So why should I go AM2?

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
The two are releasing very close to each other and Conroe seems to have the performance advantage as well as running cooler. Am I missing on some advantage that goes to AMD?

AMD may be cheaper for performance, especially when taking overclocking into account. If Conroe requires expensive motherboards or ram to get good performance while overclocking, that could hurt it's performance per buck.

BTW, Conroe looks like it will be the first Intel processor line since the Pentium 2, that upon introduction outperforms anything AMD has to offer.

 

[robertk2012]

The pentium 3 wasnt bad and the pentium trounced any mobile offering amd had. Even if you have to spend 100 more on a motherboard you are still better off with a conroe and the ram will be about the same.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: AMD K5
I am going with AM2 because my sempron 64-2800 was such a good chip and the AMD platform its self is Extremely Stable. I don?t care about 20% performance difference I care about stability and features? plus the AMD platform has the better virtualization tech. and the option to upgrade to K8L which will most likely outperform Conroe...

WTF!!!????

 

[AMD K5]

AMD's virtualization Tech will be able to do things with hardware that Intel will have to rely on software to do...

http://theinq.net/?article=23721

And the K8L also supports DDR2 Memory so all AMD will have to do is fit it in the AM2 Socket?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2388

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: AMD K5
AMD's virtualization Tech will be able to do things with hardware that Intel will have to rely on software to do...

http://theinq.net/?article=23721

And the K8L also supports DDR2 Memory so all AMD will have to do is fit it in the AM2 Socket?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2388

LOL. if you can explain exactly what those differences are technically and how you will benefit from them, then sure, I believe ya. Also, VT as it exists now is already outdated, so whenever pacifica comes out, VT2 will be there. Or VT3, heh.

I have no clue what you are talking about with "stability" and the DDR2 thing.

So why will "K8L will most likely outperform conroe"? Actually, for AMD's sake I hope it does, because if not, they're in really deep trouble.

 

[evenmore1]

what do you have now? Is it good enough? So why should you go a upgrade path? Just something to consider...

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: dmens
You obviously have been paying no attention, because the people over at XS have been running merom/conroe tests for the past couple months outside of "intel supervision". That and the fact that anand's original benches from IDF were conservative against conroe to begin with, hahaha.

Then there's the crazy statement about the chipsets, 3-4 months wtf? The release dates have been announced for weeks. And it's not like AMD supplies the public with their inventory details, so why'd you expect intel to do the same regarding supply volume of future products. LOL.

I wonder if that dude can ever end a sentence without "hahaha" or "LOL" or "ROFL". How old are you again?

Old enough to know enough to debunk all the crap flying around these forums. LOL!

p.s. I've never used ROFL, but I might pick that up just for you.

 

[Absolute0]

No reason to get AM2 until K8L comes out. Don't buy it now, revision 1 motherboard for a new socket are always Teh Yuck.

Socket 939 is doing great right now and of course, Conroe in 1.5 months is going to be a big hit. 3.5+ Ghz on air FTW.

 

[Skott]

It shouldnt be suprising if Conroe is better than the AM2 afterall, not like Intel was gonna let AMD have the glory for long. Did anyone really think Intel was going to roll over and die? Nor will AMD roll over and die once the Conroe comes out. These two companies are constantly locked in a leap frogging fight so they will trade title of 'Best/Fastest' as time goes on. Which is great for us consumers because healthy competition helps us.

I have to upgrade this year. Probably this summer or possibly fall. Depending on monetary supply. Right now I'm leaning towards AMD but its very dependent on what Conroe can and will do. It also depends on what other companies do too. I have to consider what mobos and RAM modules i'll have to choose from and what kind of performance they can provide me in addition to the processors. I'll want to overclock so thats another thing I have to consider when making a choice. So its not all based on just AMD AM2 and Intel Conroe. At least not for me.

But as it was said a couple times above... lets wait and see what the individual benchies and reviewers tell us about these new products.

