So why does windows 7 use less memory and run faster?

[wwswimming]

Windows 7 sounds like XP.

having used XP on a 2.2 GHz Athlon 64, i know it's FAST.

i just bought a laptop with a 2 GHz Athlon 64 - running Vista. it's SLOW.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: FHDelux
Windows 7 = Vista SP2.

Try them both for a while, since both betas are available to the public, and then get back to us. My experience so far is that they're quite different, and I don't even get to play with the really important goodies like enterprise deployment features.

I'm with you on this one. It smacks of entitlement to say something like Win7 = Vista SP2.

Since Service Packs are free updates to the OS, by saying that Win7 is no better than the equivalent of SP2 for Vista, then they are saying that it should be dirt cheap or free.

Just because Microsoft actually seems to be releasing a major update in a timely manner doesn't mean that they are going to drop the price.

Vista was screwed up. Mostly in the media, and the whole Vista Capable thing. I never really had an issue with it beyond the RAM requirements vs XP. But at the time I only had 1 GB RAM. With 2GB+ you are just fine in Vista. As others have said, RAM is cheap, get more, be happy.

Win 7 feels like a very significant step forward for Windows. For the first time, it feels like it is living up to its namesake and actually has really good window management. 2.5 years on OS X has shown me that there are other ways to do things beyond Alt+Tab and the taskbar, and I think that Win 7 is one of those other ways. Jump Lists, the glass windows when you are going through the live previews... these are all great things that yes, could be in Vista, but they aren't.

 

[T0E0C0H]

From http://windowshelp.microsoft.com

"Preventing low memory problems
When your computer does not have enough memory for all the actions it is trying to perform, Windows and your programs can stop working. To help prevent information loss, Windows will notify you when your computer is low on memory. You can also learn to recognize the signs of low memory and take steps to prevent the problem."

very helpful one if u experiencing memory problems , as long as Vista is ur OS ...

http://windowshelp.microsoft.c...-773c167c61e21033.mspx

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: 4537256
now if MS would make it so you can run Live CD for testing/troubleshooting, would be very nice indeed

They do for the enterprise IT market. It is called Windows PE. If you have a old XP CD laying around, there is a easy to use program to build your own XP live CD called BartPE.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Guess what I'm idling at with 8GB on Viata 64... about 50% - but I have not rebooted in a LONG time. But you know what? I really do not care at all, because the machine is still smooth. So... 400MB, or 4GB at idle, I could care less right now.

 

[plion]

Wait, so is superfetch or whatever gone in win7?

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: plion
Wait, so is superfetch or whatever gone in win7?

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
Guess what I'm idling at with 8GB on Viata 64... about 50% - but I have not rebooted in a LONG time. But you know what? I really do not care at all, because the machine is still smooth. So... 400MB, or 4GB at idle, I could care less right now.

Yeah well go install viata 64 on a netbook or cheap laptop, come back and tell me how it runs :roll:

 

[Absolution75]

I almost guarantee everyone who says W7 is faster than vista is comparing a vista install they've had on their pc for over 6 months to a clean install of W7.

Its kernel 6.1 for a reason, a minor release.

Also, vista runs great on my 1.6ghz core2duo laptop, albeit it has 2gb of ram. It ran like crap when it had 512MB of ram (so would XP).

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Absolution75
I almost guarantee everyone who says W7 is faster than vista is comparing a vista install they've had on their pc for over 6 months to a clean install of W7.

Its kernel 6.1 for a reason, a minor release.

Also, vista runs great on my 1.6ghz core2duo laptop, albeit it has 2gb of ram. It ran like crap when it had 512MB of ram (so would XP).

:thumbsup:

I just reinstalled Vista after testing Win 7 for A few days and I just can not see any difference in performance on this computer between the two. On really old hardware it might make a difference, but on a dual core set up such as this there is no difference in overall performance. I like many of the enhancements on Win 7 like Libraries, but can not see spending more money to upgrade a existing Vista machine to Win 7.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: plion
Wait, so is superfetch or whatever gone in win7?

