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So who really got lucky in the Seahawks/Giants game?

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The NFL said touchdown catches made by Jeremy Shockey and Amani Toomer shouldn't have been ruled completions.
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Still was a sweet game. Lol, had the right calls been made, could've saved Feely a whole lot of heartache.
 
KIRKLAND, Wash. -- The NFL denies telling the Seahawks that officials erred when they ruled two New York Giants touchdown receptions complete in Seattle's 24-21 overtime win.

Seattle coach Mike Holmgren said Monday that the league took the rare step of admitting officiating mistakes in the game Sunday. The league said in a statement released Tuesday that reports that it told the Seahawks of officiating mistakes on the two touchdown receptions were inaccurate.

"Our officiating department never discussed with the Seahawks the Amani Toomer touchdown reception, which was properly called," the statement said. "The Jeremy Shockey touchdown catch at the end of the first half was not overturned because the referee determined that there was insufficient visual evidence to reverse the call."

Holmgren's disclosure is being reviewed as a potential violation of league policy, which says that a coach is not allowed to publicly divulge confidential conversations with the officiating department, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported. Holmgren may be subject to a fine and his access to the officiating office could be restricted for a limited amount of time.

On Monday, when asked whether he had heard from the league on the two Giants touchdown calls, he said he was told "there were some mistakes that took place, which we felt at the time."

The Seahawks said Tuesday neither Holmgren nor the team had further comment on the matter. A league official declined further comment Tuesday.

Coaches routinely send video of plays they believe were incorrectly called to the league. Each week, the officiating department reviews them and sends a confidential response -- but it's usually nothing more than an apology, since results aren't changed.

Those communications are normally back-channel and not made public, though Holmgren has disclosed them before without a league response.

In the first half Sunday, Shockey briefly caught a 7-yard pass in the end zone; though the ball was forced to the turf by a defender, officials signaled a touchdown. Jim Blackwood, the replay review official, asked for a booth review by referee Larry Nemmers, who declared that Shockey indeed had possession.

Then, with 2:03 left in regulation, a leaping Toomer caught the ball and got his left foot down inside the back of the end zone and appeared to drag the toes of his right shoe into his left as it hit the turf. Holmgren challenged the touchdown call, but Nemmers ruled that it stood.

Holmgren said he was told by game officials there wasn't enough indisputable visual evidence to overturn either touchdown.

"Look, I get excited about it, just like any coach would, especially if you think it might cost you a ball game. But it's a tough job," Holmgren said Monday. "Officials have a tough job. They are honest guys doing the best they can.

"You hope replay would help, if everything would function properly. And I would say 99 percent of the time it does, it works."
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But if they never discussed it with Homgren, then how could he be reviewed for telling someone confidential information that never happened... Hmmm.
 
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: NeoV
no way Shockey got that 2nd foot down
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Toomer got the second foot down, but not the first...
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Huh? His 1st foot was firmly planted on the ground. There was only a question about the 2nd foot and the replay showed that he got it down.

Both calls were correct. The article is relying on the word of Seattle?s head coach. That's a bit ridiculous.

 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: NeoV
no way Shockey got that 2nd foot down
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Toomer got the second foot down, but not the first...
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Huh? His 1st foot was firmly planted on the ground. There was only a question about the 2nd foot and the replay showed that he got it down.

Both calls were correct. The article is relying on the word of Seattle?s head coach. That's a bit ridiculous.
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Yea, planted firmly on the white line...

 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: NeoV
no way Shockey got that 2nd foot down
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Toomer got the second foot down, but not the first...
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Huh? His 1st foot was firmly planted on the ground. There was only a question about the 2nd foot and the replay showed that he got it down.

Both calls were correct. The article is relying on the word of Seattle?s head coach. That's a bit ridiculous.
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I don't recall Toomer's TD but Shockey definitely did not get his left foot on the ground before he was creamed and had the ball dislodged.
 
Shockey's TD was a tough call & could have easily been overruled, but Toomer did get both feet down, also considering the replay call they blew when Shockey made a catch in OT that would have been a first down at like the 20 yard line I'd say it evened out.
Bottom line is that having the officials on the field decide on overruling their own calls isn't the best system... I think all the replay decisions should be made by an official who isn't on the field & whos ego isn't as deeply involved in the choice... replay is here to stay, but it still needs a bit of work.
 
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: NeoV
no way Shockey got that 2nd foot down
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Toomer got the second foot down, but not the first...
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Huh? His 1st foot was firmly planted on the ground. There was only a question about the 2nd foot and the replay showed that he got it down.

Both calls were correct. The article is relying on the word of Seattle?s head coach. That's a bit ridiculous.
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Yea, planted firmly on the white line...
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You could not see that from the angles. Sorry.
 
In both cases there was not enough clear evidence to overrule. The only case where there was clear evidence was Shockey's catch in OT when he CLEARLY had possesion and lost it transferring the ball to his other arm. It was quick but it was obvious. I'm a diehard Giants fan, so maybe my eyes are seeing things through Giants glasses, but that's what I saw.
 
