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Soaring Tax Revenues strengthen State Budgets

Engineer

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With earnings and profits up (individuals and corporations) as well as robust sales taxes (Not sure of property taxes - houses, etc. but I'm sure that those type of taxes help local governments regardless), states are now emerging from the deficits of a few years ago. Maybe some of the money can be used to shore up state pensions as well as give raises to teachers, policemen, etc. Maybe a tax cut also if they have enough (nah, they'll never do that! 😛)

Edit: Noting that corporate taxes were up 8.8% would indicate that the lion's share came from corporations increased profits. Come on corporate America, share the love! 😉

Edit #2: Seems Medicaid seems to be eating state budgets from many states. This along with Medicare, will, IMO, eclipse SS many times over as a national burden (disaster?). Medical costs are driving everyone down, including making "social" programs such as Medicare and Medicaid worse than ever (on budgets).

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Driven by robust tax revenues, state finances are surging again after years of anemic growth, giving governors and lawmakers an infusion of cash to spend on raises for state workers, preschool programs for the poor, and new roads.

The nation's governors reported Thursday that soaring income, sales and corporate tax receipts beat expectations in 42 states during the budget year that ended in June. That is a stark reversal of fortunes from the dark days of 2002, when 42 states saw revenues fall below estimates.

"There's no question, we've turned the corner," said Iowa Rep. Bill Dix, chairman of the House committee that helps write his state's $5.1 billion budget.

Still, long-delayed spending needs and the rising costs of education and Medicaid, the health care program for the poor, are placing heavy pressure on state budgets. The report urged caution, warning that states faced difficult choices ahead.

But in comparison to the last three years, the study by the National Association of State Budget Officers and the National Governors Association, coupled with several other recent reports, portray a remarkable economic turnaround during the 2005 fiscal year. All but four states operate on a fiscal year that runs from July through June.

"The good news is that states' fiscal conditions have really stabilized," said Scott Pattison, executive director of the budget officers group.

Among the reports findings:

_Revenues were 2.1 percent higher than estimated, with corporate taxes alone 8.8 percent above estimates. A separate report found that tax revenue in the January-through-March quarter alone rose 11.7 percent from the previous year's quarter, the highest rise since 1991.

_Spending was up 6.6 percent from fiscal year 2004 in state general funds, after three years of much slower growth. General fund spending pays for most state services.

_Only five states had to make cuts after they had passed their 2005 budget, down sharply from 2004, when 18 states had to cut budgets midyear. In both 2003 and 2002, 37 states had to cut budgets midyear.

For Dix, the Iowa lawmaker, strong growth in sales and income taxes gave lawmakers an extra $340 million to spend.

New money went to Medicaid and K-12 education. State workers got raises. Gov. Tom Vilsack won funds to expand preschool programs to more poor children. Another $300 million went to replenish reserve funds that helped the state get through the tough times of the last few years.

But some state officials remain cautious.

"We really do not have clear enough trends, especially with the $60 oil (per barrel), to be assured that this year's improvements will continue," said North Carolina Democratic Rep. Paul Luebke, where lawmakers and Gov. Mike Easley are still arguing over their 2006 budget.

There's reason to be cautious, the report found, because the state share of the joint federal-state Medicaid program is estimated to grow 16.7 percent in fiscal 2005 and 6.9 percent in fiscal 2006.

Twenty-four states saw shortfalls between the amount budgeted for Medicaid and the amount needed in the year that just ended, and enrollment continues to rise at roughly 4 percent a year.

"Medicaid and health care continue to be a crisis at the state level," said Ray Scheppach, the NGA's executive director.

Helping to drive the revenue growth are increased taxes and fees, as states raised taxes and fees by $3.5 billion overall for fiscal year 2005.

For Dix, the hard times forced important choices. "We made state government a little bit leaner, and that's good," he said. Now, he said, with more cash, it's harder to say no.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Edit #2: Seems Medicaid seems to be eating state budgets from many states. This along with Medicare, will, IMO, eclipse SS many times over as a national burden (disaster?). Medical costs are driving everyone down, including making "social" programs such as Medicare and Medicaid worse than ever (on budgets).

The number one cause of increasing medical costs is that instead of taking care of mommy and daddy when they get old everyone is sticking them in nursing homes. Those homes are EXPENSIVE, typical costs exceed $2400 a month for a sh!thole. For example, 5000 seniors in nursing homes on medicare exceeds $12,000,000 monthly and even the smallest states are going to have more than that in homes. This is one the reasons my state pays for in home nurse vists three times a week for seniors. Even with 6 hours a week of in home nursing care it's still 1000x cheaper than a nursing home.
 
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.
 
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.
You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.
😕


Or is my sarcasm meter on the fritz again?
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

Bahahahaha

Bush gives rich a tax break on federal level while his republican co-horts at the state level tax the crap out of what's left of the middle class while they bend over and say, give me another.

 
BS! Total BS!!!

States are taxing the people into bankruptcy, home loss by the elderly, foreclosures and layoffs. Yes, many have raised sale taxes. And who pays for that? The tax payer with more tax burden. If you find a 100 dollar bill, that doesn?t mean the guy that lost it is doing better, even though you (the State) may welcome the find.
 
Originally posted by: randym431
BS! Total BS!!!

States are taxing the people into bankruptcy, home loss by the elderly, foreclosures and layoffs. Yes, many have raised sale taxes. And who pays for that? The tax payer with more tax burden. If you find a 100 dollar bill, that doesn?t mean the guy that lost it is doing better, even though you (the State) may welcome the find.

Uh, BS. Almost all places in the US freeze property taxes of the elderly. This is why its a stupid move, to live in an area with a lot of eldery, because their taxes are frozen, and yours will be sky high to counteract the loss of tax money from the elderly.
 