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
Guess what I'm idling at with 8GB on Viata 64... about 50% - but I have not rebooted in a LONG time. But you know what? I really do not care at all, because the machine is still smooth. So... 400MB, or 4GB at idle, I could care less right now.

Yeah well go install viata 64 on a netbook or cheap laptop, come back and tell me how it runs :roll:

Installing Vista or even Win7 on an old hardware ie old laptop is a crime in itself ,I agree with Win7 being better for older systems however on any decent systems there is nothing wrong with Vista and remember Vista is 2 years old now so you are talking old systems, FYI I'm still using Vista on an old socket 939 motherboard(X2 3800+) so old and nothing special( runs Vista fast and just fine) ,unfortunately some people don't want to spend money on new hardware or upgrading but will on new OS or use a piracy copy of a new operating system,(go and figure).

Also lot of FUD still going around even now about Vista, sad but very true.

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

You are just jumping to conclusions again like more of your posts about what Microsoft are doing and especially Vista,stick to facts and not FUD.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Mem
I love vista it runs great for me etc etc blah blah

Yes youve said this several times before in this thread, im well aware of it your love affair with vista, im happy for you i really am. :roll: Vista runs well for you... yeah me too, want a medal?

Originally posted by: Mem
You are just jumping to conclusions again like more of your posts about what Microsoft are doing and especially Vista,stick to facts and not FUD.

Ugh... Product A has a bad reputation, its reasonable to assume that product B would be marketed playing up the differences in product B rather than the strengths in product B that were also included in product A and also heavily associated with product A.

You dont market somthing new and associate it with the old product that wasent well recieved thats stupid. Besides the guy just asked if superfetch was there or not, i told him yes, why does he not know? Why did i have to google it? Its not a major selling point for windows 7, thats why, its not all "superfetch" and "readyboost" this time around. Those things are old selling points, vista associated selling points. Its "new task bar" and "faster" and maybe "better UI" from what i can see, and from what i can tell from using it.

FYI win7 runs better in old laptops than vista ever did.

 

[Aberforth]

Windows 7 is same as Vista but with an updated kernel and UI. It's really sad how people look at these things, you have an OS with a new name which is almost same as Vista SP1- you might even call it Mojave and you suddenly start praising it or fall in love with it, people love to jump on the bandwagon isn't it? I think MS knows this, they know half the tech world are full of idiots to believe anything that's shown, Windows 7 is not vista done right because there is nothing wrong with Vista in the first place, whenever there is MS involved people always blow it out of proportion whether it's good or bad, it's against public mood to take side with Microsoft. Now both Apple and Microsoft have taken up cheap 3rd grade sedative marketing techniques to promote their products..Do I give a Damn if I am a PC or a MAC? All I care is if I can bring home a beacon with the OS I use.

Every OS comes with it's own share of problems, people ought to realize this. Come on, so much experience with Windows but so little knowledge gained.....its so pathetic. The main problems with Vista was the Driver issues and Software compatibility. Vista comes with a new driver model which is essential to take advantage of the new generation hardware- now if companies don't write good drivers or if they are incompetent it's not Microsoft's fault. As a developer myself-I've spent hundreds of hours writing and testing drivers for windows vista and I'm not complaining.......btw Windows 7 is a FINE OS, but nothing to be hyped about- I'll buy it when it's out.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
I love vista it runs great for me etc etc blah blah

Yes youve said this several times before in this thread, im well aware of it your love affair with vista, im happy for you i really am. :roll: Vista runs well for you... yeah me too, want a medal?

Originally posted by: Mem
You are just jumping to conclusions again like more of your posts about what Microsoft are doing and especially Vista,stick to facts and not FUD.

Ugh... Product A has a bad reputation, its reasonable to assume that product B would be marketed playing up the differences in product B rather than the strengths in product B that were also included in product A and also heavily associated with product A.

