So what's the diff between a tea party member and a republican?

[Jaskalas]

So what's the diff between a tea party member and a republican?

It is (hopefully) an attempt rid the nation of big-gov Republicans like Bush. We've quite a large number in Congress to get rid of.

 

[EXman]

Tea partiers are people who are too stupid and lazy to follow politics but finally found someone who can speak at their level and direct them (Palin), and have a brown person they can focus their anger at.

And they say no one watches Katie Curic!

 

[bamacre]

And they say no one watches Katie Curic!

lol

 

[zsdersw]

They have in the past and to say otherwise is silly. Gay Marriage on the ballots in 2004 swept Bush into a second term.

No it's not. Gay marriage wasn't in Bush's campaign ads, nor was it featured prominently in his speeches or in the debates. It was put on the ballots by state and local Republicans hoping to turn out the base of the party.

Fat lot of good that did for them, though. When the base of either party is happy, most of the country isn't.. hence the congressional losses for the Republicans in 2006.

 

[PJABBER]

Tea partiers are people who are too stupid and lazy to follow politics but finally found someone who can speak at their level and direct them (Palin), and have a brown person they can focus their anger at.

Tea partiers are people who were too busy working and raising their families to follow politics until they woke up one day and saw that the government was starting to make that next to impossible.

They saw smart guys like Rick Santelli going ballistic and took it to heart. Santelli's rant kicked off but did not cause the most powerful political movement in America today.

They started going to town halls and then they started going to demonstrations by the hundreds of thousands.

Why? Because government stopped representing the ordinary person and has become only a tool of special interests.

The Democrats in their great hubris awakened the force that will now sweep them from office.

Palin may be an inspiration to the Tea Partiers but this is a grass roots movement in the truest sense of those words. There is no Great Leader of the Tea Party, there is no real structure, but there are lots and lots of ordinary people that have become energized enough to push back against non-representative government and entitlement politics.

The color of a persons skin is only a focus for the liberals amongst us. It is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of everyone else, including the Tea Partiers. Understand that and you will finally enter the modern age.

 

[EXman]

No it's not. Gay marriage wasn't in Bush's campaign ads, nor was it featured prominently in his speeches or in the debates. It was put on the ballots by state and local Republicans hoping to turn out the base of the party.

It mobilized the Base all over the country. Especially in Ohio. Ohio. You cannot win w/o Ohio. Parties move as an entity it does not have to be in Bush's ad if candidate X is already driving it home locally and then it is repeated through out the country where it will get the turn out that is already large due to the national elections.

 

[zsdersw]

Tea partiers are people who were too busy working and raising their families to follow politics until they woke up one day and saw that the government was starting to make that next to impossible.

They saw smart guys like Rick Santelli going ballistic and took it to heart. Santelli's rant kicked off but did not cause the most powerful political movement in America today.

They started going to town halls and then they started going to demonstrations by the hundreds of thousands.

Why? Because government stopped representing the ordinary person and has become only a tool of special interests.

The Democrats in their great hubris awakened the force that will now sweep them from office.

Palin may be an inspiration to the Tea Partiers but this is a grass roots movement in the truest sense of those words. There is no Great Leader of the Tea Party, there is no real structure, but there are lots and lots of ordinary people that have become energized enough to push back against non-representative government and entitlement politics.

The color of a persons skin is only a focus for the liberals amongst us. It is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of everyone else, including the Tea Partiers. Understand that and you will finally enter the modern age.

The rub for people like the Tea Partiers and their counterparts on the left is that the RINOs and DINOs, respectively, that they denounce and decry are the people who have the broadest appeal and are the most electable.

For all their sound and fury, the Tea Party on the right and the MoveOn ilk on the left are minor players on the big national stage. Big on attention, small on political power. Attention whores, all of them.

 

[zsdersw]

It mobilized the Base all over the country. Especially in Ohio. Ohio. You cannot win w/o Ohio. Parties move as an entity it does not have to be in Bush's ad if candidate X is already driving it home locally and then it is repeated through out the country where it will get the turn out that is already large due to the national elections.

There's lots of electoral math that doesn't make Ohio the key state, but that's beside the point.

It wasn't in Bush's campaign because it wouldn't do well for them nationally. It only works locally. If the Republican party put in its party platform a plank about outlawing gay marriage or a plank about ending all abortion and featured these things prominently in the campaign they'd lose.. and lose big. It's all about who gets mobilized and energized.. and where.

 

[EXman]

There's lots of electoral math that doesn't make Ohio the key state, but that's beside the point.

lol go look at the last how many ever national elections and then come back.

 

[zsdersw]

lol go look at the last how many ever national elections and then come back.

You said that no one can win without Ohio. Past elections are past elections. The electoral math changes with each one. Ohio is an important state, just like Pennsylvania and Florida are, but it's not the only state that could be the "must win" state in any given election.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
What middle class?

