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Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now.

Jesus everyone here is an asshole. How did it take me 5 years to figure this out?
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now.

Jesus I wish I knew how to drive. How did it take me 5 years to figure this out?

Fixed :p

 

MmmSkyscraper

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Jesus everyone here is an asshole. How did it take me 5 years to figure this out?

Either:

a) you didn't get the memo

or

b) you're a dumbass ;)

 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now.

Jesus I wish I knew how to brag and moan. How did it take me 5 years to figure this out?

Fixed :p
again.
 

zeruty

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Jan 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: BigDH01


Besides, 4WD only helps with acceleration. Doesn't really have an advantage over a FWD vehicle when turning or breaking.

It's true that you don't get improved steering or braking, but 4WD DOES have an advantage. People driving a 2WD vehicle have to worry about slowing down too much, and then not being able to start moving again. So, they might take a turn at too fast of a speed, or wait too long to slow down. In a 4WD vehicle, you don't need to maintain speed, you can even stop and start again! So... you do have an advantage.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Ours is more of a decide on your own policy. With a half inch of ice on the roads and a 300HP RWD car, I'm not headed in anytime soon.

what's important to know about the 300HP bit?

sorry i'm not picking it up ..is a 130HP RWD worse off than a 300HP RWD in these road conditions?

300HP accidental tap on the gas = much worse than 130HP accidental tap on the gas.

Does that happen to you often? Because I've been driving for 20 years and can only recall catching my boot on the edge of the accelerator once while pressing the brake pedal.

Besides, tapping the gas doesn't mean 300hp is instantly going to your rear wheels...it's progressive you know.

Is this asshat day or something? Get back to work. 300HP is more dangerous than 130HP on ice. There's no argument against it.

Okay, we all get it. You've got a big muscle car to compensate for something. Having been a licensed driver for a couple decades and having driven a large variety of vehicles, I disagree with you. Then again, there is one factor which does actually make a 300HP vehicle more dangerous than a 130HP vehicle: The idiot behind the wheel. Driver skill makes all the difference in the world; an inexperienced driver behind the wheel of a high powered car is dangerous, period; without regard to the road surface.
 

Squisher

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Aug 17, 2000
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I started a 4:00AM so I left at 2:40AM just to be sure for my normal 35 minute drive.

Had an opportunity to see a drunk plow into a snowbank. What fun.

My sidestreet had virgin snow. If it wasn't for the mailboxes I would have had a hard time seeing the where to go. I had to crash through a 3 ft. drift to get out of my driveway.



 

Black88GTA

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Sep 9, 2003
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now. Jeez, you'd think this would be common sense...what the hell do they teach kids in drivers ed these days? :roll:


"get some decent snow tires" Right, says the guy in California who constantly talks about bicycling to work in the winter. :roll: Snow tires aren't exactly a good idea for many people - today was the ONLY day so far this year they would have done me any good. There were MAYBE 3 days last year where they would have come in handy - in my area at least. And guess what - they're good for maybe 3 seasons before they start to dry rot and become unsafe. Some people may keep them longer, but you're on borrowed time after ~3 years, IMO. And what the fvck do you do with them when they are not being used if you live in an apartment? Stack them in your bedroom?

Not to mention, unless you like getting up early to change tires every time it snows, you'll be riding on them for a couple months at least. Snows have crappy traction, high amounts of road noise, and handle terribly on dry / wet pavement - which is where you'd be using them 98% of the time, at least around here.

That said, it is MUCH easier to control a ~100 HP RWD car vs a ~300 HP RWD car when the road is frozen, regardless of weight in the trunk. My old 105 HP Mustang would run circles in the winter around either one of my V8 cars. I took my ~300 HP BMW to work this morning, and I don't care HOW lightly you feathered the throttle - the rear end would slide out regardless. And I grew up driving through Michigan winters - it's not like I'm some n00b visiting from Texas who's never seen snow in their lifetime.

Please, get a fvcking clue before you start attacking others.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

Lifer
Feb 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: randomint
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Ours is more of a decide on your own policy. With a half inch of ice on the roads and a 300HP RWD car, I'm not headed in anytime soon.

what's important to know about the 300HP bit?

sorry i'm not picking it up ..is a 130HP RWD worse off than a 300HP RWD in these road conditions?

300HP accidental tap on the gas = much worse than 130HP accidental tap on the gas.

Does that happen to you often? Because I've been driving for 20 years and can only recall catching my boot on the edge of the accelerator once while pressing the brake pedal.

Besides, tapping the gas doesn't mean 300hp is instantly going to your rear wheels...it's progressive you know.

Is this asshat day or something? Get back to work. 300HP is more dangerous than 130HP on ice. There's no argument against it.

Okay, we all get it. You've got a big muscle car to compensate for something. Having been a licensed driver for a couple decades and having driven a large variety of vehicles, I disagree with you. Then again, there is one factor which does actually make a 300HP vehicle more dangerous than a 130HP vehicle: The idiot behind the wheel. Driver skill makes all the difference in the world; an inexperienced driver behind the wheel of a high powered car is dangerous, period; without regard to the road surface.
The gearing will also make quite a bit of difference... shorter gearing for quick low speed acceleration in a car with less HP might find itself sliding around more easily than a car with more power but taller gearing for higher speed acceleration.

