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So... Whos planning to get Avatar tomorrow? *UPDATE* breaks DVD Record

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Adrenaline said:
I ordered it from Amazon and Kingdom of Heaven (DC version which is supposed to be good, never seen it) for $3 off along with Minority Report, Collateral and The Protector. Five Blu-rays for only $80.45 if I recall correctly.
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I'm thinking of picking up Minority Report. Screenshots of the transfer look great and the film is much more enjoyable than Crapatar.

KT
 
classy said:
I don't disagree with any of that. But to penalize a movie because its not original enough is kinda dumb. The Dark Knight was awesome, but there was not one shred or orignality in the movie. We both agree, Hollywood has truly run out of original ideas. I thought the Hangover and Orphan got some marks for some new wrinkles.
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Dude, i could give a flying flip if you agree or not ... it's true. Cameron took an idea and took it "high tech". It's so obvious. Are you blind? Take, for example the "blue people" as I call them ... the INDIANS and isn't it interesting how they use BOW AND ARROWS and scream like AMERICAN INDIANS? Isn't it interesting how they are fighting a technologically superior force (the US cavalry) for their land?

If you can't see it you are beyond blind ... you must be one of those who was affected by Avatar "blues".

If you think this schlock is "the best" movie ever made you REALLY need to get out more.

Damn ...
 
KeithTalent said:
I'm thinking of picking up Minority Report. Screenshots of the transfer look great and the film is much more enjoyable than Crapatar.

KT
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I never saw Kingdom of Heaven, never heard anything really good about the movie, BUT I was looking at blu-ray.com forums and many people said the Director's Cut added 40 minutes or so of extra footage and made the movie a lot better. With Avatar from Amazon, the Blu-ray was only $8.99, so I jumped on it. I have heard nothing but good things about Minority Report and Collateral, so I ordered both of them. The Protector should be a good addition also.
 
I'm disappointed at reviews saying this blu-ray release cut out actual footage from the movie? Can anybody confirm?
 
Adrenaline said:
I never saw Kingdom of Heaven, never heard anything really good about the movie, BUT I was looking at blu-ray.com forums and many people said the Director's Cut added 40 minutes or so of extra footage and made the movie a lot better. With Avatar from Amazon, the Blu-ray was only $8.99, so I jumped on it. I have heard nothing but good things about Minority Report and Collateral, so I ordered both of them. The Protector should be a good addition also.
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Collateral is pretty good. I have yet to see the DC of KoH, but if you have time, post in the review thread once you've watched so I can determine whether to bother or not. 🙂

KT
 
SlitheryDee said:
Doesn't come out on netflix until 5/20 🙁

I thought netflix got movies on their release dates?
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recent deal with WB (...but I didn't think WB was Avatar?) that new releases will be available a month late, and Netflix will in turn be provided double their previous stock, or something. Maybe they have this arrangement with other studios?

ANyway, there was some bitching that Netflix was cutting into their sales. meh.
 
zinfamous said:
recent deal with WB (...but I didn't think WB was Avatar?) that new releases will be available a month late, and Netflix will in turn be provided double their previous stock, or something. Maybe they have this arrangement with other studios?

ANyway, there was some bitching that Netflix was cutting into their sales. meh.
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Yeah the studios basically muscled Netflix into complying and Netlifx bowed down like a bitch and went with it.
 
classy said:
Name the movies? Because I am a serious movie buff. If this was a copy or as you imply a conglomeration of movies I would like to know which ones? Everyone has an opinion on what is the best movie ever made, but if there is a better one I sure haven't seen it.
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If you're a movie buff, and you say that you have watched tons of movies--Avatar being the best--then you must have a very narrow field for the type of movies that you watch.

Do you ever venture outside of the Action/Sci-Fi genre?

Avatar is a technological achievement, sure....but I wouldn't even put it in the top 200, probably not top 300, 400? movies of all time based on merit.

It is an obvious clone of Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas, but that kind of shit doesn't really bother me. Certainly not original, which you claim, and far FAR from Cameron's best work. In fact, I haven't heard a single fan or critic suggest that this is Cameron's best. that's just....wow.
 
zinfamous said:
If you're a movie buff, and you say that you have watched tons of movies--Avatar being the best--then you must have a very narrow field for the type of movies that you watch.

Do you ever venture outside of the Action/Sci-Fi genre?

Avatar is a technological achievement, sure....but I wouldn't even put it in the top 200, probably not top 300, 400? movies of all time based on merit.