The ones now that will have to bow to the Dems for over two years of unemployment and Obama for handouts.

and it's Obama's fault how?

 

[PJABBER]

The rub for people like the Tea Partiers and their counterparts on the left is that the RINOs and DINOs, respectively, that they denounce and decry are the people who have the broadest appeal and are the most electable.

For all their sound and fury, the Tea Party on the right and the MoveOn ilk on the left are minor players on the big national stage. Big on attention, small on political power. Attention whores, all of them.

I am still thinking that ideological purity is the call of the day in this cycle. Mid-terms tend to be about motivated bases, not so much a general electorate.

The lefties have shot their wad for the moment, after all, they are in power (at least until next February, and at least in a power sharing arrangement for a couple of years after.)

But, man oh man, the right and the fiscal conservatives and the mad as hell independents, their day is coming and they know it. Which is why it is very likely that the next election will be a bloodbath for the Dems.

For all intents and purposes, the Tea Partiers have found their voice now for about a year. Though they don't have a formal organization, they know that they are not alone. They just have to see those rallies with hundreds of thousands on the Mall in DC month after month on TV (yes, CBS, more than a thousand DID show up) to know they have power and now they will show that power at the ballot box.

Every single one of them told everyone that they finally went to DC to show them whut fer. Every single one of them will vote and get all of their friends and family to vote as well.

Fringe? I don't get that impression from seeing who actually goes to the rallies. Just a bunch of pissed off, yet friendly, people like you will find anywhere in the country. No abstract political theorists, no economists, no real organizers, it is spontaneous, democratic and populist, baby!

You can't attack mom and apple pie, and that is what Tea Partiers are. The more the pundits attack them as rubes, the more they get set in their ways. Smarmy lefties like Maddow and Cooper thought it was funny to use gay slang. That shit don't fly in Peoria (pardon my French!) Calling them all kinds of insulting things and claiming they don't have a real voice polarized mommy, granny and the guy with the big cigar that drives a truck for a living into becoming an entrenched political base, one that will now give you change you can believe in.

 

[zsdersw]

I am still thinking that ideological purity is the call of the day in this cycle. Mid-terms tend to be about motivated bases, not so much a general electorate.

The lefties have shot their wad for the moment, after all, they are in power (at least until next February, and at least in a power sharing arrangement for a couple of years after.)

But, man oh man, the right and the fiscal conservatives and the mad as hell independents, their day is coming and they know it. Which is why it is very likely that the next election will be a bloodbath for the Dems.

For all intents and purposes, the Tea Partiers have found their voice now for about a year. Though they don't have a formal organization, they know that they are not alone. They just have to see those rallies with hundreds of thousands on the Mall in DC month after month on TV (yes, CBS, more than a thousand DID show up) to know they have power and now they will show that power at the ballot box.

Every single one of them told everyone that they finally went to DC to show them whut fer. Every single one of them will vote and get all of their friends and family to vote as well.

Fringe? I don't get that impression from seeing who actually goes to the rallies. Just a bunch of pissed off, yet friendly, people like you will find anywhere in the country. No abstract political theorists, no economists, no real organizers, it is spontaneous, democratic and populist, baby!

You can't attack mom and apple pie, and that is what Tea Partiers are. The more the pundits attack them as rubes, the more they get set in their ways. Smarmy lefties like Maddow and Cooper thought it was funny to use gay slang. That shit don't fly in Peoria (pardon my French!) Calling them all kinds of insulting things and claiming they don't have a real voice polarized mommy, granny and the guy with the big cigar that drives a truck for a living into becoming an entrenched political base, one that will now give you change you can believe in.

As a group, yes, the Tea Party is a part of the fringe. Individuals who associate with the Tea Party may not be and are, I have no doubt, from every walk of life, but that doesn't mean the movement of which they are a part isn't on the fringe.

 

[Schadenfroh]

This was discussed on NPR this morning.

In theory, The Tea Party should be non-partisan and be devoted just to the cause of fiscal conservatism, just as the NRA is non-partisan and strictly devoted to the 2nd Amendment.

In practice, most are social conservatives as well and do not separate the two causes.

 

[nyker96]

I am actually wondering, what is the difference between the Tea Party vs. Libertarians? They seems to be the same.

 

[BoberFett]

I am actually wondering, what is the difference between the Tea Party vs. Libertarians? They seems to be the same.

To be fair, based on your other posts here you're an idiot, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference.

 

[BoomerD]

The Tea Party supporters are just Republicans in denial...

 

[zsdersw]

I am actually wondering, what is the difference between the Tea Party vs. Libertarians? They seems to be the same.

Tea Partiers are much more likely to be social conservatives, even though it's fiscal matters that currently have them so motivated.

Libertarians are as much against legislating the Bible and morality as they are against taxes, spending, and big government.