So with all this technology, how come we can't get a console w/native KB+M support?

[wuliheron]

You can already play games on your TV with any controller you want if you use a PC. Consoles are just cheap imitations and, evidently, there just isn't enough demand for adding the ability to use a keyboard and mouse on one. You buy cheap, you get cheap.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

For a corporate guy you sure have little understanding of the capitalist economy man, no offense...lol

Why would they allow you to use peripherals you already have when people will pay $50+ for multiple little plastic controllers that they'll break within a year or two and need to replace again?

 

[wuliheron]

For a corporate guy you sure have little understanding of the capitalist economy man, no offense...lol

Why would they allow you to use peripherals you already have when people will pay $50+ for multiple little plastic controllers that they'll break within a year or two and need to replace again?

That's just another aspect of you buy cheap, you get cheap. The cheaper it is the more often they think of stupid little ways to screw you.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Yeah, that's why I've decide to move back to mainly PC gaming. If I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars every year to play these games I may as well just use a PC and avoid all the annoying console issues PSN and Live offer.

 

[boshuter]

most people dont give a shit about kb/m on a console. the only people you hear cry about it are pc fanboys who don't want to learn the different input method, and are vastly in the vocal minority, and then cry about it because it is hard for them and they get owned.

I bet your mom and dad have one of those bumper stickers that say "my son is an honor student".

 

[mugs]

That's not the way it has to be, though. Pretty much any monitor you buy now has HDMI in, so you could easily put your PS3/360 on your desk hooked up to a keyboard and mouse if the developers enabled it. It'd be great to see a game come bundled with a keyboard and mouse to get things rolling. That way, the argument of they mouse and keyboard having an unfair advantage would go right out the window.

I don't think you understand why people play console games... If we wanted to play at a desk with a keyboard and mouse, we'd just play PC games.

 

[warcrow]

 

[PimpJuice]

Yeah, that's why I've decide to move back to mainly PC gaming. If I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars every year to play these games I may as well just use a PC and avoid all the annoying console issues PSN and Live offer.

lol you're funny

 

[wuliheron]

I don't think you understand why people play console games... If we wanted to play at a desk with a keyboard and mouse, we'd just play PC games.

Five year olds with computer illiterate parents play console games. Consoles are made to be cheap and idiot proof and any pc gamer can own a console as well. One isn't better then the other, just very different.

 

[mugs]

Five year olds with computer illiterate parents play console games. Consoles are made to be cheap and idiot proof and any pc gamer can own a console as well. One isn't better then the other, just very different.

So you're saying that five year olds with computer literate parents play console games - but also that PC gamers play console games. And what does this have to do with my comment that console gamers chose to play console games because we don't want to sit at a desk with a keyboard and mouse?

 

[purbeast0]

So you're saying that five year olds with computer literate parents play console games - but also that PC gamers play console games. And what does this have to do with my comment that console gamers chose to play console games because we don't want to sit at a desk with a keyboard and mouse?

PC gamers tend to be elitists, which this guy obviously is by the tone of his post.

 

[purbeast0]

I bet your mom and dad have one of those bumper stickers that say "my son is an honor student".

umad?

 

[Anubis]

most people dont give a shit about kb/m on a console. the only people you hear cry about it are pc fanboys who don't want to learn the different input method, and are vastly in the vocal minority, and then cry about it because it is hard for them and they get owned.

ive been saying that for years, least someone else agrees with me

 

[CountZero]

PC gamers tend to be elitists, which this guy obviously is by the tone of his post.

Yeah and the tone of your previous post wasn't at all elitist. "and then cry about it because it is hard for them and they get owned." yeah, pot meet kettle.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah and the tone of your previous post wasn't at all elitist. "and then cry about it because it is hard for them and they get owned." yeah, pot meet kettle.

what is wrong about what i stated? why do PC gamers complain about it?

it's usually because it's too hard for them to get used to and they don't want to have to adapt, and because it is too hard for them, they don't do very well at the game and get owned.

you never ever hear console gamers who haven't previously been pc gamers say "man this controller sucks for aiming, i wish i had a different input method that was more accurate." at least i've never ever seen that.

on the other hand, the fact that other guy said "only 5 year olds play consoles with computer illiterate parents play consoles", and the fact that this forum is full of pretty PC savy people who are, for the majority, well into their 20s nad 30s and even 40+, just shows you he was trying to put console gamers down.