For accidental taps, you'd have to keep it tapped for a while.... it's not going to lose traction within an instant unless you're cruising around in first and second gear all day.

If you find this being an issue, just drive around in a higher gear... you'll decrease power and it'll take more time to accelerate.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now. Jeez, you'd think this would be common sense...what the hell do they teach kids in drivers ed these days? :roll:


"get some decent snow tires" Right, says the guy in California who constantly talks about bicycling to work in the winter. :roll: Snow tires aren't exactly a good idea for many people - today was the ONLY day so far this year they would have done me any good. There were MAYBE 3 days last year where they would have come in handy - in my area at least. And guess what - they're good for maybe 3 seasons before they start to dry rot and become unsafe. Some people may keep them longer, but you're on borrowed time after ~3 years, IMO. And what the fvck do you do with them when they are not being used if you live in an apartment? Stack them in your bedroom?

Not to mention, unless you like getting up early to change tires every time it snows, you'll be riding on them for a couple months at least. Snows have crappy traction, high amounts of road noise, and handle terribly on dry / wet pavement - which is where you'd be using them 98% of the time, at least around here.

That said, it is MUCH easier to control a ~100 HP RWD car vs a ~300 HP RWD car when the road is frozen, regardless of weight in the trunk. My old 105 HP Mustang would run circles in the winter around either one of my V8 cars. I took my ~300 HP BMW to work this morning, and I don't care HOW lightly you feathered the throttle - the rear end would slide out regardless. And I grew up driving through Michigan winters - it's not like I'm some n00b visiting from Texas who's never seen snow in their lifetime.

Please, get a fvcking clue before you start attacking others.

Finally, someone who is not an idiot.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now. Jeez, you'd think this would be common sense...what the hell do they teach kids in drivers ed these days? :roll:


"get some decent snow tires" Right, says the guy in California who constantly talks about bicycling to work in the winter. :roll: Snow tires aren't exactly a good idea for many people - today was the ONLY day so far this year they would have done me any good. There were MAYBE 3 days last year where they would have come in handy - in my area at least. And guess what - they're good for maybe 3 seasons before they start to dry rot and become unsafe. Some people may keep them longer, but you're on borrowed time after ~3 years, IMO. And what the fvck do you do with them when they are not being used if you live in an apartment? Stack them in your bedroom?

Not to mention, unless you like getting up early to change tires every time it snows, you'll be riding on them for a couple months at least. Snows have crappy traction, high amounts of road noise, and handle terribly on dry / wet pavement - which is where you'd be using them 98% of the time, at least around here.

That said, it is MUCH easier to control a ~100 HP RWD car vs a ~300 HP RWD car when the road is frozen, regardless of weight in the trunk. My old 105 HP Mustang would run circles in the winter around either one of my V8 cars. I took my ~300 HP BMW to work this morning, and I don't care HOW lightly you feathered the throttle - the rear end would slide out regardless. And I grew up driving through Michigan winters - it's not like I'm some n00b visiting from Texas who's never seen snow in their lifetime.

Please, get a fvcking clue before you start attacking others.

FYI-I grew up driving in upstate NY. I was born there and lived there for 22 years.

I never said it wasn't more difficult to drive a RWD car with more hp in the snow. However, there are things you can do to make it manageable. My second car was a '75 Pontiac LeMans GT with a 350CI engine and mag wheels. Believe me, snow tires made a huge difference in the way that car drove in the snow. I put the wheels on after the first snow and took them off again in the springtime. I guess if you don't have someplace to store an extra set of wheels then maybe you should have bought a different car...or just live with it and quit fvcking whinning about it.

I'm guessing you have performance tires on the BMW? If so, there's your problem right there. Talk about clueless...:roll:
 

Black88GTA

Diamond Member
Sep 9, 2003
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now. Jeez, you'd think this would be common sense...what the hell do they teach kids in drivers ed these days? :roll:


"get some decent snow tires" Right, says the guy in California who constantly talks about bicycling to work in the winter. :roll: Snow tires aren't exactly a good idea for many people - today was the ONLY day so far this year they would have done me any good. There were MAYBE 3 days last year where they would have come in handy - in my area at least. And guess what - they're good for maybe 3 seasons before they start to dry rot and become unsafe. Some people may keep them longer, but you're on borrowed time after ~3 years, IMO. And what the fvck do you do with them when they are not being used if you live in an apartment? Stack them in your bedroom?

Not to mention, unless you like getting up early to change tires every time it snows, you'll be riding on them for a couple months at least. Snows have crappy traction, high amounts of road noise, and handle terribly on dry / wet pavement - which is where you'd be using them 98% of the time, at least around here.

That said, it is MUCH easier to control a ~100 HP RWD car vs a ~300 HP RWD car when the road is frozen, regardless of weight in the trunk. My old 105 HP Mustang would run circles in the winter around either one of my V8 cars. I took my ~300 HP BMW to work this morning, and I don't care HOW lightly you feathered the throttle - the rear end would slide out regardless. And I grew up driving through Michigan winters - it's not like I'm some n00b visiting from Texas who's never seen snow in their lifetime.