You dont market somthing new and associate it with the old product that wasent well recieved thats stupid. Besides the guy just asked if superfetch was there or not, i told him yes, why does he not know? Why did i have to google it? Its not a major selling point for windows 7, thats why, its not all "superfetch" and "readyboost" this time around. Those things are old selling points, vista associated selling points. Its "new task bar" and "faster" and maybe "better UI" from what i can see, and from what i can tell from using it.

FYI win7 runs better in old laptops than vista ever did.

Actually my favorite OS was DOS 6.22 so you don't know me that well,as to Windows 7 where have I said it was a bad OS or did not run better on older systems..This may shock you but most Vista users did not go for Vista because of Readyboost or superfetch,personally I wanted a change from XP and I like the look/security of Vista and DX10 for gaming, Win7 is something of a sideways improvement in some areas on Vista and forward improvement in other areas but not enough of a change for me to spend my money on upgrading.


Obviously you think Win7 is like GOD or something like the 2nd coming,to me its just another OS like Vista,XP,2K and the rest.
Again Vista a bad product hmm no,lot of FUD from some users etc was the problem with Vista,you can argue it was designed for modern hardware buts thats not a fault,if you want to stick with old hardware then why upgrade your OS in the first place.
Win8 is what I'm waiting for,again its supposed to be a major change from Vista and Win7 ,not lets tweak Vista throw in a few new features and let them upgrade(to me its only slight improvement on Vista).

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Mem
This may shock you but most Vista users did not go for Vista because of Readyboost or superfetch,personally I wanted a change from XP and I like the look/security of Vista and DX10 for gaming, Win7 is something of a sideways improvement in some areas on Vista and forward improvement in other areas but not enough of a change for me to spend my money on upgrading.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD... :roll:

Originally posted by: Mem
Obviously you think Win7 is like GOD or something like the 2nd coming,to me its just another OS like Vista,XP,2K and the rest.
Again Vista a bad product hmm no,lot of FUD from some users etc was the problem with Vista,you can argue it was designed for modern hardware buts thats not a fault,if you want to stick with old hardware then why upgrade your OS in the first place.
Win8 is what I'm waiting for,again its supposed to be a major change from Vista and Win7 ,not lets tweak Vista throw in a few new features and let them upgrade(to me its only slight improvement on Vista).

Obviously you missed the entire point of this thread as you have been spoiling for an arguement since your first reply to me. Its an OS... i dont get emotionally attached to the OS that runs on my computer :roll: Vista, XP whatever, im saying windows 7 brings some nice things to the table and its definately better than vista was. You on the other hand dont seem to like it, fine stick with vista like i said before i really dont give a toss what you do.

Lets get this clear, vista was not well recieved. People dont just make up stuff to spite MS.... ive been over this in another thread before, im not retreading this again, if you think the windows vista launch was a huge success and its a good product thats been recieved well by the market its aimed at (the opposite of what im saying) then its lucky you dont work in marketing.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
This may shock you but most Vista users did not go for Vista because of Readyboost or superfetch,personally I wanted a change from XP and I like the look/security of Vista and DX10 for gaming, Win7 is something of a sideways improvement in some areas on Vista and forward improvement in other areas but not enough of a change for me to spend my money on upgrading.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD... :roll:

Originally posted by: Mem
Obviously you think Win7 is like GOD or something like the 2nd coming,to me its just another OS like Vista,XP,2K and the rest.
Again Vista a bad product hmm no,lot of FUD from some users etc was the problem with Vista,you can argue it was designed for modern hardware buts thats not a fault,if you want to stick with old hardware then why upgrade your OS in the first place.
Win8 is what I'm waiting for,again its supposed to be a major change from Vista and Win7 ,not lets tweak Vista throw in a few new features and let them upgrade(to me its only slight improvement on Vista).

Obviously you missed the entire point of this thread as you have been spoiling for an arguement since your first reply to me. Its an OS... i dont get emotionally attached to the OS that runs on my computer :roll: Vista, XP whatever, im saying windows 7 brings some nice things to the table and its definately better than vista was. You on the other hand dont seem to like it, fine stick with vista like i said before i really dont give a toss what you do.