 

[Corporate Thug]

For a corporate guy you sure have little understanding of the capitalist economy man, no offense...lol

Why would they allow you to use peripherals you already have when people will pay $50+ for multiple little plastic controllers that they'll break within a year or two and need to replace again?

Interestingly, I've had numerous xbox 360 die on me (I'm on my fourth), but never a controller! Now I have 4 functional controllers because I just kept one from each console.

Anyway, in terms of economics, I suppose they can make some proprietary stuff to milk it the same way they can milk current peripherals, no?

 

[CountZero]

what is wrong about what i stated? why do PC gamers complain about it?

it's usually because it's too hard for them to get used to and they don't want to have to adapt, and because it is too hard for them, they don't do very well at the game and get owned.

you never ever hear console gamers who haven't previously been pc gamers say "man this controller sucks for aiming, i wish i had a different input method that was more accurate." at least i've never ever seen that.

Your statement that it is too hard for them is inherently elitist. You are implying that pc gamers can't use a controller. It is a matter of preference not ability though you imply it is a matter of ability. Ergo when you talk about elitist PC gamers in the same breath as claiming they can't learn to use a controller you are the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[warcrow]

Five year olds with computer illiterate parents play console games. Consoles are made to be cheap and idiot proof and any pc gamer can own a console as well. One isn't better then the other, just very different.

I'm 36 year old with parents (I do not live with them thank you very much!) who are somewhat computer literate and I absolutely love console gaming.

I'm not sure why you think console games are made to be "cheap" considering some of the most expensive games ever made were console exclusives (Sehnmue = $70 mil, Too Human = $90 mil, Metal Gear Solid 4 = $60 Mil, Halo 3 = $60 mil, Killzone 2 = $40 Mil) so that's a fairly bad argument to make.

Look I'm a hardcore PC gamer, but your arguments are making us look bad. Besides, why does this have to be such a divisive argument? Why can't it just be about gaming. Games are fun, no matter what platform they're on. Relax and enjoy them instead of trying to make other feel bad about it.

 

[purbeast0]

Your statement that it is too hard for them is inherently elitist. You are implying that pc gamers can't use a controller. It is a matter of preference not ability though you imply it is a matter of ability. Ergo when you talk about elitist PC gamers in the same breath as claiming they can't learn to use a controller you are the pot calling the kettle black.

ok i see what you are saying.

but the issue i have with it is that there is no option to even use a kb/m combination on the console side of it, so it's not even in the set of preferences you can realistically use.

with fighters, you have the OPTION to use either a joystick or a control pad.

with racers you have the OPTION to use either a wheel or a control pad.

with FPS, you don't have any other options other than the controller.

as has been said in the other 10s of threads on this subject, nobody is saying kb/m isn't more accurate - it is, that is just a fact. but somehow everyone has managed just okay with the controller concept and adapted to it.

and your question has been answered already. microsoft does not allow devs to utilize kb/m support for in game stuff, other than allowing keyboard support for data input. and sony DOES allow devs to do it, just nobody does it, probably because the simple economics of it doesn't make it worth it.

so basically people who want a kb/m can either keep complaining woe is me about the whole situation on forums and not enjoy the games as they are designed to be played, or they can adapt to the best option they currently have.

or they can actually try to get in touch with devs and actually try to see what they will do about it, although that seems a lot harder to do than saying it.

 

[sigurros81]

ok i see what you are saying.

but the issue i have with it is that there is no option to even use a kb/m combination on the console side of it, so it's not even in the set of preferences you can realistically use.

with fighters, you have the OPTION to use either a joystick or a control pad.

with racers you have the OPTION to use either a wheel or a control pad.

with FPS, you don't have any other options other than the controller.

as has been said in the other 10s of threads on this subject, nobody is saying kb/m isn't more accurate - it is, that is just a fact. but somehow everyone has managed just okay with the controller concept and adapted to it.

and your question has been answered already. microsoft does not allow devs to utilize kb/m support for in game stuff, other than allowing keyboard support for data input. and sony DOES allow devs to do it, just nobody does it, probably because the simple economics of it doesn't make it worth it.

so basically people who want a kb/m can either keep complaining woe is me about the whole situation on forums and not enjoy the games as they are designed to be played, or they can adapt to the best option they currently have.

or they can actually try to get in touch with devs and actually try to see what they will do about it, although that seems a lot harder to do than saying it.

