 
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