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So, where do you suppose this kid got his guns?

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Zebo said:
Funny when i grew up there were loaded guns in daddys closet, over the fire place, in his dresser drawer and I'm sure a lot you grew up the same and we had no school shootings. None in the 1960s, a couple in the 1970s, couple more in 1980s and Starting in the 90s there is like 10 a year WITH all these guns laws.
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We didn't have readily accessible media like internet and cable TV glamorizing violence either. Back then that stuff was R rated, and even if kids snuck in to a murder flick, they were still being raised by their parents. Now days parents are out of the equation, and kids are being raised by only video games and TV and we can't forget the internet, where every 12 yr old is a tough guy with a gun in a fantasy world that kills bullies on a daily basis. Just spend a few minutes on facebook or myspace and check out all these hard core 11 yr old thugs posing with dads glock and moms cash when nobody is home...
 
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exdeath said:
We didn't have readily accessible media like internet and cable TV glamorizing violence either. Back then that stuff was R rated, and even if kids snuck in to a murder flick, they were still being raised by their parents. Now days parents are out of the equation, and kids are being raised by only video games and TV and we can't forget the internet, where every 12 yr old is a tough guy with a gun in a fantasy world that kills bullies on a daily basis. Just spend a few minutes on facebook or myspace and check out all these hard core 11 yr old thugs posing with dads glock and moms cash when nobody is home...
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There are a lot of reasons. How about raising narcissistic care Bear pussified generation raised and educated by communist idealist hippy washouts with no grip on reality? (thanks amused) The economy which sends both parents out of home? The single mothers? We could be here all day. But guns wont change the equation..
 
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Zebo said:
Funny when i grew up there were loaded guns in daddys closet, over the fire place, in his dresser drawer and I'm sure a lot you grew up the same and we had no school shootings. None in the 1960s, a couple in the 1970s, couple more in 1980s and Starting in the 90s there is like 10 a year WITH all these guns laws.
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No school shootings in the 1960s? Really? I find that hard to believe.

I'm betting you pulled those statistics out of your ass.
 
Drako said:
Same here.

We had access to all kinds of hunting rifles and hand guns when I was growing up back in the 60's and 70's. Of course, we were uneducated country folk, unlike the OP 🙂.
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We had 2 guns in my house when I was a child. A .22 caliber bolt action rifle and a 30-06 bolt action rifle. I knew where both guns were kept but the ammo was hidden away somewhere else.

No handguns. One of our neighbors was a prison guard and he would shoot his service revolver out behind his house every once in a while (when he wasn't drunk and beating his wife). In fact, I never touched a handgun until I was in my early 20s.
 
JulesMaximus said:
That is entirely my point...how does a 15 year old kid gain access to that sort of tool?

I have an 8 year old and I keep my guns locked up. I sure as hell don't want some other 8 year old bringing Daddy's handgun to school and offing himself or my kid.

If that's the school my son was attending I'd want some fucking answers!
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His parents could have given it to him legally.
 
Anubis said:
wouldent be hard to kill someone with a math or US history text book or say a pen to the eye
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That's assuming the victims just lay down and let the 15 year old have their way with them. It's actually pretty damn hard to kill someone with a book let alone take a group of people hostage with one.
 
JulesMaximus said:
Right...wikipedia. It must be true then.
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I take it you won't be donating then?🙂 Look you said I pulled stats out of my ass I then provide source I used - if you don't like it provide something that shows school shootings back then. My point is guns were everywhere, no child locks which add $10 to every gun sold, no back ground checks, no gun free school zones and there were no shootings or virtually none compared to 1990s onward with all these laws. If you take guns kids will just use cocktails which are actually much more dangerous in enclosed spaces. If you take gas... well you get the idea. Addressing tools does nothing. Source of these brats need addressing.
 
