So will the democrats finally win one?

[bozack]

Having been here off and on for the past few election cycles I have seen this same scenerio play out again and again...first with Gore, then Kerry...always the same situation with the ATPN set, super liberal and behind the socialist candidate

Now though things are a bit different, the econ is in the crapper, people are worried about their retirements, there is no "war on terror" that worries anyone....This should be a slow pitch right down the plate softball grand slam for the dems..

So my question in the form of a pollage is (Not like I suspect the answer/outcome to be any kind of a surprise), can they pull it off? or will it be yet another upset like the past two?...and if it is an upset then really what does that say about the democratic party...

I know alot of people are putting up the air of a fat lady singing for McCain, but there is still about a month away....who knows what kind of rabbit the old man can pull out of his hat...

Thoughts and opinions always appreciated.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes they will win. And not just because of the economy, which can easily be spun as an anti-republican tool. They will win because Obama isn't a complete farce and because Bush has been -so bad- that to even run the risk of McCain being somewhat like him, many are willing to vote democrat this time. Then you have Obama increasing Black votes, and other factors, it's been fairly clear for months that he'd win. McCain is wasting his twilight years stressing over a lost cause. And debasing his repuation at the same time.

 

[Farang]

2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

 

[32fear]

The trouble with Obama isn't the support. It is getting that support to show up on November 4th.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yes they will win. And not just because of the economy, which can easily be spun as an anti-republican tool. They will win because Obama isn't a complete farce and because Bush has been -so bad- that to even run the risk of McCain being somewhat like him, many are willing to vote democrat this time. Then you have Obama increasing Black votes, and other factors, it's been fairly clear for months that he'd win. McCain is wasting his twilight years stressing over a lost cause. And debasing his repuation at the same time.

We wont find out if Obama is a farce until after.

Right now, how things are, its going to be awfully hard for Obama to be successful or get 1/10 of his promises delivered.

 

[andy04]

He will win bcoz most Americans think the America is ready for a Black prez... irrespective of his past, who he is or what he stands for and the other option is not bright either

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Farang
2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

I suspect it'll be a very close election, with McCain winning by a very slight majority. Exit polling, of course, will be nowhere near the actual vote tally and will heavily favor Obama.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: bozack
So my question in the form of a pollage is (Not like I suspect the answer/outcome to be any kind of a surprise), can they pull it off? or will it be yet another upset like the past two?...and if it is an upset then really what does that say about the democratic party...

The last 2 weren't really an upset though.

Obama will probably win; lets see how much different he is than Jimmy Carter.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Farang
2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

ZOMG BUSH BROUGHT DOWN TEH TOWERZ11!!!oneone

I know those left-wing conspiracy theories play well with the fringe, but most sensible people dont think elections are rigged.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: 32fear
The trouble with Obama isn't the support. It is getting that support to show up on November 4th.

Getting the kids outta' bed and sober is the problem, yes. Democrats are very bad about voting.... We need Marshall Dillon to round 'em all up and herd 'em in.

-Robert

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Farang
2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

ZOMG BUSH BROUGHT DOWN TEH TOWERZ11!!!oneone

I know those left-wing conspiracy theories play well with the fringe, but most sensible people dont think elections are rigged.

He did bring down the economy which is way worse than the towers.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: winnar111

The last 2 weren't really an upset though.

Obama will probably win; lets see how much different he is than Jimmy Carter.

whut you talkin bout willis??did you read these boards then...major upset both times

heck, last time I thought bush part deux was done fo shure....was funny watching the "bitch" tidal wave here after that bomb dropped

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Farang
2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

ZOMG BUSH BROUGHT DOWN TEH TOWERZ11!!!oneone

I know those left-wing conspiracy theories play well with the fringe, but most sensible people dont think elections are rigged.

Anywhere in the world.

 

[OrByte]

I dunno.

Someone should ask Diebold or whatever it is they call themselves these days.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: winnar111

The last 2 weren't really an upset though.

Obama will probably win; lets see how much different he is than Jimmy Carter.

whut you talkin bout willis??did you read these boards then...major upset both times

heck, last time I thought bush part deux was done fo shure....was funny watching the "bitch" tidal wave here after that bomb dropped

Meh, Bush was leading through the entire 2000 election.....and well, 2004, there wasn't much doubt.

