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So why cant we get lab tests done without doctor's orders?

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Anarchist420 said:
i agree with the OP 100%.

anyway, it's called medical fascism. prescriptions are another example. it is obvious that prescription requirements for certain chemicals are just to give doctors above market salaries.
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yeah, let's let everyone self-prescribe, that's a great--oh wait, sorry. forgot you were crazy.
 
Labs are already overworked. They dont need their load multiplied by hypochondriacs and curious yet ignorant laymen.

And sugar is easy anyway, you can get an OTC kit and do it yourself every god damn day.
 
You can get any test done that you want if are willing to pay.

I have a hypochondriac sister-in-law that wants to get tested for all matter of shit every day. Seems like that would get out of control if all the hypochondriacs decided to troll the system. :hmm:
 
uclaLabrat said:
Yeah, no they really shouldn't be.
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The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists think the pill should be available over the counter.

Half of pregnancies are unplanned. So the current system isn't working.

You can get the morning after pill without going to a doctor, and it's a much stronger dosage.
 
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My work used to offer bloods tests for $20. I used to take it and when i got my results, I would go in for my physical. After the NJ law passed for doctor's permission they just stopped the program. My doc used to charge co-pay for both the blood test visit and the physical but no longer or I would have a new doc.
 
shortylickens said:
Labs are already overworked. They dont need their load multiplied by hypochondriacs and curious yet ignorant laymen.
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Sounds like a business opportunity to me. I have no idea regarding the state of bespoke medical testing, but it absolutely should be available for those willing to pay, and without a middleman.
 
All they need to do is simplify the report by giving some basic tips that anyone could find online already anyway and then maybe make recommendations of which doctor(s) to see to seek additional help.

Hell, it could be a boon for doctors and specialists.
 
BladeVenom said:
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists think the pill should be available over the counter.

Half of pregnancies are unplanned. So the current system isn't working.

You can get the morning after pill without going to a doctor, and it's a much stronger dosage.
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Condoms are cheap and easily available. People dont need The Pill. They need some god damn brains.

As long as the world is full of morons, you will have unplanned pregnancies.
You think folks who accidentally let a load of white slime in their cunts are gonna remember to take a pill at the same time EVERY SINGLE DAY?!?
 
BladeVenom said:
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists think the pill should be available over the counter.

Half of pregnancies are unplanned. So the current system isn't working.

You can get the morning after pill without going to a doctor, and it's a much stronger dosage.
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It's also a one-time thing. Adjusting your hormone levels over a long period of time is something that really needs to be monitored, especially with the potential implications for CVD and stroke that go along with it, not to mention other side effects like hair loss. Not saying all doctors actually do monitor it, but they should definitely be more diligent about it. It's not like there's only one pill and it's one dose for everyone.

Half of all pregnancies are unplanned because people are irresponsible fuckwits. Making BC OTC will not change that.
 
Because medical science is not about health, it's about control, power and money. Their motto: if it's not patentable, it's not profitable.

Same with the Affordable Care Act, or our new fiat health currency of which all information and health care bucks flow through a new middleman/overlord... the US government. They completely cut health care providers out of the picture, enough to make the mafia very proud.

NY especially is a nanny state, where one cannot even obtain hair mineral analysis from a reputable lab.
 
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bradley said:
Because medical science is not about health, it's about control, power and money. Their motto: if it's not patentable, it's not profitable.

Same with the Affordable Care Act, or our new fiat health currency of which all information and health care bucks flow through a new middleman/overlord... the US government. They completely cut health care providers out of the picture, enough to make the mafia very proud.

NY especially is a nanny state, where one cannot even obtain hair mineral analysis from a reputable lab.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
 
lxskllr said:
Sounds like a business opportunity to me. I have no idea regarding the state of bespoke medical testing, but it absolutely should be available for those willing to pay, and without a middleman.
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The AMA has a monopoly on the practice of medicine in America. Thats the main problem. Thats why medicine costs are ridiculous and everything else. Its also why people cant see doctors or get labwork when they want.
 
That's really puzzling to me. Why would a lab turn away money? Is getting the tests done prohibited like selling medicine without prescription? You can get tested for whatever you pay for over here, I thought that was the norm around the world. That's not the only absurdity in the US healthcare, why do you pay 2 times as much for MRI scan then people in for example Germany or Japan?
 
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bradley said:
To big pharma you are a contemptible yet useful idiot with rote information. I just hope one day you can connect the dots before a major illness strikes. Otherwise just don’t cross their path, you will be fine - relatively speaking.
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I work in big pharma...while your ideas are hilarious, they don't begin to represent the industry, the goals, or the outlook, by any stretch of the imagination.

But nice try though.
 
The market for people who want these tests done without the doctor interpreting the results is tiny.

The insurance company isn't going to want to pay, because it's a waste of money unless it's an expert who is going to interpret the results.

And, for those very few individuals who would be willing to pay cash for these results, it's simply not worth it to most companies for the liability risks they may be taking. I don't know what the number is (and the wife isn't home to ask), but let's say that a cholesterol count of 200 is high. If the score is 200, should the TESTING agency do the doctor's job: interpreting those results for the patient? So, let's say that they do tell anyone with a 200 or higher count that they have high cholesterol. What happens when a guy with 198 has a heart attack the next day, and family's lawyer: "you should have advised our client that his cholesterol was borderline and that if he had any other factors, such as high blood pressure, he would be at elevated risk for a heart attack."

The cost to defend themselves from 1 lawsuit in 20 years (even if they win) is greater than all the profits they would make in 20 years from people paying out of pocket to run these tests without a doctor.
 
uclaLabrat said:
I work in big pharma...while your ideas are hilarious, they don't begin to represent the industry, the goals, or the outlook, by any stretch of the imagination.

But nice try though.
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I've two family members who work for the largest research-based pharmaceutical company in the world. How are either of these anecdotes relevant?

One even works in the same group with the CEO and is best friends with his secretary. Except she is likely way more inquisitive and willing to challenge her belief system than you; it has become just a paycheck to her.

Anyhow, ever hear the idiom about an incapability of seeing the forest for the trees? Or how about the one about not biting the hand feeding you?
 
uclaLabrat said:
I work in big pharma...while your ideas are hilarious, they don't begin to represent the industry, the goals, or the outlook, by any stretch of the imagination.

But nice try though.
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Remember what I always say. No one knows your job like someone who's never done it. My kids are smart enough to do just about anything but I steered them away from anything health related and every time I see a thread like this I'm glad they listened.
 
shortylickens said:
Labs are already overworked. They dont need their load multiplied by hypochondriacs and curious yet ignorant laymen.

And sugar is easy anyway, you can get an OTC kit and do it yourself every god damn day.
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Was my first thought when I read this the other day and didn't post.

You have ever hypochondriac in sight running in on a daily basis pushing costs up on an overtaxed system to begin with.
 
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