It is an obvious clone of Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas, but that kind of shit doesn't really bother me. Certainly not original, which you claim, and far FAR from Cameron's best work. In fact, I haven't heard a single fan or critic suggest that this is Cameron's best. that's just....wow.
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Very true. When the rabid Cameronites actually take the time to remove his dick from their mouths, I usually hear Aliens or T2. :hmm:

KT
 
Adrenaline said:
I never saw Kingdom of Heaven, never heard anything really good about the movie, BUT I was looking at blu-ray.com forums and many people said the Director's Cut added 40 minutes or so of extra footage and made the movie a lot better. With Avatar from Amazon, the Blu-ray was only $8.99, so I jumped on it. I have heard nothing but good things about Minority Report and Collateral, so I ordered both of them. The Protector should be a good addition also.
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The DC on Blu Ray is fan-fucking-tastic. It's the only version I've seen, so never had any experience with the widely-panned theatrical release (which was also loathed by Ridley Scott--but what else is new?)

The only problem with KoH is the retarded casting of Orlando Bloom for his character. Such a wee child. 😛
 
zinfamous said:
If you're a movie buff, and you say that you have watched tons of movies--Avatar being the best--then you must have a very narrow field for the type of movies that you watch.

Do you ever venture outside of the Action/Sci-Fi genre?

Avatar is a technological achievement, sure....but I wouldn't even put it in the top 200, probably not top 300, 400? movies of all time based on merit.

It is an obvious clone of Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas, but that kind of shit doesn't really bother me. Certainly not original, which you claim, and far FAR from Cameron's best work. In fact, I haven't heard a single fan or critic suggest that this is Cameron's best. that's just....wow.
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Yes let's just keep blasting people because of what they like. If someone thinks that Ghostbusters is the best movie they ever saw, then it's not up to you to doubt that; they like the movie because they like the movie. They don't need someone to tell them that they aren't supposed to like the movie because it's the latest craze to hate on things that are popular to make yourself look cool.
 
Juddog said:
Yes let's just keep blasting people because of what they like. If someone thinks that Ghostbusters is the best movie they ever saw, then it's not up to you to doubt that; they like the movie because they like the movie. They don't need someone to tell them that they aren't supposed to like the movie because it's the latest craze to hate on things that are popular to make yourself look cool.
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the thing is, Avatar being "the best I ever saw" makes sense for someone that sticks within the same genre. This comment speaks more towards someone's personal experience, their taste--and how limited it might be--rather than as a considered judgment on the quality of something in comparison to a very wide range of other "somethings."

I question the claim of a self-described movie buff--or rather, seek clarification as to one's exposure--b/c someone who ventures outside of the US industry, or spends time watching plenty of things outside of a particular genre, would never claim that Avatar is so great.

It's perfectly fine for a sci-fi/action buff, with a very limited frame of reference to these type of movies, to make such a claim. This makes sense.

It's perfectly normal that people go to the theater and only see action movies, or that's all they rent. To them, that's what a movie is. Often, such fans wouldn't understand...maybe even be aware that film does very, very different things. The world is much bigger than those narrow goggles. You can believe that Transformers 2 is the greatest film of all time as long as you want--but the reality is that it is the greatest film that you have seen of all time, simply because you watch the same 3 films over and over, and never venture out of your comfort zone....(also, one would have to like shitty, shitty movies to be able to tolerate Transformers. ...just saying.)

It's all about one's frame of reference. I think many so-called buffs probably aren't aware of how limited their own exposure is in this medium, simply because they limit themselves with such narrow taste. Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I just "get it." I'm surprised so few do. :\
 
zinfamous said:
the thing is, Avatar being "the best I ever saw" makes sense for someone that sticks within the same genre. This comment speaks more towards someone's personal experience, their taste--and how limited it might be--rather than as a considered judgment on the quality of something in comparison to a very wide range of other "somethings."
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So if someone enjoys the movie thoroughly and thinks it's the best movie they ever saw, it's only because they are "limited"?

I question the claim of a self-described movie buff--or rather, seek clarification as to one's exposure--b/c someone who ventures outside of the US industry, or spends time watching plenty of things outside of a particular genre, would never claim that Avatar is so great.
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So if someone enjoys the movie so much they think it's the best, you doubt their credentials? Why don't you tell us all your favorite movie, so we can compare it with Avatar?

It's perfectly fine for a sci-fi/action buff, with a very limited frame of reference to these type of movies, to make such a claim. This makes sense.