Lets get this clear, vista was not well recieved. People dont just make up stuff to spite MS.... ive been over this in another thread before, im not retreading this again, if you think the windows vista launch was a huge success and its a good product thats been recieved well by the market its aimed at (the opposite of what im saying) then its lucky you dont work in marketing.

You started this ie

im well aware of it your love affair with vista,

however again you missed the point what I said about Win7 with that cheap remark.

I say it again so you know its clear , its not enough of an improvement over Vista IMHO and for the record no OS is perfect that includes XP,Vista and ANY OS you care to meantion and yes I have Win7 beta so its not like I'm just making this up,the main point is Win7 good enough for me to upgrade and spend my money on?..No is he simple answer if you get it on a new system (pre-installed)great but as you know biggest improvement in Win7 is on older systems that has trouble running Vista.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD..

When you start speaking and assuming what Microsoft are doing then its FUD, ie

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

Unless you work for Microsoft and know their true plans then don't assume you know what they are exactly doing or thinking,the above statement goes for any OS not just Vista,I was correcting you on that remark.As to Vista yes it has had mixed response but a lot of the FUD on top etc never helped, however as we know it does not mean its a bad OS...Microsoft clearly stated they are going back to a 3 year OS cycle anyway so Vista's time and even Win7 days are going to be numbered just like any OS.

I'm not looking for an argument incorrect conclusion by you,however we agree on one thing and thats Win7 beta does run older systems better then Vista.
Roll on Win8 the OS I'm looking forward for too.

For the record I don't think Win7 is bad just not enough of an improvement for me to upgrade at this time,does not mean I'm a Vista lover or anything like that,just when it comes to money I spend it wisely and want value for money,last thing I want to say is lets keep this civil.

 

[mechBgon]

Lets get this clear, vista was not well recieved.

Have a look at Steam's monthly surveys for a few months running. Combining 32-bit and 64-bit versions of both, the ratio of Vista to WinXP users is now 1 to 2.1. Vista's popularity is climbing by the month. Maybe it would be fair to say Vista wasn't well-received by the press. It's amazing how virulently anti-Vista they are at certain websites I could mention.

Anyway, if Vista has to be perceived as the demon so that Windows 7 can be perceived as the angel, that's fine. It still gets people out of the Win95-style model where they're unnecessarily running everything at full Admin privilege level.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
This may shock you but most Vista users did not go for Vista because of Readyboost or superfetch,personally I wanted a change from XP and I like the look/security of Vista and DX10 for gaming, Win7 is something of a sideways improvement in some areas on Vista and forward improvement in other areas but not enough of a change for me to spend my money on upgrading.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD... :roll:

Originally posted by: Mem
Obviously you think Win7 is like GOD or something like the 2nd coming,to me its just another OS like Vista,XP,2K and the rest.
Again Vista a bad product hmm no,lot of FUD from some users etc was the problem with Vista,you can argue it was designed for modern hardware buts thats not a fault,if you want to stick with old hardware then why upgrade your OS in the first place.
Win8 is what I'm waiting for,again its supposed to be a major change from Vista and Win7 ,not lets tweak Vista throw in a few new features and let them upgrade(to me its only slight improvement on Vista).

Obviously you missed the entire point of this thread as you have been spoiling for an arguement since your first reply to me. Its an OS... i dont get emotionally attached to the OS that runs on my computer :roll: Vista, XP whatever, im saying windows 7 brings some nice things to the table and its definately better than vista was. You on the other hand dont seem to like it, fine stick with vista like i said before i really dont give a toss what you do.

Lets get this clear, vista was not well recieved. People dont just make up stuff to spite MS.... ive been over this in another thread before, im not retreading this again, if you think the windows vista launch was a huge success and its a good product thats been recieved well by the market its aimed at (the opposite of what im saying) then its lucky you dont work in marketing.

You started this ie

im well aware of it your love affair with vista,

however again you missed the point what I said about Win7 with that cheap remark.

