So what will be the next "Just wait until....." for hardcore PS3 fans?

[michaels]

Meh@pc gaming

I would like to see some sales figures for pc games, I would wager console gaming is more popular.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: mugs
OK, quit being so anal. I don't know anything about this game and have no interest in it, but if it's a game people are looking forward to and it comes out more than a month earlier on the PS3 (I have no idea what the release dates are), that's a plus for the PS3. Just like Bioshock is a big plus for the 360 even though it's on PC too. That, I believe, is what he was trying to convey. It's not as beneficial as a console exclusive like Gears of War, and a console exclusive is not as beneficial as an outright exclusive like all of Nintendo's games, but it's still a plus.

Quit being wrong and I'll quit being anal... simple as that. It's not an exclusive if it comes out the same day as the PC version... comprendé, señor?

Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you don't care what he was trying to say, you are just nitpicking because he left out a couple of qualifiers. You know what he meant.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: michaels
Meh@pc gaming

I would like to see some sales figures for pc games, I would wager console gaming is more popular.

I was unaware people disputed this?

Consoles are by far more popular. but if a game comes out on the PC, and it's actually the same game (like Bioshock, etc) then I WILL get it for the PC, for two major reasons. One being that games on my PC look far, FAR superior to what any current console could hop eto achieve, and two, mouse and keyboard is almost always better for gaming, and just flat out IS better for FPS's. Granted, you can buy mice and keyboards for consoles now.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Get on Warhawk. NOW.

 

[blurredvision]

Well, I wouldn't mind joining in on the arguement, but I wouldn't know where to start, so I'll stick with the question asked in the topic title 😛. Haze is looking pretty damn good, but I think the absolute next "Wait until..." title is MGS4 early next year. Unless Heavenly Sword completely surprises me and garners scores in the 90% range, although I expect them to be more like 75% or so.

 

[randay]

wow, what a fucking stupid peice of shit thread.

 

[galperi1]

might as well join the fray....

let's see

Heavenly Sword
Grand Tourismo Prologue and GT5
Ratchet and Clank
Final Fantasy XIII and Versus
God of War 3 (which I am assuming will eventually be announced)

There are plenty of titles to look forward to.

 

[tatteredpotato]

The PS3 will get some good stuff, but Microsoft really has a shot at taking this one (disregarding the Wii which will destroy all). Microsoft has a chance at staying at least $100 or so below the PS3 price for a long long time. By the time the PS3 can get to a mass market price the 360 will have a large enough installed base to win favor from many developers (just as the PS2 did back in the day). Even thought the original was superior technologically speaking, the PS2 still destroyed it. Many a mainstream gamer could care less about Blu Ray, they just want a game machine.

I do believe that sales of the Core console have a chance to grow quite a bit if they can get it down to $200 or so. Right now, if you're spending $300 on a console, you might as well go for the extra $100 and get all the accessories that will probably be useful to gamers buying in at this point in the consoles life cycle.

I may be wrong, but unless Sony can do something to bring the price of the PS3 down quite a bit (to compete with the 360), i don't think they stand a chance.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
you are being anal - you are putting PC gaming in the console gaming market, which it clearly isn't and are just being an ass about technicalities.

and anyone who knows anything about the console gaming market will understand wtf I mean by calling UT3 a PS3 exclusive this holiday season.

When they share a decent amount of games, they can be compared. They do share a decent amount of games, therefore they can be compared. Also, yet again, you cannot be a hypocrite and declare the PS3 different from the XBOX 360 in regards to exclusivity when taking the PC into account. Games like Bioshock and Two Worlds are not considered exclusive, because they are also on the PC and only on those two platforms. I do remember hearing quite often that these games were not exclusive because they were getting PC releases at the same time.

There's a big difference between being ignorant about semantics and being an ass about technicalities. If you wish to talk about (limited) console exclusivity, specify that.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh i guess nothing on SNES, Genesis, turbo graphics 16, GBA, etc are exclusives either, since you know, you can get em all for PC now a days.

Yes, because using emulators and ROMs counts :roll:. I guess we better change things too, cause you can play emulators on the XBOX, PSP, NDS, etc! Someone needs to get on the ball and go edit Wikipedia or something!

EDIT:

Originally posted by: mugs
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you don't care what he was trying to say, you are just nitpicking because he left out a couple of qualifiers. You know what he meant.

Wrong, he made a remark that was not what he meant to say and I responded to the exact meaning of what he said. Say what you mean if you want to avoid it. Accountability seems to be on a downturn.

 

[Inferno0032]

Warkhawk is a ton of fun, especially playing online with 4 buds, they've really brought back the local multiplayer as well as local multi on the net too, it rocks.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: Inferno0032
Warkhawk is a ton of fun, especially playing online with 4 buds, they've really brought back the local multiplayer as well as local multi on the net too, it rocks.

I keep hearing good things, will have to check it out.

 

[tatteredpotato]

When talking about console gaming, I do feel it's fair to ignore PC ports when throwing the term "exclusive" around. Although that may be a viable alternative for lots of people on here, most console gamers don't keep PC's that can run most modern games.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: purbeast0
you are being anal - you are putting PC gaming in the console gaming market, which it clearly isn't and are just being an ass about technicalities.

and anyone who knows anything about the console gaming market will understand wtf I mean by calling UT3 a PS3 exclusive this holiday season.

