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So who's the darling of the overclocker's now?

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FearoftheNight

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So whats the best oc chip now...Since I've been a member here at AT I've seen.
Tbred1700+
P4 2.4C
Barton 2500+
Mobile Xps...

Now I guess its one of the socket 754 a64s? Question is which one?

On the side note is my bh-5 still good to use for ocing these chips?
 
Actually, the 754 version of the 3000+ on a DFI mobo with one stick of quality ram seems even better and costs less. Check out the 2 reviews at Madshrimps, one of memory and one for 754 mobos. Quite the eye opener.
 
^^^mines 2650, but then Duvie gets 2700 from his 3000 939... I will see this weekend what i get with 939. who knows... I think OC wise same but you got a better board than any 939 board and are a bit cheaper.... By better I mean it's cooler, clocks just as high, dual channel, future in 939. 754 is no more chips.
 
Would bh5 be good for these chips? Which is the cheapest place to get one? Recommend a good quiet inexpensive air cooling solution please.
 
those 90nms are a joke!

That article got everyones hopes up, and people dont even know why they're buying them. Currently the 90nm are not that great(maybe w/ the next revision they will be or better mobos). I have a AMD athlon 2800+ doing 2.54ghz w/ STOCK hsf 1.55Vcore. As far as i've seen, exp. over at xtremesystems.com people are having fantastic luck with the version 2.6 3400+ socket 754 NC chips that some suspect maybe be strained silicon demos. As far as i'm concerned socket 939 has nothing on socket 754...not until they get a better board like the DFI LP UT 😀

and dont even mention dual channel....w/ A64s it's pretty much useless. the difference is insig. Besides, I can do ddr540 w/ my DFI 😀 and more ram is better than high bandwidth

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/Neptune755/2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...90/Neptune755/4100.jpg
 
Originally posted by: Neptune3000
those 90nms are a joke!

That article got everyones hopes up, and people dont even know why they're buying them. Currently the 90nm are not that great(maybe w/ the next revision they will be or better mobos). I have a AMD athlon 2800+ doing 2.54ghz w/ STOCK hsf 1.55Vcore. As far as i've seen, exp. over at xtremesystems.com people are having fantastic luck with the version 2.6 3400+ socket 754 NC chips that some suspect maybe be strained silicon demos. As far as i'm concerned socket 939 has nothing on socket 754...not until they get a better board like the DFI LP UT 😀

and dont even mention dual channel....w/ A64s it's pretty much useless. the difference is insig. Besides, I can do ddr540 w/ my DFI 😀 and more ram is better than high bandwidth

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/Neptune755/2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...90/Neptune755/4100.jpg
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Nice OC but don't let your personal bias obstruct the facts. I also have a 754 3000 @ 2650 (water) but Duvie and others are hitting 2700 on air with same chip anand used.

Problem is mobos for 939 not the chip.
 
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
so .09 is 939 only? wheres a good place to buy a socket 754 oc'er?
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Mwave.com should be the only place you shop for A64's and combos. They sell retail box for what others are selling OEM.

One caveat is the 754, get those from newegg. AX cores only.
 
I believe the new darlings would be the Dothans on the 855 boards from AOpen or DFI. They are beating FX55's when overclocked in certain games (Doom 3).
 
i'm guessing i'll go w/ the dfi ut-250 socket 754...w/ a 3000+ so i can use the 10x multipleri..

sorry to blow off your idea jb but the dothans seems rather untested and w/ little mobo selection and dothans are expensive....

but gusy will the bh5 do??
 
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
i'm guessing i'll go w/ the dfi ut-250 socket 754...w/ a 3000+ so i can use the 10x multipleri..

sorry to blow off your idea jb but the dothans seems rather untested and w/ little mobo selection and dothans are expensive....

but gusy will the bh5 do??
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wise...dfi is a very sexy board. Coming from 3 bad chaintech vnf3-250 I love my DFI even more. Very HQ board, u can feel it.
 
I recomend a 3000+ 90nm 939 chip.
The 939s are about 5% faster than the 754s due to dual channel memory. Plus the Winchester cores are very overclockable. Most people get 2.5 to 2.7 on air.
 
Originally posted by: Brian23
I recomend a 3000+ 90nm 939 chip.
The 939s are about 5% faster than the 754s due to dual channel memory. Plus the Winchester cores are very overclockable. Most people get 2.5 to 2.7 on air.
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mobo recommendation.?...dfi + 754 seems very budget oriented
 
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight

sorry to blow off your idea jb but the dothans seems rather untested and w/ little mobo selection and dothans are expensive....
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Untested? I think not. Both the AOpen and DFI boards that have emerged for desktop Dothan usage are based on a modified i855 chipset. It's tech that's been used in notebooks for, what, 2 years now? The Dothan CPUs themselves are tried, true, and tested as functional processors with very few reported problems. They're very similar to Banias. If you want to see one in action, here's an example of a nice overclock.

