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SludgeFactory

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Much of the excitement with soccer is in the anticipation. American audiences don't seem to be going for that much any more, they want instant gratification. Same goes for baseball and its declining TV popularity over the last 15-20 years.

I don't know if soccer will ever be that popular here. You would think that some of these millions of soccer playing kids would grow up to be passionate soccer fans. That's the only hope, because the current American adult generations have essentially zero interest in it and never will.

I would think if the MLS gets some of the big names mentioned, albeit somewhat past their primes, it couldn't do anything but help draw some more young fans.
 

DivideBYZero

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I play. I don't watch.

I make exception for the World Cup though, even though my country fck it up EVERY god-damn time.
 

absolu7

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Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Much of the excitement with soccer is in the anticipation. American audiences don't seem to be going for that much any more, they want instant gratification. Same goes for baseball and its declining TV popularity over the last 15-20 years.

I don't know if soccer will ever be that popular here. You would think that some of these millions of soccer playing kids would grow up to be passionate soccer fans. That's the only hope, because the current American adult generations have essentially zero interest in it and never will.

I would think if the MLS gets some of the big names mentioned, albeit somewhat past their primes, it couldn't do anything but help draw some more young fans.

lol sad place we live in..hehe
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

plays are created by the players in split seconds...only set plays require coaching...the rest is pure imagination, vision, and skill. I say that is more impressive than systematic plays that can be predicted.
 

Bucks

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

plays are created by the players in split seconds...only set plays require coaching...the rest is pure imagination, vision, and skill. I say that is more impressive than systematic plays that can be predicted.

Beat me to it
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

plays are created by the players in split seconds...only set plays require coaching...the rest is pure imagination, vision, and skill. I say that is more impressive than systematic plays that can be predicted.
Oh, I don't deny that. I'm not trying to show how football and baseball are "smarter" games or anything like that. I'm just disputing the argument that Americans don't get into soccer because of their attention spans.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

Um, what strategy in baseball?
You must not be a baseball fan.

Um, no I'm quite the baseball fan. You can't compare the level and depth of strategy in baseball to football or basketball. Soccer has as much "strategy" as baseball does. If you don't think it does, you've never played.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: irishScott
A lot of people view soccer as a less-manlier sport (compared to football/baseball/basketball) that requires less skill. Anyone's who played it knows they're obviously wrong but that's the stereotype. Another stereotype is that it's European (and it is to a large degree), and given our current cold-sholder political policy to most of Europe, the association doesn't help much. DC United's not bad though, and the only team NOT to lose to Italy in the last world cup was the US :)

soccer is waaaay easier compared to baseball, basketball and football...
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: irishScott
A lot of people view soccer as a less-manlier sport (compared to football/baseball/basketball) that requires less skill. Anyone's who played it knows they're obviously wrong but that's the stereotype. Another stereotype is that it's European (and it is to a large degree), and given our current cold-sholder political policy to most of Europe, the association doesn't help much. DC United's not bad though, and the only team NOT to lose to Italy in the last world cup was the US :)

soccer is waaaay easier compared to baseball, basketball and football...

Come run, pass, tackle and out wit another 11 people with me on the field for a solid hour and a half, then at the end, in between gasps for breath, repeat that statement.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

Um, what strategy in baseball?
You must not be a baseball fan.

Um, no I'm quite the baseball fan. You can't compare the level and depth of strategy in baseball to football or basketball. Soccer has as much "strategy" as baseball does. If you don't think it does, you've never played.
I played soccer many, many times when I lived overseas. I think I have a pretty good understanding of the game. I wasn't comparing baseball strategy to football's. I was comparing it to soccer which doesn't have nearly the amount of strategy that baseball does. What pitcher to bring in, what pitch to throw in what situation to a specific hitter who may be a a good fastball hitter but is susceptible to a hard one up in the zone and may chase a breaking ball low and away, versus the available pinch-hitter who is a killer breaking ball hitter but he hits mostly to left center and we got a great arm out there who can certainly make the play and hold the runner at third. This is just one example, there are thousands. Soccer doesn't have that to my knowledge.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Not a chance in hell. It was tried, in the late 70's there was a big push to mainstream soccer. The New York Cosmos brought in Pele, Giorgio Chinaglia, Franz Beckenbauer and every other big name they could think of. Soccer got HUGE, the Cosmos were selling out Giant Stadium which seats around 80,000. That lasted about 20 seconds. Because once they got beyond the hype, once they got beyond Pele smiling on the cover of Sports Illustrated and once they got beyond the biggest team in the biggest market winning, IT WAS STILL JUST SOCCER. The USA HATES SOCCER. It always has hated soccer and it always will hate soccer. We have better things to do than watch games that end in 0-0 ties half the time.
 

spaceghost21

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I think Soccer will increase greatly in popularity over the next decades. It's still relatively new to the US.
 