It's perfectly normal that people go to the theater and only see action movies, or that's all they rent. To them, that's what a movie is. Often, such fans wouldn't understand...maybe even be aware that film does very, very different things. The world is much bigger than those narrow goggles. You can believe that Transformers 2 is the greatest film of all time as long as you want--but the reality is that it is the greatest film that you have seen of all time, simply because you watch the same 3 films over and over, and never venture out of your comfort zone....(also, one would have to like shitty, shitty movies to be able to tolerate Transformers. ...just saying.)

It's all about one's frame of reference. I think many so-called buffs probably aren't aware of how limited their own exposure is in this medium, simply because they limit themselves with such narrow taste. Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I just "get it." I'm surprised so few do. :\
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You basically sound like you are holding your nose up high and just because you don't agree with someone's impression of the movie, they are "limited" since they don't hold to the same degree of movie knowledge as you. Keep in mind we're talking about something entirely subjective here.
 
Juddog said:
So if someone enjoys the movie thoroughly and thinks it's the best movie they ever saw, it's only because they are "limited"?



So if someone enjoys the movie so much they think it's the best, you doubt their credentials? Why don't you tell us all your favorite movie, so we can compare it with Avatar?



You basically sound like you are holding your nose up high and just because you don't agree with someone's impression of the movie, they are "limited" since they don't hold to the same degree of movie knowledge as you. Keep in mind we're talking about something entirely subjective here.
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Your arguing would be fine if the guy had not claimed to be a movie buff. If you claim to be a movie buff, then you open yourself to further analysis of your opinion. If you are just a normal joe that watches movies here and there, then that's different.

KT
 
Juddog said:
I'm disappointed at reviews saying this blu-ray release cut out actual footage from the movie? Can anybody confirm?
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I don't believe this release is missing anything. The next release, in November, will include 20 - 40 additional minutes plus have the extras; featurettes, behind the scenes, etc. Then, next year sometime, the 3D version will be released.
 
KeithTalent said:
Your arguing would be fine if the guy had not claimed to be a movie buff. If you claim to be a movie buff, then you open yourself to further analysis of your opinion. If you are just a normal joe that watches movies here and there, then that's different.

KT
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Avatar got 82 % on Rotten Tomatoes. Those are movie critics that get paid to watch movies, in other words "movie buffs".
 
Juddog said:
So if someone enjoys the movie thoroughly and thinks it's the best movie they ever saw, it's only because they are "limited"?



So if someone enjoys the movie so much they think it's the best, you doubt their credentials? Why don't you tell us all your favorite movie, so we can compare it with Avatar?



You basically sound like you are holding your nose up high and just because you don't agree with someone's impression of the movie, they are "limited" since they don't hold to the same degree of movie knowledge as you. Keep in mind we're talking about something entirely subjective here.
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8 1/2 > Avatar.

so is Godfather II

so is The Dear Hunter.

so is Raging Bull...

It's not that someone's credentials are whack, it just shows that they very likely have a limited perspective.

If what one watches is primarily action or sci-fi, then comparing Avatar to Terminator and Alien and Transformers is miles different than comparing it to The Seventh Seal, or to The Departed, for example. Nothing wrong with that, but the point I am making that one who spends a lot of time jumping into all genres would rather predictably agree that Avatar was not the best film they have ever seen. Having watched a flick like the English Patient doesn't also mean that you have experience in "Independent," or "Art House" films, if that's the closest you've come. Likewise, if I were to say that True Lies is the greatest action movie ever, having very little experience with action movies, I would be misleading--perhaps unintentionally, but nonetheless showing that I was unaware of my own limited reference.

Again, it's all about reference, and reference is in no way subjective. You either watch certain types of movies, or you don't. Your impression or preference of certain types of movies is a different issue. Of course, preference is largely influenced by your choices in what type of movies you see. In that, it's completely limited by the narrower field in which one might explore.


staying within genre, I'd say that:

Alien > Avatar
Aliens > Avatar
T1 & T2 > Avatar
Children of Men >>>>>> Avatar (limited action sci fi counts, which is why T1 and Alien are included 😛)
 
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KeithTalent said:
Your arguing would be fine if the guy had not claimed to be a movie buff. If you claim to be a movie buff, then you open yourself to further analysis of your opinion. If you are just a normal joe that watches movies here and there, then that's different.

KT
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yeah, this sums it up better. Avatar being the best movie ever sounds like the opinion of an Action/Sci-Fi buff. Not a "movie" buff.

"Movie buff" assumes a very wide exposure and appreciation everything from Avant Garde that very few people would even think to expose themselves to, to the cheesiest of shit-tastic Troma films.

Just saying.
 
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