Maybe some idiots predicted a Kerry landslide, but he was always Hillary's fall guy.

 

[Insomniator]

I think racism is still a big issue in this country and could cost Obama the election.

It would also be the only time I'll ever be happy about racism existing..

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I think racism is still a big issue in this country and could cost Obama the election.

It would also be the only time I'll ever be happy about racism existing..

I expect the exit polls to tell that story, regardless of the outcome.

 

[quest55720]

Yes Obama wins in a landslide. I just hope against hope the republicans can keep 41 seats in the senate. If not I can only imagine how much damage Pelosi/Obama will do with their radical left agenda.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720
Yes Obama wins in a landslide. I just hope against hope the republicans can keep 41 seats in the senate. If not I can only imagine how much damage Pelosi/Obama will do with their radical left agenda.

You keep mentioning this Pelosi/Obama person. I've never heard of such a thing. What's really strange is that you think the Speaker of the House would somehow exert control over the executive branch. All this shows is a shocking ignorance of how our system of government works, and just how much the system favors the executive.

News flash man: The Legislature is nearly completely powerless at this point. Pelosi will be pulling the strings of no one.

 

[jpeyton]

The Dems will have 55-58 seats in the Senate if they do well. I don't see them getting 60. And if they do, it's a political mandate from the people to undo the fuckups of the last 8 years.

EDIT: FiveThirtyEight just updated their model, and Obama just had his strongest polling day of the year.

The negative attacks are NOT working Surprise, surprise.

Their model now shows him at an ~89 point win percentage. Today's numbers include very strong results from NC, FL, an absolutely crushing result from NH, and double digit leads in VA and PA.

My Prediction: With a good performance Tuesday night, Obama can seal this election up. As we get closer to November 4th, voters solidify and become less susceptible to persuasion of any kind. McCain needs an overwhelmingly dominating performance Tuesday night to keep alive any sliver of hope he has to compete.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: quest55720
Yes Obama wins in a landslide. I just hope against hope the republicans can keep 41 seats in the senate. If not I can only imagine how much damage Pelosi/Obama will do with their radical left agenda.

You keep mentioning this Pelosi/Obama person. I've never heard of such a thing. What's really strange is that you think the Speaker of the House would somehow exert control over the executive branch. All this shows is a shocking ignorance of how our system of government works, and just how much the system favors the executive.

News flash man: The Legislature is nearly completely powerless at this point. Pelosi will be pulling the strings of no one.

Pelosi/Reid will send the bills to Obama to sign. Obama does not have the guts to stand up to his party. He won't veto any bill they send no matter how bad. Pelosi/Reid will have free reign of this country if the democrats get 60 seats. Obama will rubber stamp what ever they send. We will get a repeat of the first 6 years of bush and it will be the same disaster.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I think racism is still a big issue in this country and could cost Obama the election.

It would also be the only time I'll ever be happy about racism existing..

I think you have the "voting due to skin color" thing mixed up on this one

 

[MovingTarget]

I would think so. However, as in 2004, if there is one party that can screw up the chances they have by having Bush on scene, it is the democrats. I'll believe that the dems can when when I see it.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I think racism is still a big issue in this country and could cost Obama the election.

Highly unlikely, but I understand your need to hold onto hope.

It would also be the only time I'll ever be happy about racism existing..

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[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Pelosi/Reid will send the bills to Obama to sign. Obama does not have the guts to stand up to his party. He won't veto any bill they send no matter how bad. Pelosi/Reid will have free reign of this country if the democrats get 60 seats. Obama will rubber stamp what ever they send. We will get a repeat of the first 6 years of bush and it will be the same disaster.

The thing is that I know you aren't joking, because you keep writing this. The first 6 years of Bush came about due to a party with a high degree of ideological discipline controlling all 3 branches of government. In this case, as has been the case for nearly the entirety of American history, but far more so now, it was the executive that dominated the legislature, not the other way around. This is due to institutional factors that have arisen over the last 230-odd years.

Your idea that somehow the Congress will dominate the presidency is absolutely absurd. As I said before, all it shows is that you don't know very much about how our government functions.