So what's going to be the most cost-efficient Conroe?

Ichigo

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As in, does the cache really matter? What about the lowest-end with a slower FSB? Will these things matter in realworld performance?

All this considering I'm aiming for at least 3.2Ghz.
 

stevty2889

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Well hard to say without some real reviews with mulitple real world programs. Generaly some programs will benifit more from cache than others. Because of the low multipliers you'll need a high FSB to get a good OC, so a good motherboard will be neccessary. Personaly I am going for the 1.6ghz with 800mhz FSB, because it will be easier to overclock do to the initialy lower FSB.
 

secretanchitman

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probably the E6600 2.4Ghz, as its the lowest model with 4MB of cache. it has a 9x multiplier. ive seen screenshots (xtremesystems forums) of it getting above 3Ghz.

all of the conroe chips will have a 1066 bus (so 266FSB starting), except for the lowest model which is the 1.6Ghz and has a 800mhz bus (200FSB starting) like stevty stated.
 

Ichigo

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I'm getting conflicting arguments here. The lowest end vs. the lowest end w/ 4MB of L2 cache. Now, if these two were BOTH overclocked to let's say 3Ghz, would performance in video encoding and gaming dramatically alter or would there be only a small difference. I don't mind paying half the price for 95% of the performance, considering how great Conroe is already.
 

thestain

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Intel has priced the E6600 that comes with 4 MB of cache in the sweet spot of most bang for the buck at $316

No ifs, ands or buts imo

the E6700 at $530 would probably be next followed by some of the lower speed versions based on price and the Xtreme version even at 1k would give you some bang for the buck, but not as much as the rest.



 

stevty2889

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Originally posted by: thestain
Intel has priced the E6600 that comes with 4 MB of cache in the sweet spot of most bang for the buck at $316

No ifs, ands or buts imo

the E6700 at $530 would probably be next followed by some of the lower speed versions based on price and the Xtreme version even at 1k would give you some bang for the buck, but not as much as the rest.

The lower multi with the higher stock FSB will make it more difficult to OC though.

 

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The multi on the E6600 is 9x266 = 2.4Ghz + 4MB Cache
The multi on the E4200 is 8x200 = 1.6Ghz + 2MB Cache

The E6600 is the sweet spot imho too :)
 

Ichigo

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Guess I really will have to wait until these things get released... If the E4200 can OC to 3Ghz+, I'm getting that, as long as the lower FSB and Cache don't impact real-world performance too badly. I guess something like 90%+ performance would be in the acceptable range.

I mean, half the price, most of the awesomeness. Hard not to like.
 

TraumaRN

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If I were to buy Conroe.....which I might IF and ONLY if there is a decent priced mobo that can overclock and by decent price I mean <130 US dollars. If I get the 2.4Ghz w/4mb cache i like the fact that as long as I get an extra 66mhz out of the FSB I'll be at 3ghz. And that I think and hope is reasonable.
 

Ichigo

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So what I'm asking is if the 4MB of cache will actually matter in gaming/video encoding.
 

Skott

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We wont really know for sure till the Conroe actually ships and benchmarking is done. Till then its all just speculation IMO. Looking forward to tests though.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: secretanchitman
probably the E6600 2.4Ghz, as its the lowest model with 4MB of cache. it has a 9x multiplier. ive seen screenshots (xtremesystems forums) of it getting above 3Ghz.

all of the conroe chips will have a 1066 bus (so 266FSB starting), except for the lowest model which is the 1.6Ghz and has a 800mhz bus (200FSB starting) like stevty stated.

Cache isn't everything, if anything you'd want to get a model with very little cache as it will really limit your clocks since they might not be able to handle the overclocks as well as a model with disabled caches.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: Ichigo
So what I'm asking is if the 4MB of cache will actually matter in gaming/video encoding.

That is far from the only thing to consider. Being the 4200 is a multiplier behind the 6600 even if it were based on the same chip but with half the cache disabled for reasons of low yeilds, those low yields are going to make it less likely that you'll be able to hit the same FSB settings if you can even make it to the 266 of the 6600. Thus the reason for speed binning items. Near introduction yields are typically low enough that the speed binnings hold true, or atleast more true than a while into the cycle.

Take into example the A64's, at their inception they overclocked well but, no one would have immagined a 3ghz 3200 early in the cycle as we're seeing now.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
probably the E6600 2.4Ghz, as its the lowest model with 4MB of cache. it has a 9x multiplier. ive seen screenshots (xtremesystems forums) of it getting above 3Ghz.

all of the conroe chips will have a 1066 bus (so 266FSB starting), except for the lowest model which is the 1.6Ghz and has a 800mhz bus (200FSB starting) like stevty stated.

Cache isn't everything, if anything you'd want to get a model with very little cache as it will really limit your clocks since they might not be able to handle the overclocks as well as a model with disabled caches.

Huh? really little caches are typically thus because a section has been disabled... Atleast when cache's are different on the same core, as the conroe's will be. Your statement makes no sense at all.
 

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I'm definitely going to be building a system around the E6600.

I'm still using a P4 3.06 system from 2002 so I'm figuring I'll more than double my performance in multithreaded applications.

I've never had a system this long. In a way I'll be sorry to see the old Northwood go, we've been through a lot together.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
probably the E6600 2.4Ghz, as its the lowest model with 4MB of cache. it has a 9x multiplier. ive seen screenshots (xtremesystems forums) of it getting above 3Ghz.

all of the conroe chips will have a 1066 bus (so 266FSB starting), except for the lowest model which is the 1.6Ghz and has a 800mhz bus (200FSB starting) like stevty stated.