I dunno about you but maybe they should cut taxes instead of salary raises and growing departments further with this "new found" cash???

You relise in Ca the top income tax rate kicks in at a measly 43,000!!! And it's huge, over 9%. You make 100K in ca it's not unreasonable to pay over 50% in taxes between federal, excise, sales, property, state, gas, and utilities taxes
 
its been in the news loally that sales tax revenues are up 20% or so over last year, but thats with a semi-booming population, so i'm not sure how it all works out.
 
Well, let's see if the states screw it up like they did when tax revenues were soaring in the late 90s. Instead of reducing taxes or putting all the extra tax money aside for a rainy day, they increased spending like crazy and were hit hard when the economy slowed down and hit the wall in late2000/early2001.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
I dunno about you but maybe they should cut taxes instead of salary raises and growing departments further with this "new found" cash???

You relise in Ca the top income tax rate kicks in at a measly 43,000!!! And it's huge, over 9%. You make 100K in ca it's not unreasonable to pay over 50% in taxes between federal, excise, sales, property, state, gas, and utilities taxes

That's exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately, our government is too willing to spend (even when they don't have the money to do so).
 
Originally posted by: randym431
BS! Total BS!!!

States are taxing the people into bankruptcy, home loss by the elderly, foreclosures and layoffs. Yes, many have raised sale taxes. And who pays for that? The tax payer with more tax burden. If you find a 100 dollar bill, that doesn?t mean the guy that lost it is doing better, even though you (the State) may welcome the find.

Taxes must equal expenditures. There is no free ride, fire, police, roads, schools and many other serivces are directly provided by state and local government. In fact more serrvices you use every day are provided by the states and local government than the federal government could ever provide. If you don't like how much state or local government costs, vote to close those fire departments and fire those police officers and then you can have your lower taxes.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

Bahahahaha

Bush gives rich a tax break on federal level while his republican co-horts at the state level tax the crap out of what's left of the middle class while they bend over and say, give me another.

Yup, IIRC a few years back States were raising Taxes.
 
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: randym431
BS! Total BS!!!

States are taxing the people into bankruptcy, home loss by the elderly, foreclosures and layoffs. Yes, many have raised sale taxes. And who pays for that? The tax payer with more tax burden. If you find a 100 dollar bill, that doesn?t mean the guy that lost it is doing better, even though you (the State) may welcome the find.

Taxes must equal expenditures. There is no free ride, fire, police, roads, schools and many other serivces are directly provided by state and local government. In fact more serrvices you use every day are provided by the states and local government than the federal government could ever provide. If you don't like how much state or local government costs, vote to close those fire departments and fire those police officers and then you can have your lower taxes.


Pulling the old your house is going to burn is BS since a very small portion of local and state taxes go to law enforcement and fire. In fact where I live it's volunteer fire department. Governments used to be established to perform certain limited functions which individuals can't handle alone like fire and PDs so they would be last cut... today however thier all about ever-expanding size of their empire for any little pet project. Usually falling under nebulus catagories like "general government services" "natual resouces" last time I looked at my counties expenditures.
 
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.

Why did you bold the part where I said the deficit is ridiculous? How is that a partisan snide remark? Why was that part bolded?
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.

Why did you bold the part where I said the deficit is ridiculous? How is that a partisan snide remark? Why was that part bolded?

Yes, I'm confused also.

Also ntdz, I'm not a complete liberal unless you consider bashing Bush a liberal (many do). On fiscal matters, I'm much more conservative than many think. Much more "socially" liberal than conservative though. I'm also considered a "protectionalist" (or something like that). I hate outsourcing and do everything I can to keep people working here in the US.

I know there's a term for people like me (other than screwballs, nuts, etc. 😛)..I just don't remember what it is.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.

Why did you bold the part where I said the deficit is ridiculous? How is that a partisan snide remark? Why was that part bolded?

Yes, I'm confused also.

Also ntdz, I'm not a complete liberal unless you consider bashing Bush a liberal (many do). On fiscal matters, I'm much more conservative than many think. Much more "socially" liberal than conservative though. I'm also considered a "protectionalist" (or something like that). I hate outsourcing and do everything I can to keep people working here in the US.

I know there's a term for people like me (other than screwballs, nuts, etc. 😛)..I just don't remember what it is.

I think tss4 mistook ntdz for being a "liberal" and thought he was bringing up a sore point. 😉
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Nice to see a liberal posting good news for once...refreshing. I hope this trend continues, the deficit is ridiculous.

You can't just be civil. Always have to get a jab in. He posted something you like. So, why don't you cut the partisan snide remark out.

Why did you bold the part where I said the deficit is ridiculous? How is that a partisan snide remark? Why was that part bolded?

Cause I'm an idiot. Never mind me. I thought you were saying the defecit of good news coming from the left was ridiculous. My reading comprehension isn't so good today.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Pulling the old your house is going to burn is BS since a very small portion of local and state taxes go to law enforcement and fire. In fact where I live it's volunteer fire department. Governments used to be established to perform certain limited functions which individuals can't handle alone like fire and PDs so they would be last cut... today however thier all about ever-expanding size of their empire for any little pet project. Usually falling under nebulus catagories like "general government services" "natual resouces" last time I looked at my counties expenditures.

Taxes = Expenditures. You want lower taxes petition your state and locality for less services. Just because your locality may be stupid doesn't mean the rest of ours are.

Oh and BTW just because they dont' have salaries to pay for the firemen doesn't mean the fire department doesn't cost anything. A good chunk of fire expenditures goes towards things like fire engines which can cost in excess of half a million dollars a piece.
 
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