JLGatsby

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Soccer is the most boring sport known to man.

Kick the ball back and forth the entire game with only 2 or 3 "scores" usually in an entire game. People like games where they score a lot and there's action going on. Soccer is the most drab sport of all time.
 

chuckywang

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Soccer is an up and coming sport. Baseball fields are being replaced by soccer fields. It is very popular with kids.
 
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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
In order of popularity in the US:

Football = Lots of action - plays last 5 seconds
Baseball = Occasional action - plays last 5-8 seconds
Basketball = Lots of action - plays last 40 seconds
Hockey = Lots of action - plays last 2-4 minutes
Soccer = No action - plays are timed with a calendar

Note the length of a play. The popularity of a sport falls off exponentially with the amount of time we have to pay attention to it to follow the action. Soccer is an affront to the average american's attention span. If you can go make a sandwich and not miss anything... why bother?

Five seconds
5-8 seconds
40 seconds
Couple minutes
Ages and ages

Hard to imagine Soccer being big in the US.
BS. The strategy in football and baseball involve thinking. People like to think what the next play should be. People try to manage and coach in their heads. The true fans anyway. Soccor doesn't really have that. Sure, there are plays drawn up, but not nearly on the football and baseball scale.

plays are created by the players in split seconds...only set plays require coaching...the rest is pure imagination, vision, and skill. I say that is more impressive than systematic plays that can be predicted.

The reason why AMERICAN FOOTBALL comes out to be more exciting than SOCCER... THis is exactly why countries that start adopting AMERICAN FOOTBALL (i.e. Japan, Taiwan, etc) enjoy it

First of all, football has SHORT TERM GOALS. There is the first down. Then there is a longer goal, the touchdown. Every snap has the potential for a 60 yard pass or a rushing touchdown. You know when it starts when it ends and you never know what play they'll run. This element keeps fans screaming because they want to achieve a short term goal, the first down while aiming for the long term goal, the touchdown.

Basketball has a short term goal, the basket. Why do you think fans are on their feet all the time? Every basket is like a completed pass in football. That is why people cheer every few seconds. The long term goal is to dominate the quarter.

Soccer has a goal, it is the goal. It may happen once a game, 3 - 4 times a game, or even never. The bottom line is plays happen out of nowhere and it requirse you to keep your eyes peeled and staring at no action most of the time. Imagine an American football game where the winning team wins 3-0 with a field goal. Most of the time you're driving and failing passes so you punt. How fun is that? I'll tell you certain games like the Cal Oregon game was exciting because Cal was getting punt returns and insane interceptions and lots of passing touchdowns. When your QB is struggling though and neither team is scoring and offense/defenses are choking, how fun is that? This is the same. Every time you take the soccer ball and you drive it down to the goal and you can't take a shot, it's like a football team unable to get a first down and having to punt it and give up posession. How fun are those football games when neither team can score?

Most of the time in soccer you're going back and forth with a minimal chance of scoring. Same with hockey.

Why do you think hockey viewership and soccer viewership = so low? I fell asleep during the NHL finals and I only woke up when they presented the Stanley Cup. Who the hell cares.

Baseball may be boring because scoring rarely happens too, but its not that boring. Why? There's a short term goal. Hit the damn ball. So there's a pause and there's a pitch. You expect something every pitch, and thus there is excitement and anticipation. You never know. There can be a strike, a home run, a double, a foul, anything...

Soccer is a great sport, don't get me wrong, but I'll take a college football game over ANY soccer game ANY DAY. The way you jump up and down on defense and clap your hands for 3rd downs and yell across the stadium goinig "GO" "BEARS" just beats the atmosphere of any other sporting game. Why do you think superbowl = biggest TV viewership?
 

Fingolfin269

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I think indoor soccer has a better chance of catching on here than the soccer most people think of when they think of the sport.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: irishScott
A lot of people view soccer as a less-manlier sport (compared to football/baseball/basketball) that requires less skill. Anyone's who played it knows they're obviously wrong but that's the stereotype. Another stereotype is that it's European (and it is to a large degree), and given our current cold-sholder political policy to most of Europe, the association doesn't help much. DC United's not bad though, and the only team NOT to lose to Italy in the last world cup was the US :)

soccer is waaaay easier compared to baseball, basketball and football...

