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lupi said:
I have gotten stuck several times on the tacoma narrows for some wanna be jumper. after a couple of those I'd happily volunteer to approach the moron with a pole to give him the encouragement needed to get traffic moving again.
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What's wrong with you people? Is your 10 minutes worth more than someone's life? FFS
 
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How long til they can scrape the body off the pavement?
 
MotionMan said:
You are a bad person if you think it is OK to fake a suicide attempt in a fashion that delays an entire region for hours (which is what happens when this occurs in LA).

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1) I didn't mention faking a suicide attempt
2) I didn't say hours.
3) I didn't say I thought it was OK.

I said
Is your 10 minutes worth more than someone's life?
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And he said yes. That makes him a bad person.
 
MotionMan said:
You are a bad person if you think it is OK to fake a suicide attempt in a fashion that delays an entire region for hours (which is what happens when this occurs in LA).

MotionMan
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That was probably his own way of making everyone else give a crap about him and whether he'll do it or not.

People contemplating suicide often crave that last bit of attention before giving in. To commit an act like that and do it in a fashion where others are involved is the epitome of selfishness and hubris.
 
pelov said:
That was probably his own way of making everyone else give a crap about him and whether he'll do it or not.

People contemplating suicide often crave that last bit of attention before giving in. To commit an act like that and do it in a fashion where others are involved is the epitome of selfishness and hubris.
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When you're that depressed you can't think about other people and that's not your fault.
 
HAL9000 said:
1) I didn't mention faking a suicide attempt
2) I didn't say hours.
3) I didn't say I thought it was OK.

I said

And he said yes. That makes him a bad person.
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So you agree that you are a bad person if you think it is OK to fake a suicide attempt in a fashion that delays an entire region for hours?

MotionMan
 
HAL9000 said:
When you're that depressed you can't think about other people and that's not your fault.
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Choosing a busy highway ramp during the middle of the day isn't thinking about other people? Or that phone call to that special person before popping a handful of pills isn't craving attention? I don't buy that.

Suicide is inherently one of if not the most selfish of acts. When you contemplate or commit a suicidal act you hurt those around you far more than you hurt yourself. They've got to deal with the death as they keep living while you're existence is put to an end. What do you care? You can't care. They keep on going with someone's suicide looming over their head for the rest of their lives. Phone call or highway ramp or not, it doesn't make it any more or less selfish. The selfishness and hubris is in the act itself and not the method or the last appeal to empathy and pity.
 
pelov said:
Choosing a busy highway ramp during the middle of the day isn't thinking about other people? Or that phone call to that special person before popping a handful of pills isn't craving attention? I don't buy that.
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When you're killing yourself, you aren't thinking about how you ending your life might delay someones commute, it doesn't enter your thoughts, the phone call is craving attention, of course it is, but then it's not just for you that you make that call it's for them as well, it's one last attempt at getting out of how you're feeling before you kill yourself.

Suicide is inherently one of if not the most selfish of acts. When you contemplate or commit a suicidal act you hurt those around you far more than you hurt yourself. They've got to deal with the death as they keep living while you're existence is put to an end. What do you care? You can't care. They keep on going with someone's suicide looming over their head for the rest of their lives. Phone call or highway ramp or not, it doesn't make it any more or less selfish. The selfishness and hubris is in the act itself and not the method or the last appeal to empathy and pity.
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Yes it is selfish, yes others will suffer more than you will, but you aren't thinking about them, when you are that depressed your options are: Living a miserable life for maybe 60 years more (depending on your current age) or ending it now, getting out before, you're thinking surely my loved ones would rather deal with my death than watch me suffer the rest of my life. When you are that depressed there is no end to your depression in your mind.

Sometimes being selfish is OK.
 
MotionMan said:
So you agree that you are a bad person if you think it is OK to fake a suicide attempt in a fashion that delays an entire region for hours?

