Sobriety Checkpoints

[Moonbeam]

It's clear that P&N should have stupidity checkpoints.

Hehe

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No you are not. Public drunkenness is a crime almost everywhere that I am familiar with and you do not have to damage anyone or anything to be arrested and convicted.

Yeah, the Colts punter was swimming around drunk in our canal at 3:00 AM a few weeks ago and got arrested. :awe: He wasn't harming anyone.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would think that if we had real freedom we could do what we want unless it harmed somebody and that would mean we could do it until we actually did. Thus, in a free society I could drive on any side of the road I wanted to up to the point I hit a car coming the other way. In a free society we would never allow past experience to tell us anything. Everybody could get drunk and drive till they killed somebody and got arrested. It would be unconstitutional in a free society to pass a law preventing folk from driving drunk. It would presume they were going to commit a crime they might never commit. Just because drunks account for so many fatal crashes, in a free society, there would be no protection, no forethought, no ability to learn from experience. Each day every drunk would be open and free to be tested. And we could target practice in town shooting at cotton bales. I love a free society. You cowards can live in a world where practical experience influences law.

The love of the absolute creates morons.

 

[bamacre]

I would think that if we had real freedom we could do what we want unless it harmed somebody and that would mean we could do it until we actually did. Thus, in a free society I could drive on any side of the road I wanted to up to the point I hit a car coming the other way. In a free society we would never allow past experience to tell us anything. Everybody could get drunk and drive till they killed somebody and got arrested. It would be unconstitutional in a free society to pass a law preventing folk from driving drunk. It would presume they were going to commit a crime they might never commit. Just because drunks account for so many fatal crashes, in a free society, there would be no protection, no forethought, no ability to learn from experience. Each day every drunk would be open and free to be tested. And we could target practice in town shooting at cotton bales. I love a free society. You cowards can live in a world where practical experience influences law.

Yes, Moonbeam, we all want to get rid of traffic laws, and make drunk driving legal.

The love of the absolute creates morons.

You should have typed that first, then maybe you wouldn't have typed the rest.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Texas prohibits sobriety checkpoints based on their interpretation of the U.S. Constitution

http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/checkpoint_laws.html

 

[sandorski]

Sobriety Checkpoints are not Detention.

 

[piasabird]

If you have a valid drivers license, you paid for the right to drive your vehicle, so they have no right to just pick law abiding citizens and make them stop if they are not breaking and violations. This is first breaking a contract between the governments and the citizen (Customer). It could also be covered in illegal search and seizure. While you are at it go study entrapment???

 

[Moonbeam]

The reason we have sobriety check points is because many people don't give a shit if they kill somebody while driving drunk, but they do care if they know they will lose their license and go to jail if they get caught drunk behind the wheel. The abstract fear if killing somebody else gets replaced with a conviction there could be a real risk of just being drunk behind the wheel. Some don't give a shit about others but they care about their own ass. These same types who don't care how many die so long as they don't have to be stopped are of the same ilk, selfish assholes and pigs.

We could rig cars to administer a lethal injection if the driver is drunk, eh?

 

[zsdersw]

The reason we have sobriety check points is because many people don't give a shit if they kill somebody while driving drunk, but they do care if they know they will lose their license and go to jail if they get caught drunk behind the wheel.

No, we have sobriety checkpoints because too many people think that all of society's problems can be solved with laws and law enforcement... in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Drug abuse? Sure, no problem.. we'll just pass a few laws, step up the policing, and *voila*.. no more drug abuse

Kids getting too fat? Sure, no problem.. we'll pass a law keeping McDonalds from including a toy in their kids meals and *voila*.. no more fat kids!

 

[CanOWorms]

... are unconstitutional. There is no justification for detaining everyone because probable cause has not been established.

What do you think?

You don't need probable cause for all searches/seizures.

I suppose you could think that it's unconstitutional though. The liberal justices thought so.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, we have sobriety checkpoints because too many people think that all of society's problems can be solved with laws and law enforcement... in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Drug abuse? Sure, no problem.. we'll just pass a few laws, step up the policing, and *voila*.. no more drug abuse

Kids getting too fat? Sure, no problem.. we'll pass a law keeping McDonalds from including a toy in their kids meals and *voila*.. no more fat kids!