I say it again so you know its clear , its not enough of an improvement over Vista IMHO and for the record no OS is perfect that includes XP,Vista and ANY OS you care to meantion and yes I have Win7 beta so its not like I'm just making this up,the main point is Win7 good enough for me to upgrade and spend my money on?..No is he simple answer if you get it on a new system (pre-installed)great but as you know biggest improvement in Win7 is on older systems that has trouble running Vista.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD..

When you start speaking and assuming what Microsoft are doing then its FUD, ie

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

Unless you work for Microsoft and know their true plans then don't assume you know what they are exactly doing or thinking,the above statement goes for any OS not just Vista,I was correcting you on that remark.As to Vista yes it has had mixed response but a lot of the FUD on top etc never helped, however as we know it does not mean its a bad OS...Microsoft clearly stated they are going back to a 3 year OS cycle anyway so Vista's time and even Win7 days are going to be numbered just like any OS.

I'm not looking for an argument incorrect conclusion by you,however we agree on one thing and thats Win7 beta does run older systems better then Vista.
Roll on Win8 the OS I'm looking forward for too.

For the record I don't think Win7 is bad just not enough of an improvement for me to upgrade at this time,does not mean I'm a Vista lover or anything like that,just when it comes to money I spend it wisely and want value for money,last thing I want to say is lets keep this civil.

No i dont spread FUD as you call it i make reasonable assumptions, if you dont agree with them, well again i say i dont give a toss what you think, ill continue to make reasonable assumptions. All you have accomplished here is totally dragging this thread off topic. I can look at every single post of yours in this thread and what does it add to it? ah heck all. Mem can you tell me why windows 7 uses less memory and runs snappier than vista? No you cant, your posts are as irrelivent to me as your views on vista are.

Do you want me to start a new thread for you? Call it "Mems views on vista and windows 7, money well spent etc etc blah blah"?? Because thats where all your BS belongs, another thread, its totally irrelivent to this one. Luckily various other people answered the original question and ive got some idea why win7 uses less ram than vista despite being very similar under the hood.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
This may shock you but most Vista users did not go for Vista because of Readyboost or superfetch,personally I wanted a change from XP and I like the look/security of Vista and DX10 for gaming, Win7 is something of a sideways improvement in some areas on Vista and forward improvement in other areas but not enough of a change for me to spend my money on upgrading.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD... :roll:

Originally posted by: Mem
Obviously you think Win7 is like GOD or something like the 2nd coming,to me its just another OS like Vista,XP,2K and the rest.
Again Vista a bad product hmm no,lot of FUD from some users etc was the problem with Vista,you can argue it was designed for modern hardware buts thats not a fault,if you want to stick with old hardware then why upgrade your OS in the first place.
Win8 is what I'm waiting for,again its supposed to be a major change from Vista and Win7 ,not lets tweak Vista throw in a few new features and let them upgrade(to me its only slight improvement on Vista).

Obviously you missed the entire point of this thread as you have been spoiling for an arguement since your first reply to me. Its an OS... i dont get emotionally attached to the OS that runs on my computer :roll: Vista, XP whatever, im saying windows 7 brings some nice things to the table and its definately better than vista was. You on the other hand dont seem to like it, fine stick with vista like i said before i really dont give a toss what you do.

Lets get this clear, vista was not well recieved. People dont just make up stuff to spite MS.... ive been over this in another thread before, im not retreading this again, if you think the windows vista launch was a huge success and its a good product thats been recieved well by the market its aimed at (the opposite of what im saying) then its lucky you dont work in marketing.

You started this ie

im well aware of it your love affair with vista,

however again you missed the point what I said about Win7 with that cheap remark.

I say it again so you know its clear , its not enough of an improvement over Vista IMHO and for the record no OS is perfect that includes XP,Vista and ANY OS you care to meantion and yes I have Win7 beta so its not like I'm just making this up,the main point is Win7 good enough for me to upgrade and spend my money on?..No is he simple answer if you get it on a new system (pre-installed)great but as you know biggest improvement in Win7 is on older systems that has trouble running Vista.