Come run, pass, tackle and out wit another 11 people with me on the field for a solid hour and a half, then at the end, in between gasps for breath, repeat that statement.

by easy i meant anyone can run on the field without experience and play. baseball you need hand-eye coordination and ability to throw the ball accurately. not anyone can just play basketball - i truly believe some people are born to play, and some cannot for the life of them play coherently even with years of play. football - obvious.
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: irishScott
A lot of people view soccer as a less-manlier sport (compared to football/baseball/basketball) that requires less skill. Anyone's who played it knows they're obviously wrong but that's the stereotype. Another stereotype is that it's European (and it is to a large degree), and given our current cold-sholder political policy to most of Europe, the association doesn't help much. DC United's not bad though, and the only team NOT to lose to Italy in the last world cup was the US :)

soccer is waaaay easier compared to baseball, basketball and football...

Come run, pass, tackle and out wit another 11 people with me on the field for a solid hour and a half, then at the end, in between gasps for breath, repeat that statement.

by easy i meant anyone can run on the field without experience and play. baseball you need hand-eye coordination and ability to throw the ball accurately. not anyone can just play basketball - i truly believe some people are born to play, and some cannot for the life of them play coherently even with years of play. football - obvious.

Crap. If you have never played, get on the field with 21 other people who have played since they were 3 and you're going to feel a solid-gold tool. You won't even see any time on the ball, if you do it will just bounce off your feet to be stolen right off you.
 
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Originally posted by: absolu7
they already got Figo coming, and working on Beckham and Ronaldo with a busted knee.
is it possible to get it up the say basketball popularity or even baseball? with proper sponsors/marketing? or Americans just not ready?

i know MLS salary cap is 20million per team which is pathetic and no good player can be bought, not the case obviously in europe.

I don't think that will ever happen and I'll tell you why.
Soccer doe snot fit the american way of showing sports on TV. By that I mean there are no spots to fit comercials. You can't just stop the game and throw in 30 secs worth of it at random.
If you did that anyway the experience would be ruined.

Football (amewrican style) on the other hand fits that requirement perfect. Play for 5-10 secs... wait a few minutes to regroup... repeat.

No offense ment. ;)
 

Atheus

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Most of the comments in this thread are totally alien to me as an European... soccer is boring, soccer is not manly, soccer is slow, soccer is EASY to play? Easier than baseball? LOL! I assure you none of these views are held elsewhere in the world. Football (that's soccer) is the sport, the only sport, most places in the world - not only Europe, but South and Central America, Africa, Russia, and many parts of Asia. How can you say it's not manly? Rugby and American football are the rich man's games, football is every man's game - it can be played with only a ball and a couple of trees.

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Soccer is a great sport, don't get me wrong, but I'll take a college football game over ANY soccer game ANY DAY. The way you jump up and down on defense and clap your hands for 3rd downs and yell across the stadium goinig "GO" "BEARS" just beats the atmosphere of any other sporting game.

I assure you, you are quite wrong. There is no atmosphere like that of a European football game. There are drums in the crowd. Flares and fireworks, 50 foot flags, 100 000 people singing the same song, fights, tears, excitement...



/Edit: Also, I think Ronaldo is a pussy and a tosser, and I hope he goes and play in America and becomes a washout. :D
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: irishScott
A lot of people view soccer as a less-manlier sport (compared to football/baseball/basketball) that requires less skill. Anyone's who played it knows they're obviously wrong but that's the stereotype. Another stereotype is that it's European (and it is to a large degree), and given our current cold-sholder political policy to most of Europe, the association doesn't help much. DC United's not bad though, and the only team NOT to lose to Italy in the last world cup was the US :)

soccer is waaaay easier compared to baseball, basketball and football...

Come run, pass, tackle and out wit another 11 people with me on the field for a solid hour and a half, then at the end, in between gasps for breath, repeat that statement.

by easy i meant anyone can run on the field without experience and play. baseball you need hand-eye coordination and ability to throw the ball accurately. not anyone can just play basketball - i truly believe some people are born to play, and some cannot for the life of them play coherently even with years of play. football - obvious.

Crap. If you have never played, get on the field with 21 other people who have played since they were 3 and you're going to feel a solid-gold tool. You won't even see any time on the ball, if you do it will just bounce off your feet to be stolen right off you.

Nevertheless, learning curve is not as steep as the big 3.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Soccer is an up and coming sport. Baseball fields are being replaced by soccer fields. It is very popular with kids.


It's very popular with the MOMS of kids. Moms who don't want their little darlings to play football or baseball or full-contact tiddly-winks where they might get a boo-boo. Kids have been playing youth soccer leagues for 30 years, ever since the Cosmos boom. They DO NOT grow up to watch soccer on TV, purchase soccer tickets or give a damn about the game.