So where are the GOP candidates birth certificates?

[Throckmorton]

Mitt Romney's grandfather was a Mexican polygamist

 

[CallMeJoe]

Mitt Romney's grandfather was a Mexican polygamist

Governor Romney's grandfather may have lived in Mexico, but I believe his great-grandfather was the last actual polygamist in the family.

 

[cybrsage]

exerpt from 14th amendment of the constitution


Since he was born in Hawaii what is the basis of challenging his citizenship??

Dunno, you will have to ask a birther.

 

[UberNeuman]

I've checked the sites of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Cain, Bachman, Huntsman, Paul - and didn't find any information about their birth certificates...

What are they hiding...?

 

[cybrsage]

They are hiding yellow cake.

 

[UberNeuman]

Governor Romney's grandfather may have lived in Mexico, but I believe his great-grandfather was the last actual polygamist in the family.

Well, that was big of him...

 

[CanOWorms]

I've checked the sites of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Cain, Bachman, Huntsman, Paul - and didn't find any information about their birth certificates...

What are they hiding...?

Ron Paul is just so crazy and racist that he's probably not even born on Earth.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I am pretty sure that Mitt Romney is a robot, so I would like to see his manufacturing papers.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

exerpt from 14th amendment of the constitution


Since he was born in Hawaii what is the basis of challenging his citizenship??

Ignore cybrtroll.....notice how he refuses to come out and say Obama was born in the US. He either dances around the issue, saying it doesn't matter, or he says his mother was a US citizen. Hmmm.

 

[Jaskalas]

Have any of the GOP candidates provided this important information yet?

I've been told this is an important issue...

How many of them have a foreign father or mother?

 

[xBiffx]

These are not presidential candidates. They are candidates for the GOP nomination. When one is selected as the nominee he will become the GOP presidential candidate. I expect at that time we will see full disclose of these documents.

 

[xBiffx]

The constitution requires a Natural Born Citizen. Too bad the framers didn't define that. But they were specific enough to not use just the word citizen, which was used throughout the document, when defining the requirements of president. One can only assume that NBC means something different from just citizen but you would have too look outside the document to other documents of the time to get a clue as to what they might have meant. Too bad nothing conclusive within the Constitution exists.

Its assumed by looking at other historical documents that the framers would have known and used, that the words Natural Born citizen mean a citizen born from two citizen parents. This would be different from just a citizen who could have been born from one citizen parent and a non citizen parent or a parent who had been naturalized. A non NBC, it was suggested, could hold allegiance to more than one country due to one of the parents not being a citizen.

Again, this is all post assumption since there is no definition within the Constitution itself. Historians can only assume this is the definition given the knowledge available at the time of the framing of the Constitution.

 

[Mursilis]

Have any of the GOP candidates provided this important information yet?

I've been told this is an important issue...

Maybe you should stop listening to crazy people then.

 

[Ausm]

What for? They're white dude.

+1

 

[Ausm]

Maybe you should stop listening to crazy people then.

That would constitute 3/4 of the Republicans in Congress and the other 1/4 are to afraid to think on their own.

 

[kage69]

This stopped being an important issue once Clinton dropped it. If the clinton machine couldnt dig up the dirt the tea party had no chance.

I stand corrected. I agree, probably should have left that word out!

 

[cybrsage]

Ignore cybrtroll.....notice how he refuses to come out and say Obama was born in the US. He either dances around the issue, saying it doesn't matter, or he says his mother was a US citizen. Hmmm.

CowardtheCat,

I am NOT one of the birthers...as expressly stated by my answer that he will have to ask a birther that question.

My point is simply that being born in the US is not a requirement to be a natural born citizen. It is irrelevant if someone is born in the US or not. Being born here is simply ONE of the ways to be a natural born citizen...but not the ONLY way.

That is where most birthers fail, they think it is the only way.


However, since you are incapable of following a simple conversation, I will expressly state that which you fail to grasp:

Obama presented a birth certificate from Hawaii showing he was born in Hawaii. Since Hawaii was a US State at the time of his birth, that would make him a Natural Born US Citizen via item 1 on the list of legals ways to have that status.

 

[cybrsage]

The constitution requires a Natural Born Citizen. Too bad the framers didn't define that. But they were specific enough to not use just the word citizen, which was used throughout the document, when defining the requirements of president. One can only assume that NBC means something different from just citizen but you would have too look outside the document to other documents of the time to get a clue as to what they might have meant. Too bad nothing conclusive within the Constitution exists.

Its assumed by looking at other historical documents that the framers would have known and used, that the words Natural Born citizen mean a citizen born from two citizen parents. This would be different from just a citizen who could have been born from one citizen parent and a non citizen parent or a parent who had been naturalized. A non NBC, it was suggested, could hold allegiance to more than one country due to one of the parents not being a citizen.

Again, this is all post assumption since there is no definition within the Constitution itself. Historians can only assume this is the definition given the knowledge available at the time of the framing of the Constitution.

The Constitution left it up to Congress to make rules on what would be needed to have the Natural Born Citizen status. As of the time of this writing, it is currently:

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH



Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:


(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;


(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;


(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;


(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;


(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;


(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;



(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and


(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9679.html

 

[cybrsage]

How many of them have a foreign father or mother?

This is the key, but the racists here want to make it a racial issue.

 

[HomerJS]

This is the key, but the racists here want to make it a racial issue.

It is a racial issue when one is born in the United States and people still question it. Go back and harass some of those white boys and we can take the racial issue off the table.

 

[Throckmorton]

Governor Romney's grandfather may have lived in Mexico, but I believe his great-grandfather was the last actual polygamist in the family.

Show me proof. I also heard that Romney speaks French.

 

[cybrsage]

It is a racial issue when one is born in the United States and people still question it. Go back and harass some of those white boys and we can take the racial issue off the table.

It is people like you who pretend Obama having a non-citizen father is irrelevant to people thinking he was not born in the US.

Even the most rabid racists admit blacks are born in the US every day.

It is only those who demand things be made racial, like you are, that it becomes a racist issue. You are fueling racism with your demands.

 

[soundforbjt]

It is people like you who pretend Obama having a non-citizen father is irrelevant to people thinking he was not born in the US.

Even the most rabid racists admit blacks are born in the US every day.

It is only those who demand things be made racial, like you are, that it becomes a racist issue. You are fueling racism with your demands.

Didn't you say you were a birther when you first joined?