That pretty much sums it up. No need to turn this into a console gamers vs. pc gamers debate.

I like my mouse/keyboard, and if they have something like that for consoles, I may get it, but I think controllers are nice when you have friends over just chilling on the couch. It all comes down to preference, different strokes for different folks, I prefer controllers for racing games (I don't really give a shit about racing wheels), 3rd person actions like Just Cause 2, side scrollers, sports games. Mouse and Keyboard hands down dominate the FPS and RTS for me.

 

[RedRooster]

Playing shooters, I love the fact that the guy at the other end is using the exact same controller as me and destroying me. Maybe, by some miracle, I can be as good as him someday if I practice.
If I know the guy on the other end has a keyboard/mouse, I'm just gonna quit, cuz I'd have no chance.

 

[sao123]

This was all you had to say.

Consoles are designed to be used in the living room where a keyboard and mouse aren't easily or comfortably used. If you want a kb/mouse, then play on the PC.

/thread

 

[artemicion]

If you think KB/M support in consoles is an awesome idea, go do it. Dev a game for PS3. PS3 supports it. Wii supports at least a keyboard (Monster Hunter Tri). Hell, if it's such a great idea, get some investors together and invent the console that has KB/M support.

You could be the first to do it. If you're right and it is an awesome idea that everyone wants, you'll make millions.

I have no opinion one way or another whether you're right or wrong, but if you think you're smarter than Sony/Nintendo/MS and all the game developers who refuse to implement KB/M support in their games, go out and prove it, make bank, and be the guy that proved the industry wrong.

I'm gonna come off sounding like a jerk, but there are SO many threads in forums complaining about companies and their development strategies, marketing strategies, etc. Company X is horrible for implementing DRM. Music industry is evil for suing file sharers. Game developer is stupid for charging for online play. Console developer is stupid for charging for online play, for overpriced accessories, for proprietary accessories, for lack of whater support.

If you think they're stupid or wrong, get off your ass and prove it. Startup the company that advertises that they are DRM free. Start a recording company that advertises that they don't sue file sharers. Be the company that doesn't charge for online play. Invent the console that supports cheap, USB accessories and third party driver support.

If you're right, the free market will prove it. If you're SURE you're so right, you shouldn't be afraid to put your money where your mouth is (or ask a bunch of investors to put their money where your mouth is).

 

[Pia]

If you think KB/M support in consoles is an awesome idea, go do it. Dev a game for PS3. PS3 supports it. Wii supports at least a keyboard (Monster Hunter Tri). Hell, if it's such a great idea, get some investors together and invent the console that has KB/M support.

You could be the first to do it. If you're right and it is an awesome idea that everyone wants, you'll make millions.

I have no opinion one way or another whether you're right or wrong, but if you think you're smarter than Sony/Nintendo/MS and all the game developers who refuse to implement KB/M support in their games, go out and prove it, make bank, and be the guy that proved the industry wrong.

I'm gonna come off sounding like a jerk, but there are SO many threads in forums complaining about companies and their development strategies, marketing strategies, etc. Company X is horrible for implementing DRM. Music industry is evil for suing file sharers. Game developer is stupid for charging for online play. Console developer is stupid for charging for online play, for overpriced accessories, for proprietary accessories, for lack of whater support.

If you think they're stupid or wrong, get off your ass and prove it. Startup the company that advertises that they are DRM free. Start a recording company that advertises that they don't sue file sharers. Be the company that doesn't charge for online play. Invent the console that supports cheap, USB accessories and third party driver support.

If you're right, the free market will prove it. If you're SURE you're so right, you shouldn't be afraid to put your money where your mouth is (or ask a bunch of investors to put their money where your mouth is).

So, how many times have you taken your own advice? Whenever you go to a restaurant and get bad service, do you immediately find a bunch of investors, put up a restaurant of your own and outcompete the first restaurant?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

my bt keyboard/mouse works just fine with my ps3.