Originally posted by: Captante
Shockey's TD was a tough call & could have easily been overruled, but Toomer did get both feet down, also considering the replay call they blew when Shockey made a catch in OT that would have been a first down at like the 20 yard line I'd say it evened out.
Bottom line is that having the officials on the field decide on overruling their own calls isn't the best system... I think all the replay decisions should be made by an official who isn't on the field & whos ego isn't as deeply involved in the choice... replay is here to stay, but it still needs a bit of work.
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Good point. You have to wonder why nobody brings up that call since it was probably the worst of the bunch. Shockey most likely made that catch but the camera angles were not sufficient to say for sure. There was not enough to overturn it but they did.

The bottom line is that you have to consider whether they are overturning the call or not. According to the rules, they should need more definitive proof to overturn than to let a play stand.

 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: Captante
Shockey's TD was a tough call & could have easily been overruled, but Toomer did get both feet down, also considering the replay call they blew when Shockey made a catch in OT that would have been a first down at like the 20 yard line I'd say it evened out.
Bottom line is that having the officials on the field decide on overruling their own calls isn't the best system... I think all the replay decisions should be made by an official who isn't on the field & whos ego isn't as deeply involved in the choice... replay is here to stay, but it still needs a bit of work.
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Good point. You have to wonder why nobody brings up that call since it was probably the worst of the bunch. Shockey most likely made that catch but the camera angles were not sufficient to say for sure. There was not enough to overturn it but they did.

The bottom line is that you have to consider whether they are overturning the call or not. According to the rules, they should need more definitive proof to overturn than to let a play stand.
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On Shockey's catch in OT, the reason they overruled it IMO is because the ball was moving in his arms before he hit the ground, so they said it was incomplete. The problem is that he lost the ball when he was transferring it to his other arm, he made the catch and had possesion first. That's what I saw anyway.
 
Both were touchdowns. The Shockey catch could have gone either way. Toomer was clearly in. and EVEN if you say he wasnt they still would have called him being pushed out.
 
Replays aside... the answer is Seattle.

How many false start penalties did NY get in that game? 15? 16? Five on one series alone? If NY's O-line had even a shred of dicipline in that game Feely's kicks wouldn't have mattered. Shockey's (non)catch wouldn't have mattered either. NY would have won in regulation and there wouldn't have been the need for a last second kick. They would have just kneeled it.

 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Replays aside... the answer is Seattle.

How many false start penalties did NY get in that game? 15? 16? Five on one series alone? If NY's O-line had even a shred of dicipline in that game Feely's kicks wouldn't have mattered. Shockey's (non)catch wouldn't have mattered either. NY would have won in regulation and there wouldn't have been the need for a last second kick. They would have just kneeled it.
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I doubt anyone disagrees with you there. Even though Seattle won, who do you think would be favored if they were to meet again?
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Replays aside... the answer is Seattle.

How many false start penalties did NY get in that game? 15? 16? Five on one series alone? If NY's O-line had even a shred of dicipline in that game Feely's kicks wouldn't have mattered. Shockey's (non)catch wouldn't have mattered either. NY would have won in regulation and there wouldn't have been the need for a last second kick. They would have just kneeled it.
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The false starts are called home-field advantage. Seattle's stadium was very loud during the game making it difficult for the Giants offense.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Replays aside... the answer is Seattle.

How many false start penalties did NY get in that game? 15? 16? Five on one series alone? If NY's O-line had even a shred of dicipline in that game Feely's kicks wouldn't have mattered. Shockey's (non)catch wouldn't have mattered either. NY would have won in regulation and there wouldn't have been the need for a last second kick. They would have just kneeled it.
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The false starts are called home-field advantage. Seattle's stadium was very loud during the game making it difficult for the Giants offense.
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Sorry, but 15 or 16 False starts are not home field advantage. It's called lack of discipline. You can chalk a few up to home field advantage but not that many.

 
When the officials call a touchdown, it's a touchdown. Everybodies' opinions about where the feet were doesn't make any difference, and it doesn't matter who is right.

Nobody got cheated because the determining factor is what the official called, not the "facts". You take their decision and move on.

 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Replays aside... the answer is Seattle.

How many false start penalties did NY get in that game? 15? 16? Five on one series alone? If NY's O-line had even a shred of dicipline in that game Feely's kicks wouldn't have mattered. Shockey's (non)catch wouldn't have mattered either. NY would have won in regulation and there wouldn't have been the need for a last second kick. They would have just kneeled it.
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The false starts are called home-field advantage. Seattle's stadium was very loud during the game making it difficult for the Giants offense.
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Sorry, but 15 or 16 False starts are not home field advantage. It's called lack of discipline. You can chalk a few up to home field advantage but not that many.
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Well, which is it? Lack of discipline or luck?
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Well, which is it? Lack of discipline or luck?
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Both. Seattle got lucky that the Giants lack of discipline finally cost them a game. If the Giants can correct this, I see them going far. On the other hand, I don't see Seattle going far. They did not impress.

 
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