Ok for starters "most people" ended up with vista because it came with their PC, they didnt go buy it, also all this "i wanted" "i like" well thats awesome, heres one for you: I dont give a rats ass. Go use what you like, do what you want, go back to DOS if you want i dont care, dont claim im spreading FUD when im talking about my own experiences with vista and windows 7 and from what other have told me their experiences are, of course they must be spreading FUD too huh, if its about vista and its bad its all FUD..

When you start speaking and assuming what Microsoft are doing then its FUD, ie

No superfetch is still there, windows 7 just uses less memory somehow. Superfetch isnt a big selling point this time around because its associated with vista and MS want to stay as far away from that as possible.

Unless you work for Microsoft and know their true plans then don't assume you know what they are exactly doing or thinking,the above statement goes for any OS not just Vista,I was correcting you on that remark.As to Vista yes it has had mixed response but a lot of the FUD on top etc never helped, however as we know it does not mean its a bad OS...Microsoft clearly stated they are going back to a 3 year OS cycle anyway so Vista's time and even Win7 days are going to be numbered just like any OS.

I'm not looking for an argument incorrect conclusion by you,however we agree on one thing and thats Win7 beta does run older systems better then Vista.
Roll on Win8 the OS I'm looking forward for too.

For the record I don't think Win7 is bad just not enough of an improvement for me to upgrade at this time,does not mean I'm a Vista lover or anything like that,just when it comes to money I spend it wisely and want value for money,last thing I want to say is lets keep this civil.

No i dont spread FUD as you call it i make reasonable assumptions, if you dont agree with them, well again i say i dont give a toss what you think, ill continue to make reasonable assumptions. All you have accomplished here is totally dragging this thread off topic. I can look at every single post of yours in this thread and what does it add to it? ah heck all. Mem can you tell me why windows 7 uses less memory and runs snappier than vista? No you cant, your posts are as irrelivent to me as your views on vista are.

Do you want me to start a new thread for you? Call it "Mems views on vista and windows 7, money well spent etc etc blah blah"?? Because thats where all your BS belongs, another thread, its totally irrelivent to this one. Luckily various other people answered the original question and ive got some idea why win7 uses less ram than vista despite being very similar under the hood.

You really want an argument don't you and can't keep it civil ?..well I'm not biting sorry you'll have to find somebody else,I will take a guess at what they did with Win7,probably fine tuned superfetch and made it not as aggressive,reduce memory usage on OS related startup programs too, anyway I'm no Win7 expert like most people here so can only guess, its easier to fine tune a new OS if you got something similar to compare it with ie Vista to Win7 ,anyway thats done end of post and now back to my beta game testing.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Mem
You really want an argument don't you and can't keep it civil ?..well I'm not biting sorry you'll have to find somebody else.

No i wanted you to post on topic for a change or gtfo.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
You really want an argument don't you and can't keep it civil ?..well I'm not biting sorry you'll have to find somebody else.

No i wanted you to post on topic for a change or gtfo.

This is the first time I've seen Mem in a flame war. His posts have been on topic. You simply do not agree with him. Just because it's your thread it doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with you. He replied asking for civility and you flamed some more. Not nice IMO.

For the record I also disagree with Mem. Vista's problems were not "fud created by a few users". Vista is a bad operating system in my experience, on many levels for many different reasons which I will not go into right now.

That said, Mem is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful people you will find on here. I don't think he deserves the hostility. :beer:

 

[Gamingphreek]

I have said this before and I will say it again - what is the point of having memory if you aren't going to use it?? If I have 4G of RAM and my processes use 400mb, what do I care what the other memory is going to!?!? Might as well go to caching programs. The memory can be deallocated as I need it.

Why buy a 5 car garage, yet keep 1 car in there?? (A place to store tools notwithstanding )

Vista did a whole lot right (User privileges, Interface, Caching etc...). What happened a lot of the time is that when something broke and people didn't understand it, they immediately blamed the OS.