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Zebo said:
I take it you won't be donating then?🙂 Look you said I pulled stats out of my ass I then provide source I used - if you don't like it provide something that shows school shootings back then. My point is guns were everywhere, no child locks which add $10 to every gun sold, no back ground checks, no gun free school zones and there were no shootings or virtually none compared to 1990s onward with all these laws. If you take guns kids will just use cocktails which are actually much more dangerous in enclosed spaces. If you take gas... well you get the idea. Addressing tools does nothing. Source of these brats need addressing.
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I seem to remember someone posting a link to a news story from the 1970s just a few weeks ago about a school shooting.

Just because wikipedia doesn't have it listed doesn't mean there were none. Wikipedia is by no means a definitive source.
 
Did you even read it? Wiki shows the shootings in the 1970s most are not "school shooting" by modern defintion see footnote there. It's very inclusive actually showing those. Still nothing compared to 90s on
 
Zebo said:
There are a lot of reasons. How about raising narcissistic care Bear pussified generation raised and educated by communist idealist hippy washouts with no grip on reality? (thanks amused) The economy which sends both parents out of home? The single mothers? We could be here all day. But guns wont change the equation..
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Oh the everybody is special, everybody Is equal, everybody is a winner, one person getting first place is bad mentally...barf.
 
Zebo said:
Did you even read it? Wiki shows the shootings in the 1970s most are not "school shooting" by modern defintion see footnote there. It's very inclusive actually showing those. Still nothing compared to 90s on
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Honestly, I don't think as many people owned handguns during the 1950s and 60s as you think or certainly not as many. I grew up in a rural area of upstate NY and only knew one person who owned a handgun...ONE handgun. Shit, I own 5 myself today and I have several friends who own one or more handguns.

I certainly think this type of shooting is more exposed due to the instant access to news media these days.
 
FDF12389 said:
Shit, we need new laws. We need to make this illegal.
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Wrong we should let all of our kids carry guns at school. No kid can kill others if everyone has a gun!

This is why I carried to every school I went to (age permitting) at no point in time was some dumb kid going to kill me cause he did not study for finals!
 
You guys completely miss the point as always. The reason there are so many school shootings nowadays is that kids have nothing to do. Bring back child labor and kids won't have time to think about shooting anyone!
 
JulesMaximus said:
That is entirely my point...how does a 15 year old kid gain access to that sort of tool?

I have an 8 year old and I keep my guns locked up. I sure as hell don't want some other 8 year old bringing Daddy's handgun to school and offing himself or my kid.

If that's the school my son was attending I'd want some fucking answers!
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My dad never locked weapons away - though did keep ammo and firearms separate. He hadn't shown me where everything was until I was a teenager, but by then he had made crystal clear the nature of firearm safety and proper handling.
Is that enough? In my eyes, yes. Someone who is fucked up is going to find things they can use one way or another, and with dedication, it isn't exactly all that difficult. I don't know any firearm salesman that operate out of vans or alleys, but I guarantee it wouldn't be difficult to find one (especially here in Toledo), as long as I talked to the right individuals, probably getting in contact with a friend of a friend of a friend.

And hell, I knew where most of all my dad's things were before I was even a teenager, I reckon. Christmas snooping sometimes ends up with finding things you didn't expect, and sometimes things you wish you hadn't seen. 😀 D:

Anyhow, point was made earlier in this post.

Those firearms I've still never touched unless my dad has brought them out. Playing around with guns is an absolutely stupid idea, that was something I knew my whole life. Hell, simply being 8 or 10 or whatever, and hearing on the news some kid your age died when he and his brother were playing around with a handgun they found... that kind of perks up your mind a little. I got the chances to fire those very pistols, or my grandpas rifle, when I was young... out in the country on relative's farm, and felt that was sufficient for my curiosity at that age.

And imho, having weapons locked is simply an excuse to not instill the fear and respect (of firearms) into young children. And such safety measures only add unnecessary delay if one desperately needs said firearms (unless, of course... one doesn't believe in using a firearm inside the house to protect the property... then that delay doesn't ever come into question I guess).
 
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