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

Originally posted by: AMD K5
AMD's virtualization Tech will be able to do things with hardware that Intel will have to rely on software to do...

http://theinq.net/?article=23721

And the K8L also supports DDR2 Memory so all AMD will have to do is fit it in the AM2 Socket?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2388

1) the inquirer article is from June 2005 and is outdated. Technology changes real fast. Also, the article is from the inquirer so the credibility of it is susceptible to questioning. Also the article does not mention any direct comparison between virtualization on AM2 processors and Conroe processors so your claims of virtualization being better on AM2 processors is not proven.

2)Just because K8L supports DDR2 memory does not mean it'll work on AM2 motherboards. Conroe supports DDR2 memory but it won't work on numerous existing Intel motherboards that support DDR2. Nowhere in the article did it say that K8L will work on AM2 motherboards.

The article did say that "Unlike Deerhound, Greyhound will use the K8L architecture, and all the goodies that come with it, including the 5.2GT/s HyperTransport support. Unless AMD's plans change drastically between now and 2008, the processors will require a new socket."

therefore looks like your claim of k8L working on AM2 motherboards is also false.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD

Originally posted by: AMD K5
AMD's virtualization Tech will be able to do things with hardware that Intel will have to rely on software to do...

http://theinq.net/?article=23721

And the K8L also supports DDR2 Memory so all AMD will have to do is fit it in the AM2 Socket?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2388

1) the inquirer article is from June 2005 and is outdated. Technology changes real fast. Also, the article is from the inquirer so the credibility of it is susceptible to questioning. Also the article does not mention any direct comparison between virtualization on AM2 processors and Conroe processors so your claims of virtualization being better on AM2 processors is not proven.

2)Just because K8L supports DDR2 memory does not mean it'll work on AM2 motherboards. Conroe supports DDR2 memory but it won't work on numerous existing Intel motherboards that support DDR2. Nowhere in the article did it say that K8L will work on AM2 motherboards.

The article did say that "Unlike Deerhound, Greyhound will use the K8L architecture, and all the goodies that come with it, including the 5.2GT/s HyperTransport support. Unless AMD's plans change drastically between now and 2008, the processors will require a new socket."

therefore looks like your claim of k8L working on AM2 motherboards is also false.

2) Here's one from April of this year link. It is talking about the dual core K8L...
"The part will, unsurprisingly, use the upcoming Socket AM2 interconnect"
While I agree this isn't a "lock" for compatability, AMD has earned a much superior reputation for backwards compatability vs. Intel...for instance, the AMD dual cores slipped right in to the 939 motherboards and the Opteron DC did the same with the 940s...
Intel required a chipset revision for dual core, and a new mobo spec for Conroe.

Some have asked why AMDs K8L would be superior to Conroe if the cores functioned about the same...
The answer is that if the cores are equivalent, the much lower latency of the on-die Northbridge on K8L will give AMD a substantial advantage when it's released...

The bottom line though is we don't know about Conroe, K8L, or even AM2 for that matter.
I don't know how many of you recall the RDRAM release, but the pre-release systems were being shown as absolutely amazing. It was cancelled 1 week before release (and after over 1.5 million mobos had already been shipped to OEMs)!!!
I don't expect that here, but my point is that until we see any chip sourced from an actual retail environment and benchmarked thouroughly by a known reviewer, we really don't know how it will perform...

 

[pcoffman]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Conroe seems to have the performance advantage as well as running cooler

AMD also has some Energy Efficient and Energy Efficient Small Form Factor Socket-AM2 chips that appear to have about the same TDP as desktop & mobile Core 2 Duo. So Core 2 may not necessarily run cooler. Of course, performance still goes to Core 2, if that's all you care about.

 

[gobucks]

It sounds like Conroes are gonna be hard to come by this year. The majority of chips Intel makes will be Core Duos, not Core 2's, which means they will more than likely be relegated to high end gaming machines and will cost an arm and a leg. After all, if they give people an option to buy a $200 core duo or core 2 duo, they'll obviously choose the latter, so they need to take away that option for most people.

Sure AM2 is a letdown, but as soon as conroe takes the performance crown back, AMD will drop prices like back when they lost out to Northwood back with the Athlon XP.