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If you're "faking" a suicide attempt, then yes it's a bad thing to do, yes it's selfish. I can't decide if the person is a bad person purely based on that one act, I don't know the background. I personally don't know anyone who has faked a suicide attempt however.
 
HAL9000 said:
Yes it is selfish, yes others will suffer more than you will, but you aren't thinking about them, when you are that depressed your options are: Living a miserable life for maybe 60 years more (depending on your current age) or ending it now, getting out before, you're thinking surely my loved ones would rather deal with my death than watch me suffer the rest of my life. When you are that depressed there is no end to your depression in your mind.
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My point was that its a selfish thing to do. Which you seem to agree with but then you also said this:

...but then it's not just for you that you make that call it's for them as well...
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It's a selfish act. Period. End of story. The phone call, the ramp, the double-penetration horse sex doesn't matter (though the latter would make a great story).

HAL9000 said:
Sometimes being selfish is OK.
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I won't argue the reasoning for peoples' suicides. That's their choice and they have their own reasons. What I will say, though, is that every single suicide is a selfish act and I for one will not show any pity.
 
pelov said:
My point was that its a selfish thing to do. Which you seem to agree with but then you also said this:



It's a selfish act. Period. End of story. The phone call, the ramp, the double-penetration horse sex doesn't matter (though the latter would make a great story).



I won't argue the reasoning for peoples' suicides. That's their choice and they have their own reasons. What I will say, though, is that every single suicide is a selfish act and I for one will not show any pity.
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Yes it is selfish, but they are ill and not responsible for what they are doing. I'm not necessarily saying you should pity them, but you definitely shouldn't "cheer" or shout "jump" at them.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with being selfish sometimes. Sometimes a person needs to be selfish, it doesn't mean they should be met with hate.
 
HAL9000 said:
No, I didn't and not that I have to justify myself to MoronMan but I was helped by a police officer that talked me down.
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So you were faking. If you were really going to attempt suicide, you would have jumped before the cops ever had a chance to show up.

It was not a suicide attempt - it was a cry for help.

MotionMan
 
MotionMan said:
Did you jump?

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There's a difference between not following through because reasons and faking it. Faking it implies the intent was to deceive others which isn't necessarily true for all botched, unsuccessful or "maybe this really isn't a good idea" suicide attempts.

I've had a friend who attempted suicide via pills. She'd done this years before we met but it certainly wasn't a "Haha! I totally had you guys!" kind of thing.

The whole suicide thing is personal and people should keep it that way. I don't want to hear it, see it or be involved in any way whatsoever. I'm not a Kevorkian to help you pull it off nor am I a court-ordered psychiatrist to prescribe you pills. I'm a bystander who'd rather not know of it at all.
 
MotionMan said:
So you were faking. If you were really going to attempt suicide, you would have jumped before the cops ever had a chance to show up.

It was not a suicide attempt - it was a cry for help.

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FUCK YOU wise and beautiful woman

Yes I'll get an infraction for that, worth it.

I was a fucking suicide attempt you fucking useless waste of space. I was going to kill myself before a police officer talked me down, the only reason I hadn't done it before they got there was that there was a couple watching me and I didn't want them to see. So shut the fuck up, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about you moron. How dare you call me a "faker" you fucking moron. You have no fucking idea what I have to go through on a daily basis and this was the worst moment in my life that you're attempting to trivialise.

Fuck you.

I didn't want help I wanted to die.
 
HAL9000 said:
FUCK YOU wise and beautiful woman

Yes I'll get an infraction for that, worth it.

I was a fucking suicide attempt you fucking useless waste of space. I was going to kill myself before a police officer talked me down, the only reason I hadn't done it before they got there was that there was a couple watching me and I didn't want them to see. So shut the fuck up, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about you moron. How dare you call me a "faker" you fucking moron. You have no fucking idea what I have to go through on a daily basis and this was the worst moment in my life that you're attempting to trivialise.

Fuck you.

I didn't want help I wanted to die.
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Inb4infraction.
 
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