Also, not all Dothan CPUs are expensive. There are some very cheap Celeron-Ms based on the Dothan that overclock like mad, apparently. The higher-end Dothan's aren't too expensive either. However, the motherboards are obscenely expensive. I suspect this may be related to a shortage of chipsets for Intel notebooks, though it may also have something to do with the quality of manufacture in the boards themselves. I believe they are intended for imbedded applications where frequent, constant use may be an issue. Could be wrong.
 
I believe the new darlings would be the Dothans on the 855 boards from AOpen or DFI. They are beating FX55's when overclocked in certain games (Doom 3).
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N!ggr please. Take that fanboi stuff someplace else. What happens when you OC a 3000 939? That's right it beats FX-55 in not just one test, but every test.

And we not need talk about price do we?

$400 chip $250 board ROTF..might as well get the 55 and overclock that for what you're spending.
 
Originally posted by: FearoftheNight
Originally posted by: Brian23
I recomend a 3000+ 90nm 939 chip.
The 939s are about 5% faster than the 754s due to dual channel memory. Plus the Winchester cores are very overclockable. Most people get 2.5 to 2.7 on air.
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mobo recommendation.?...dfi + 754 seems very budget oriented
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No it's high quality. best mobo ever made according to some pros like OPP and TONY from OCZ.

Listen to neptune. I think you can't go wrong with either 754 or 939 but definity no 939 board will compare with DFI's which is only in 754 form.🙁
 
honestly 754 pwnz 939
i tested myself
i had 3400 (754)
now im usin 3200@2.5ghz on neo2 plat.
the performance aint all that, when it ocmes to speed i thik the good old 754 can easily take on it. i do have to say the 939 are pretty smooth sometimes haha
 
I haven't seen anyone try out this gigabyte board on a 3000 939 114$ same features of it's 200$ gigabyte sister (Without all the bugs too!. 270 HTT reached with ease sata all working solid as a rock 38c load @ 2.52ghz, crappy 12$ HSF (who knows what it could do if I had a water setup or even a decent HSF)
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=13-128-263&depa=1
GIGABYTE "GA-K8NS Ultra-939" Nforce 3 Ultra
These more "budget" 939 NF3 ultras are highly recommended too bad more peeps haven't tried this board.

I am pretty sure the features that all work on these second gen NF3 Ultras when OCed -all functional- are more then one of the older 754s. Raid on ide and sata, nvidia lan, marvell yukon gigabit lan, dual bios. 2x 1394b ports, 7.1 sound. 114$ is damn competitive even for the best of the 754 boards feature for feature.
Do not confuse this with the earlier 200$ GA-K8NSNXP-939 I have seen a lot of problems with that board.
The Ultra-939 seems to have cleared up the issues with that first gen 939 expensive board.
Bottom line -About $255-270 for mobo and cpu (3000 winchester)
 
You guys are funny. I appreciate the fanboy comment considering I own an AMD 3000+ and a chaintech vnf3-250, as well as a P4 2.8C. I just cant figure out who I'm a fanboy of yet. The results that people are getting over at xtremesystems on air are pretty amazing. The Dothan may be old tech but its definitely more efficient than any available AMD chip. I dont necessarily think its a practical chip but if you really are into overclocking, its where its at. Check this out for some interesting info http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47052

You need to remember that there is more to the world than AMD.
 
DFI and my 3400 I was at 2.86.
Went 939 for a bit to see how it is, so far the board I have is terrible. Getting the NEO from NewEggin this week, then I will see if a 3500 on a 939 board can oc...
 
Originally posted by: jbh129
You guys are funny. I appreciate the fanboy comment considering I own an AMD 3000+ and a chaintech vnf3-250, as well as a P4 2.8C. I just cant figure out who I'm a fanboy of yet. The results that people are getting over at xtremesystems on air are pretty amazing. The Dothan may be old tech but its definitely more efficient than any available AMD chip. I dont necessarily think its a practical chip but if you really are into overclocking, its where its at. Check this out for some interesting info http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47052

You need to remember that there is more to the world than AMD.
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:thumbsup: I've seen it already jbh....most excellent I can't wait for dothan to come in real desktop form...i.e. full bandwidth, cheaper, supported, EMT64, etc.

Couple things you are ignoring or being obtuse about. 1) While Dothan have even better IPC some games, superpi than A64 its extremely poor performer in other areas. FPU for example which overall makes Dothan slower than A64 clock for clock.
compare the 2.25 dothan to a 2.2 3400 in single channel, even though the A64 is clocked slower it whips up on dothan.
http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/cm/dfi855/synth-4.png
http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/cm/dfi855/prat-2.png

2) No "darling" overclcoker costs what you are proposing. The word "darling" means spend cheap (relative to what out there) and get the best performance. Just the motherboard is more than what a 939 setup would cost.


At the moment your 2.8C is more a darling than Dothan. Times may change but not now.

This is what I'm most looking forward to in dothan http://www.akiba-pc.com/DFI_855/sinks.jpg


 
Wow guys I didn't meant to start a flamefest. Yea when I say darling I mean get an ultra cheap chip and oc the b!tch out of it easily. So a good cheap board for 939 oc? The dfi 754 is only ~100. So I'm looking in that range. For socket 754...2800 vs 3000 vs 3200....same question for 939.
 
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