Most likely wont happen until the PPU becomes a standard requirement. Similar to how hardware T&L is required, and many games even require at least SM1.1 shaders, and just about any card you buy today will meet the miminum required specs. Until that happens (if it happens) game developers will have to code games that will run acceptably with or without a PPU.
Now thats crazy talk all it means is that the CPU has one less task to handle. This could lead to better AI or any number of other things. Game developers will try to suck as many clockcycles from a CPU as humanly possible for the sole purpose of improving one thing or another.
There will always be uses for High end CPUs, GPU and sound card. Same thing will apply to the PPU.
I for one will be more than glad to buy whatever option offered to increade physics. While I think graphics could be better in my opinion if we bettered graphics only a little bit and offered more real world phycis in a sense that would also improve on the graphical sense as well.
Imagine BF2 where the dust particles come falling down as a grenade goes off or if a grenade goes off in the grass all the soil and grass comes flying out all over the place. That will also bring a new life to the graphics.
I dunno about you but if we were to have a new battlefield game in 2 years I wouldnt mind have the same graphics and having the whole scenario of karkland change after a match. Buildings with sides blown out debrs everywhere maybe even some body parts laying around.
While graphics are important I cant count the times Ive seen counter strike players shooting computers and desks and having a grand time because they break. Also physics will have a greater impact on players skills. Players depend on certain points for cover while they shoot up players. Cars for instance if a tank comes in and takes that car out of the equation the player now has to come up with a new strategy.
I dunno maybe im taking the physics to a whole new level that wont be possible for some time but if people embrace these ideas they will come faster than we know. I just feel everyone who has negative feelings minds will change when they see this being implemented to a more extreme and in order to do that we need to embrace these technologies.
Imagine BF2 where the dust particles come falling down as a grenade goes off or if a grenade goes off in the grass all the soil and grass comes flying out all over the place. That will also bring a new life to the graphics.
I dunno about you but if we were to have a new battlefield game in 2 years I wouldnt mind have the same graphics and having the whole scenario of karkland change after a match. Buildings with sides blown out debrs everywhere maybe even some body parts laying around.
While graphics are important I cant count the times Ive seen counter strike players shooting computers and desks and having a grand time because they break. Also physics will have a greater impact on players skills. Players depend on certain points for cover while they shoot up players. Cars for instance if a tank comes in and takes that car out of the equation the player now has to come up with a new strategy.
I dunno maybe im taking the physics to a whole new level that wont be possible for some time but if people embrace these ideas they will come faster than we know. I just feel everyone who has negative feelings minds will change when they see this being implemented to a more extreme and in order to do that we need to embrace these technologies.
Wow, all good thoughts. Hehe especially the body parts laying around.
You sneak up on your foe- do you go for the knife kill? No way! You beat him to death over the head with the seperated leg you found in the alley!! :Q
I would never leave a game where i could beat my opponents with my lastly defeated opponents body part.
no headshot could ever say owned in such a beautiful and artistic way.
The CPU can handle it, just not nearly as well, or to the same level as a seperate card.
Physics calculations are very small calculations that are required to be run over and over again. CPU's just arent optimised for this sort of thing, and wouldnt be able to make the same number of calculations. The physics could be better if they ran on an entire core of the CPU, but still nowhere near the standard they would be on dedicated hardware.
Physics calculations are very small calculations that are required to be run over and over again. CPU's just arent optimised for this sort of thing, and wouldnt be able to make the same number of calculations. The physics could be better if they ran on an entire core of the CPU, but still nowhere near the standard they would be on dedicated hardware.
So games can advance to the next level?
like was said before...
so many people have said.. we will never need that....
and look what happened..
640k? wow who would ever need more...
A secondary video graphics processor? let alone 2! why would we need that...
for a bunch of geeks yall sure are dumb and closeminded when it comes to technology..
just last year we had people saying youll never need more than a gig of ram on windows...
lol...
I swear some of you are very closed minded for people that bleed cutting edge...
250 bucks.. please for most people they spend more than that on food for 2 weeks.
and this is a device that would last for years.
My thoughts exactally! Being the first generation of the hardware means itll probably stick around for at least a little while before it gets replaced and needs and upgrade.
The first Voodoo lasted a heck of a lot longer than my 7800GT!
Me personally I would like to see it get replaced sooner than later, because if that is the case it means developers need more power. Imagine PPU SLI
This will be solved by the PPU, the idea now is that your cpu does all the physics, so everyone is developing to the lowest common denominator, celerons and semprons that are sold at sams club for $750
What the PPU will bring is a dev kit and platform that supports BOTH software and hardware physics, just like software rendering in old games.
One thing Ageia is insisiting is that physics features can be added to the card through drivers and firmware, and it wont have a fast cycle like graphics cards do. Itll be more like sound cards are today.
Because its a very very parrallel task, PhysX, much like a GPU, has multiple execution units for doing a ton of things in parrallel. Physics also requires far more bandwidth than what is available as system memory today.
Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
Me personally I would like to see it get replaced sooner than later, because if that is the case it means developers need more power. Imagine PPU SLI
Depends what they want to do.
The videos we've seen so far are only using a fraction of the power on offer.
Of course you can push physics to insane levels if you want to, you could create every scene as a series at atoms that react with eachother
But i think for the time being at least, things are going to be material based, and should react fairly realistically. Realistically, itll probably take a few years for developers to get the most out of the first generation of hardware, before they start pushing for an upgraded version.
Again, it has nothing to do with being able to handle it. It has everything to do with handling it effeciently. Why are people not understanding this simple concept? Do you still want software rendered graphics? Well, that is where we would be with this stupid anti PPU stuff if the it was done with the GPU back then.
Why does everyone think the solution is dual core? quad core? That is a brute force approach and is stupid. Get a PPU, pay 200 bucks and free up 50% of the CPU to handle AI while the PPU takes the game to an entire new level.
I guess I am having a hard time figuring out why people are so anti PPU. I just do not understand it, especially this being a tech forum. If you still want to play Doom3 for the next 10 years fine, but don't bring try and hold us back who want gaming to continue to the next level.
Comparing the PPU to the Voodoo vs CPU graphics is a completely different issue. Physics involves crunching a lot of math, something that the CPU and the PPU are both designed for. The CPU was never designed for graphics, and that we needed a dedicated video card with adequate pixel pushing power was only a logical step forward.
CPU wasnt solely designed to crunch physics calculations either. This is the next logical step forward for game physics.
Originally posted by: Avalon
I want to see some reviews on this thing as far as the impact on gaming performance with/without it goes.
I would too, but dont forget that hardware accelerated mode will have a LOT more complexity and accuracy in the same scene, so youre not really comparing apples to apples. If it maintains performance, or increases it at all, id consider it a total success.
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