So what's the point of crossover vehicles again?

[Monster_Munch]

I don't understand why people think wagons are uncool. The Merc E63 Wagon is way cooler than any crossover or SUV.

 

[Numenorean]

I don't understand why people think wagons are uncool. The Merc E63 Wagon is way cooler than any crossover or SUV.

That thing is ugly.

 

[ElFenix]

I picked a crossover because I wanted more room than a sedan but had no need for the towing and such. I have an AWD Nissan Rogue and it's a solid car. It's about as effecient as my old '90 Accord I got rid of yet I have a lot more room and utility for my own needs. I don't need to haul anything other than people and the occaisonal load of gear or boxes of shit. It handles the winters here in northern Indiana better than most sedans and has a decent amount more ground clearance as well.

It filled the niche for people that wanted more room, but didn't want to sacrifice efficiency if they didn't need the power of a true SUV. As said before, they're basically a slicker wagon.

:hmm:

 

[sdifox]

I don't understand why people think wagons are uncool. The Merc E63 Wagon is way cooler than any crossover or SUV.

0-60 under 4 :biggrin:


not imported, you have to request it and they'll order it for you. May as well go pick it up in Germany.

 

[gorcorps]

:hmm:

What? I have more driver room and can fit more stuff in the back than the trunk of other sedans I've had/used. I'm not sure how the other passengers feel but nuts to them... as long as I'm comfortable that's all that matters :awe:

 

[Capt Caveman]

:hmm:

Rogue has 30 cu ft of cargo space with the seats up, most sedans have around 15 cu ft of trunk space.

 

[Fayd]

lulz

Crossovers don't belong offroad.

doesn't necessarily have to be offroad. they might be better in snow, for example.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I don't understand why people think wagons are uncool. The Merc E63 Wagon is way cooler than any crossover or SUV.

That wagon is hidddddeous.

 

[PimpJuice]

I haven't seen a crossover offroading yet.

nobody cares dude

the majority of people who own these vehicles have no desire to go "off-roading" the way you are trying to imply. Nobody is buying a nissan rogue to climb rocks.

 

[Monster_Munch]

0-60 under 4 :biggrin:


not imported, you have to request it and they'll order it for you. May as well go pick it up in Germany.

They sell them here in England, but it's about £77k. Still I would get one over Porsche Cayenne if I had that sort of money.

It does have one of the best engine noises of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkmLyrgmQDY

 

[gorcorps]

nobody cares dude

the majority of people who own these vehicles have no desire to go "off-roading" the way you are trying to imply. Nobody is buying a nissan rogue to climb rocks.

Hey now, don't sell it short. I conquered a particularly tricky patch of gravel the other day... WHILE TURNING

 

[Fingolfin269]

Hey now, don't sell it short. I conquered a particularly tricky patch of gravel the other day... WHILE TURNING

Were you also driving in reverse? Madness!

My next vehicle will probably be either a smaller hatch or a mid-size xover. I'm thinking either a Versa h/b or a Rogue.

 

[Numenorean]

nobody cares dude

the majority of people who own these vehicles have no desire to go "off-roading" the way you are trying to imply. Nobody is buying a nissan rogue to climb rocks.

I'm not saying that they are. There are other people in here saying that crossovers are good for offroading. I don't know anyone who would actually use one to do that.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm not saying that they are. There are other people in here saying that crossovers are good for offroading. I don't know anyone who would actually use one to do that.

Exactly. I think the point is to combine the best of having a sedan with the main reason the SUV craze exploded: interior space. I doubt the majority of people rolling around in SUVs are offroading either.

 

[Numenorean]

Exactly. I think the point is to combine the best of having a sedan with the main reason the SUV craze exploded: interior space. I doubt the majority of people rolling around in SUVs are offroading either.

Not many SUVs are very suitable for offroading either. Most is for passenger capacity, cargo capacity, towing, or just because it's huge. AWD/4WD can be helpful in areas that see decent amounts of snow each year. The problem comes when people think that AWD/4WD means you can drive like there isn't snow on the ground.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'm not saying that they are. There are other people in here saying that crossovers are good for offroading. I don't know anyone who would actually use one to do that.

And like I've demonstrated some are capable of your version of offroading. Heck, Touareg's compete in the Baja 1000 annually. But for most people offroading is getting to a trailhead, going down a fireroad or even getting thru the woods/desert/mud that a conventional vehicle couldn't make thru.

 

[mmntech]

Crossovers are just SUVs without calling them such. The name came about at the height of the green movement when Sport Ute became a dirty word.

I always laugh that Ford considers the Edge/MKX and Flex crossovers.

 

[Numenorean]

And like I've demonstrated some are capable of your version of offroading. Heck, Touareg's compete in the Baja 1000 annually. But for most people offroading is getting to a trailhead, going down a fireroad or even getting thru the woods/desert/mud that a conventional vehicle couldn't make thru.

I haven't seen you demonstrate any that are capable of offroading yet.

 

[vi edit]

Crossovers are just SUVs without calling them such. The name came about at the height of the green movement when Sport Ute became a dirty word.

I always laugh that Ford considers the Edge/MKX and Flex crossovers.

Eh, I think the term SUV is still used to reference the original truck based, body on frame concept while crossover has now been adopted to identify car based, unibody construction.

It will be interesting to see what Ford calls the new Explorer. It's built off the Taurus-X/Flex platform and no longer truck based.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I haven't seen you demonstrate any that are capable of offroading yet.

Already have but just doesn't meet your definition of offroading, plenty of offroading clubs would though. I'm guessing this isn't considered offroading either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8RHh5Oz34&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8o1B0mcYGg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqYnzAtrTUU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQTo_Wo0B4&NR=1

 

[Capt Caveman]

Eh, I think the term SUV is still used to reference the original truck based, body on frame concept while crossover has now been adopted to identify car based, unibody construction.

It will be interesting to see what Ford calls the new Explorer. It's built off the Taurus-X/Flex platform and no longer truck based.

The new Explorer is considered a Crossover.

 

[Numenorean]

Already have but just doesn't meet your definition of offroading, plenty of offroading clubs would though. I'm guessing this isn't considered offroading either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8RHh5Oz34&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQTo_Wo0B4&NR=1

I looked at your second video there. The Audi. This is what it says:

"This is how you drive an Audi Q5 2.0 TDi Quatro up an obstacle on the Sani Pass between Kwazulu-Natal, South Africa - and Lesotho Mountain Kingdom"

Problem with it is nowhere in the video does it show any obstacles at all.

The Baja typically uses highly modified vehicles, so I doubt that the Toureg is anywhere near stock configuration. Also, it's mostly on flat dirt roads.

 

[gorcorps]

The new Explorer is considered a Crossover.

Is it really? Huh, I thought the crossover class was a bit more restrictive than that.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Is it really? Huh, I thought the crossover class was a bit more restrictive than that.

I guess it can fall under both Crossover and SUV. Crossover's are really SUVs that use a car platform. The new Explorer uses the same platform as the Ford Flex. The Dodge Durango used to be based on the Ram platform but now also uses a car platform.

Edmunds categorizes it as a Crossover and SUV. Here's their list - http://www.edmunds.com/finder/car-finder-results.html?finder_q=type:Crossover;

 

[TwiceOver]

All of the advantages of an SUV without the high pricetag. Looking at a few options right now. We don't need a big ass suburban 8mpg $50k house on wheels, but we need something bigger than a car.