Please, get a fvcking clue before you start attacking others.

FYI-I grew up driving in upstate NY. I was born there and lived there for 22 years.

I never said it wasn't more difficult to drive a RWD car with more hp in the snow.

No, not directly...however, it was implied when you said "It's just a meaningless bit of information he decided to add" in response to the poster who mentioned that he had a 300HP RWD car that he had to drive in the snow. Why would the "300HP" bit be meaningless?

However, there are things you can do to make it manageable. My second car was a '75 Pontiac LeMans GT with a 350CI engine and mag wheels. Believe me, snow tires made a huge difference in the way that car drove in the snow. I put the wheels on after the first snow and took them off again in the springtime. I guess if you don't have someplace to store an extra set of wheels then maybe you should have bought a different car...or just live with it and quit fvcking whinning about it.

I'm not whining about anything. I took issue with the fact that people on here seem to think that driving a powerful RWD car in the snow is just like any other. It most certainly is not. And you can do all you want to try to make it manageable - it still requires a much different mindset and greater care than driving a 150HP FWD or 4WD. And yes, snow tires make a huge difference, but they are just not practical for many people - as I pointed out.

I'm guessing you have performance tires on the BMW? If so, there's your problem right there. Talk about clueless...:roll:

I do...like I said, the only day I would have benefited from snow tires so far this entire winter was Wednesday. However, my Trans Am with all seasons on it is even worse in the snow.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,598
997
126
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Turin39789
baby it? My car is 40 hp and I did some slippy sliding today when I hit the gas too hard.

Of course you baby it. What I'm saying is that you have much less room for error with the gas pedal with a 300HP car than 130HP or 40HP.

WHAAAAAA!!! MY CAR HAS 300HP!!!!11!1!ONE :(

Put a little weight in the trunk and you'll be fine. Oh, and get some decent snow tires if you have performance tires on it now. Jeez, you'd think this would be common sense...what the hell do they teach kids in drivers ed these days? :roll:


"get some decent snow tires" Right, says the guy in California who constantly talks about bicycling to work in the winter. :roll: Snow tires aren't exactly a good idea for many people - today was the ONLY day so far this year they would have done me any good. There were MAYBE 3 days last year where they would have come in handy - in my area at least. And guess what - they're good for maybe 3 seasons before they start to dry rot and become unsafe. Some people may keep them longer, but you're on borrowed time after ~3 years, IMO. And what the fvck do you do with them when they are not being used if you live in an apartment? Stack them in your bedroom?

Not to mention, unless you like getting up early to change tires every time it snows, you'll be riding on them for a couple months at least. Snows have crappy traction, high amounts of road noise, and handle terribly on dry / wet pavement - which is where you'd be using them 98% of the time, at least around here.

That said, it is MUCH easier to control a ~100 HP RWD car vs a ~300 HP RWD car when the road is frozen, regardless of weight in the trunk. My old 105 HP Mustang would run circles in the winter around either one of my V8 cars. I took my ~300 HP BMW to work this morning, and I don't care HOW lightly you feathered the throttle - the rear end would slide out regardless. And I grew up driving through Michigan winters - it's not like I'm some n00b visiting from Texas who's never seen snow in their lifetime.

Please, get a fvcking clue before you start attacking others.

FYI-I grew up driving in upstate NY. I was born there and lived there for 22 years.

I never said it wasn't more difficult to drive a RWD car with more hp in the snow.

No, not directly...however, it was implied when you said "It's just a meaningless bit of information he decided to add" in response to the poster who mentioned that he had a 300HP RWD car that he had to drive in the snow. Why would the "300HP" bit be meaningless?

However, there are things you can do to make it manageable. My second car was a '75 Pontiac LeMans GT with a 350CI engine and mag wheels. Believe me, snow tires made a huge difference in the way that car drove in the snow. I put the wheels on after the first snow and took them off again in the springtime. I guess if you don't have someplace to store an extra set of wheels then maybe you should have bought a different car...or just live with it and quit fvcking whinning about it.

I'm not whining about anything. I took issue with the fact that people on here seem to think that driving a powerful RWD car in the snow is just like any other. It most certainly is not. And you can do all you want to try to make it manageable - it still requires a much different mindset and greater care than driving a 150HP FWD or 4WD. And yes, snow tires make a huge difference, but they are just not practical for many people - as I pointed out.

I'm guessing you have performance tires on the BMW? If so, there's your problem right there. Talk about clueless...:roll:

I do...like I said, the only day I would have benefited from snow tires so far this entire winter was Wednesday. However, my Trans Am with all seasons on it is even worse in the snow.

Oh please, he was just bragging about his car having 300hp. Look, I already discussed what he needs to do to drive his Mustang in the winter. Hell, I've known people who used to drive Corvette's year round (I thought they were crazy-for exposing their cars to the winter elements...not because they were powerful RWD cars).

Put some weight in the back of the T/A. It's a very front heavy car so some more weight over the rear axle would help you get better traction.