Grind that organ, monkey. We don't make laws to solve societies problems. Laws can't solve anything. Even an idiot knows this. We make laws to ameliorate problems we have no solution to. But don't worry because you can't see things straight. No absolutist can.

 

[Darwin333]

That depends on what they are doing. Asking to see your ID is not searching (unless you're an illegal alien, aparently) you or your effects. If they require you to get out of your car, then I would agree with you.

papers please?

 

[Darwin333]

No it is not; i'm not familiar with everywhere, but in NY there is no such law on the books.

Add the states of La and Alabama to the list, pretty sure Florida has one as well or they can always resort to "disorderly".

 

[zsdersw]

We make laws to ameliorate problems we have no solution to.

.. and end up accomplishing nothing.

But don't worry because you can't see things straight. No absolutist can.

Then what's your excuse for not seeing things straight?

 

[Moonbeam]

.. and end up accomplishing nothing.

Look closer. You should see a polyp or two.

 

[zsdersw]

Look closer. You should see a polyp or two.

On you I see plenty.

 

[Infohawk]

I guess it's a good thing that people keep insisting on more rights as time goes on, but it's a bit silly to act like these rights are eroding... Getting on a jet or even driving a car have always been privileges.

 

[zsdersw]

I guess it's a good thing that people keep insisting on more rights as time goes on, but it's a bit silly to act like these rights are eroding... Getting on a jet or even driving a car have always been privileges.

Privileges? It's a shame they're seen that way.. because they're not.

 

[rudder]

Ya, good luck with your argument in court.

That is why the police announce where sobriety checkpoints will be located. I was stopped a few years ago at an unannounced checkpoint during the day. I had forgotten my walled that day and got a ticket. The judge threw out every ticket given out by the highway patrol citing the unnannounced roadblock was unconstitutional. I have not seen one in Tennessee since.

 

[zsdersw]

That is why the police announce where sobriety checkpoints will be located. I was stopped a few years ago at an unannounced checkpoint during the day. I had forgotten my walled that day and got a ticket. The judge threw out every ticket given out by the highway patrol citing the unnannounced roadblock was unconstitutional. I have not seen one in Tennessee since.

:thumbsup:

 

[Amused]

I guess it's a good thing that people keep insisting on more rights as time goes on, but it's a bit silly to act like these rights are eroding... Getting on a jet or even driving a car have always been privileges.

Actually, only recently has there been checkpoints on roads that allow police to search you and your car without cause.

And they needed cause to invasively search you in airports as well.

Be careful with the word "privilege." My riding on a plane is a private contract between a private airline and myself. And my person and effects (car and belongings) do NOT give up their 4th amendment rights simply because we're on a public street.

Driving is NOT a "privilege," granted by the government as a "favor" but a civic responsibility that can be taken away if I abuse it.

This is NOT a case of "more rights" but a case of demanding rights we once had, but have been slowly erroded away on the slippery slope of "safety and security."

 

[bamacre]

That is why the police announce where sobriety checkpoints will be located. I was stopped a few years ago at an unannounced checkpoint during the day. I had forgotten my walled that day and got a ticket. The judge threw out every ticket given out by the highway patrol citing the unnannounced roadblock was unconstitutional. I have not seen one in Tennessee since.

What year was that? It's been at least 7 years since I was stopped at a checkpoint. The officer used his flashlight to see if I was wearing a seat belt and then waved me on my way. If they were checking for drunks, I'd have to admit it was a failed attempt. The only drunks they would have found were ones that were also not wearing their seat belt.

 

[Amused]

What year was that? It's been at least 7 years since I was stopped at a checkpoint. The officer used his flashlight to see if I was wearing a seat belt and then waved me on my way. If they were checking for drunks, I'd have to admit it was a failed attempt. The only drunks they would have found were ones that were also not wearing their seat belt.

Did he ask you to roll down your window? Did you roll it down when you came up to the check point?

What they do is smell for alcohol. It reeks and can be smelled through an open car window.

 

[bamacre]

Did he ask you to roll down your window? Did you roll it down when you came up to the check point?

Not that I recall.

 

[Amused]

Not that I recall.

odd. It may have been just a seatbelt checkpoint.