-Kevin

(For the record, I dual boot between Vista and Ubuntu 8.10 x64)

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I have said this before and I will say it again - what is the point of having memory if you aren't going to use it?? If I have 4G of RAM and my processes use 400mb, what do I care what the other memory is going to!?!? Might as well go to caching programs. The memory can be deallocated as I need it.

Why buy a 5 car garage, yet keep 1 car in there?? (A place to store tools notwithstanding )

Vista did a whole lot right (User privileges, Interface, Caching etc...). What happened a lot of the time is that when something broke and people didn't understand it, they immediately blamed the OS.

-Kevin

(For the record, I dual boot between Vista and Ubuntu 8.10 x64)

I agree memory should be used,we are very lucky nowadays ram prices are so cheap unlike years ago,anyway Win7 is good news for those on old systems that can't afford to upgrade their hardware,any new laptop/PC should have no problems running Vista or Win7,it'll be interesting to see if Microsoft stick with their three year cycle and what new improvements we'll see in Win8.


So quick recap memory wise on Win7, main people that will get the most benefit with Win7 are those on older systems or those that have PC/Laptops with minimal ram,nowadays ram is not really an issue as we know for obvious reasons,however its all good since the choice is there or will be there once it goes retail.

No i wanted you to post on topic for a change or gtfo.

Maximilian
Showing your true colours now,you'll know it costs nothing to have manners and be civil ,so I disagree with your posts thats does not mean you have to be rude,unfortunately too many people like you,sort of members we don't need in these forums.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Mem
You really want an argument don't you and can't keep it civil ?..well I'm not biting sorry you'll have to find somebody else.

No i wanted you to post on topic for a change or gtfo.

For the record I also disagree with Mem. Vista's problems were not "fud created by a few users". Vista is a bad operating system in my experience, on many levels for many different reasons which I will not go into right now.

For the record, XP had more problems than vista (2000 + hotfixes and counting). You seem to believe that problems vista had never existed in the previous versions of windows, like I said earlier every OS has it's share of problems and vista is no different, it brings a architectural change and change will piss a lot of people off.

 

[T0E0C0H]

Originally posted by: iFX
LOL @ the "Vista is bloatware" comments.

Stupid people always use that line to bash Vista. Listen you turkeys, Vista doesn't have high ram usage - the stupid shit you load on your PC does. I use Vista Business 64 every day on my work PC and I rarely get over 700MB usage. My Vista machine idles at around 450MB. Guess what? My Windows 7 box bahaves the same exact way!

Vista and Windows 7 have very respectable ram usage - it's the stupid shit programs you load up which sends the usage sky high. Complain to those companies who made your shitty applications if you have a problem with ram usage.

oh well ,, about the "shitty applications" as u mentioned ... u dont use any , u just open ur vista ... right click + refresh ur desktop , no more ? u dont use any applications ? or u made ur own NON-shitty applications ?

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Vista is a bad operating system in my experience, on many levels for many different reasons which I will not go into right now.

Windows 7 is Vista with a new service scheduler and some interface tweaks. On modern mid range to high end set ups, both run essentially the same. The new service scheduler helps when it comes to low end or older PC's by only running services when they are needed and only as long as needed. This is why Win 7 uses less RAM and runs on netbooks. On more powerful set ups, Vista's IO priority system works well enough to mitigate any performance hit these services would otherwise cause. You continue to blow Vista's issues out of proportion and yet you think Win 7 is wonderful. They are pretty much one in the same at their core.

With that said, I agree that many of the problems when Vista was first released affected how well the operating was received by end users, especially power users and geeks. These types of users are the most adverse to change and are primarily the people behind the save XP campaign.

That said, Mem is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful people you will find on here. I don't think he deserves the hostility. :beer:

Agreed, the OP is being wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to hostile to those that disagree with him/her.

@ the OP:

The biggest reason Win 7 is faster on low powered hardware is this! Please watch the 45 minute video if you truly want the technical details why Win 7 is faster on low powered hardware. Do us a favor and please chill out on Mem. This community is going to side with him first on this one.