Cache isn't everything, if anything you'd want to get a model with very little cache as it will really limit your clocks since they might not be able to handle the overclocks as well as a model with disabled caches.

Huh? really little caches are typically thus because a section has been disabled... Atleast when cache's are different on the same core, as the conroe's will be. Your statement makes no sense at all.

No, if anything YOUR statement/paragraph makes no sense. It allows it to overclock more because if the section of the cache is disabled, you're less likely to be limited by your overclock because of the cache failing to run at the speed you're overclocking to. Sections that are disabled on processors are ones that could not pass testing, so intel has done the job for you in eliminating what could prevent you from achieving high clocks.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Hulk
I'm definitely going to be building a system around the E6600.

I'm still using a P4 3.06 system from 2002 so I'm figuring I'll more than double my performance in multithreaded applications.

I've never had a system this long. In a way I'll be sorry to see the old Northwood go, we've been through a lot together.

Eh, unless you're going to be doing stuff like movie editing, you won't really get the jump you're looking for.. Gaming still isn't that heavily CPU dependent, and with innovations like the physics card coming our way (assuming the games are properly coded), your CPU should last even longer..
 

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Maybe I'm not seeing something properly, but are there any price ranges for these chips? I'm really tempted to just buy a Pentium D 930 and some decent motherboard right now, I'm not quite sold on Conroe yet (depending on CPU and mb prices)... although I would consider buying a "badaxe" if i got the right revision. That still doesn't solve the problem that all my drives are IDE/ATA. Thanks in advance.
 

jazzboy

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Originally posted by: luigionlsdThat still doesn't solve the problem that all my drives are IDE/ATA. Thanks in advance.

I think you can buy PCI IDE cards so you can keep your drives.
 

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I'm pretty sure physics cards aren't going to be what they're all hyped up to be.......they're are a few benchmarks out there that you can see screen shots of Farcry I think, although it does look somewhat better, I don't think it's that big of a deal. DirectX10 release will play a MUCH bigger role then a phs-x card. But anyway, Iplan on getting the E6700 you guys think it's worth it?? Or are you guys saying I can achieve the speeds of an OC'd E6700 with and OC'd E6600?? Cuz if so thats a hell of an OC....i'm a bit cornfused
 

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Eh, unless you're going to be doing stuff like movie editing, you won't really get the jump you're looking for.. Gaming still isn't that heavily CPU dependent, and with innovations like the physics card coming our way (assuming the games are properly coded), your CPU should last even longer..

I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Conroe is not simply bringing a handful of extra FPS to the gaming benchmarks, but more towards 20-50 and even higher above the FX-62. The whole arguement for skimping on the CPU to invest more for the GPU will likely not apply in many cases with the "Core" uArch. A 2.4ghz Conroe is able to tie or exceed a FX-62 in the gaming benchmarks.

Secondly, cache on Conroe is likely to be very different from both AMD's K8 uArch and even the Netburst based designs. While there are no benchmarks (That I know of) as of yet comparing the processor at different FSB's or cache sizes, based off the plethora of balanced and not so balanced benchmarks that are out there I am expecting the L2 cache size to have a noticable impact on performance.

Another way to look at it is to consider this... a processor that can achieve FPS rates 50+ above a FX-62 on the same vid card and same drives and same memory, will very likely be a very data hungry chip. It has to be fed somehow... and it has already been proven that the 4mb cache plays a very large part in helping to hide the increased memory latency from not having an onboard memory controller compared to AMD.

As the CPU mutlipliers are so low, I wouldn't expect the E4200 to OC to well. I would expect that Intel will bin down most of the worst case, yet still running, CPUs to this bin level. If it wasn't for Intel's strict binning standards, I might even say some E4200s might be faulty enough that they might not work at a full 1066FSB speed.

Regardless, I am personally torn between getting the E6600 2.4ghz 4mb part for $316, or waiting until January when I can buy a $999 quad-core Kentsfield, that has two Conroe dies in it, will have an unlocked multiplier, and should already have a high clock speed. :D With that line of reasoning though I could wait forever... But my own Northwood is holding up fairly well, so...

Edit: Have a linky to a massive compliation of data on Conroe. I hope I won't get into trouble for linking to THG here... :music: THG Forum Thread. While much of it is out of date (A0 Steppings), or simply not balanced benchmarks, or are Intel sanctioned black box benchmark bakeoffs... there are some good links there regarding Conroe.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
probably the E6600 2.4Ghz, as its the lowest model with 4MB of cache. it has a 9x multiplier. ive seen screenshots (xtremesystems forums) of it getting above 3Ghz.

all of the conroe chips will have a 1066 bus (so 266FSB starting), except for the lowest model which is the 1.6Ghz and has a 800mhz bus (200FSB starting) like stevty stated.

Cache isn't everything, if anything you'd want to get a model with very little cache as it will really limit your clocks since they might not be able to handle the overclocks as well as a model with disabled caches.

Huh? really little caches are typically thus because a section has been disabled... Atleast when cache's are different on the same core, as the conroe's will be. Your statement makes no sense at all.

No, if anything YOUR statement/paragraph makes no sense. It allows it to overclock more because if the section of the cache is disabled, you're less likely to be limited by your overclock because of the cache failing to run at the speed you're overclocking to. Sections that are disabled on processors are ones that could not pass testing, so intel has done the job for you in eliminating what could prevent you from achieving high clocks.

I understand that, the way you worded it made absolutely no sense at 4am, and I still had to re-read it twice to translate it to english.