When they share a decent amount of games, they can be compared. They do share a decent amount of games, therefore they can be compared. Also, yet again, you cannot be a hypocrite and declare the PS3 different from the XBOX 360 in regards to exclusivity when taking the PC into account. Games like Bioshock and Two Worlds are not considered exclusive, because they are also on the PC and only on those two platforms. I do remember hearing quite often that these games were not exclusive because they were getting PC releases at the same time.

There's a big difference between being ignorant about semantics and being an ass about technicalities. If you wish to talk about (limited) console exclusivity, specify that.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh i guess nothing on SNES, Genesis, turbo graphics 16, GBA, etc are exclusives either, since you know, you can get em all for PC now a days.

Yes, because using emulators and ROMs counts :roll:. I guess we better change things too, cause you can play emulators on the XBOX, PSP, NDS, etc! Someone needs to get on the ball and go edit Wikipedia or something!

Considering I posted this in the Console Forum I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to understand what I was getting at. Seems you are the only one who is having trouble understanding that.

Anyways ... the 4 games that I have in my original post in this thread are still the 4 major players for the PS3 this holiday season, and I think out of them all, the one that they are going to advertise and try to use as a system seller is going to be one of the FPS games for sure.

Ratchet and Clank is too 'cute' to be a true system seller, and Uncharted is coming from pretty much no hype at all and is not a sequel to anything so I don't really see it moving systems.

The FPS w/their online play I can see selling some systems, and since UT3 is having some console exclusive stuff when compared to the Xbox360, as well as kb/m support, it's definitely going to be pushing it's version compared to the 360 version.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Sraaz

Originally posted by: michaels
Meh@pc gaming

I would like to see some sales figures for pc games, I would wager console gaming is more popular.

I was unaware people disputed this?

Consoles are by far more popular. but if a game comes out on the PC, and it's actually the same game (like Bioshock, etc) then I WILL get it for the PC, for two major reasons. One being that games on my PC look far, FAR superior to what any current console could hop eto achieve, and two, mouse and keyboard is almost always better for gaming, and just flat out IS better for FPS's. Granted, you can buy mice and keyboards for consoles now.

I don't agree that mouse and keyboard is ALWAYS better, but I do agree that it's better for FPS, RTS, and some other genres. But you can get controllers for PCs too, including the 360 controller, so that's a moot point really. PC has better input capabilities.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

When they share a decent amount of games, they can be compared.

It's not about the games, it's about who plays them. Many, many console gamers won't buy the PC version of a game, because many, many console gamers aren't PC gamers. So in the context of a console game discussion, a game being available on the PS3 and PC at the same time is a lot less significant than the same game being available on the 360 and the PS3 at the same time.

EDIT:

Wrong, he made a remark that was not what he meant to say and I responded to the exact meaning of what he said. Say what you mean if you want to avoid it. Accountability seems to be on a downturn.

You seem to be the only person who didn't understand what he meant. Would you like us all to talk slower for you?

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Considering I posted this in the Console Forum I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to understand what I was getting at. Seems you are the only one who is having trouble understanding that.

Is it now a crime to talk about the PC in here? You do realize that Unreal (Tournament) has mainly been a PC game for its lifetime (excluding the crappy XBOX port)... talking about it being on a PC is far from unusual in this regard.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
The FPS w/their online play I can see selling some systems, and since UT3 is having some console exclusive stuff when compared to the Xbox360, as well as kb/m support, it's definitely going to be pushing it's version compared to the 360 version.

I agree with this, I don't think the XBOX 360 version will sell as well (comparative to how many systems exist... since there are more 360's it may sell more but not as many with a game:consoles ratio). 360 players will have their Halo which gives them a bit less need for Unreal Tournament 3. Also, supposedly the 360 version will support all the mod features that the PS3 version will support.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Considering I posted this in the Console Forum I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to understand what I was getting at. Seems you are the only one who is having trouble understanding that.

Is it now a crime to talk about the PC in here? You do realize that Unreal (Tournament) has mainly been a PC game for its lifetime (excluding the crappy XBOX port)... talking about it being on a PC is far from unusual in this regard.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
The FPS w/their online play I can see selling some systems, and since UT3 is having some console exclusive stuff when compared to the Xbox360, as well as kb/m support, it's definitely going to be pushing it's version compared to the 360 version.

I agree with this, I don't think the XBOX 360 version will sell as well (comparative to how many systems exist... since there are more 360's it may sell more but not as many with a game:consoles ratio). 360 players will have their Halo which gives them a bit less need for Unreal Tournament 3. Also, supposedly the 360 version will support all the mod features that the PS3 version will support.

I never said it was a crime to talk about PC games in here. I said that when talking about exclusivity, in a console forum, it's pretty apparent that I'm talking about consoles here and not PC's.

If I were to post about the movie 300 on a HD-DVD forum, would you assume I was talking about the Blu-Ray version or the DVD version just because it also exists on those?

No.

Seems you are the only one in this thread who's having trouble understanding this whole concept.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I never said it was a crime to talk about PC games in here. I said that when talking about exclusivity, in a console forum, it's pretty apparent that I'm talking about consoles here and not PC's.

If I were to post about the movie 300 on a HD-DVD forum, would you assume I was talking about the Blu-Ray version or the DVD version just because it also exists on those?

No.

Seems you are the only one in this thread who's having trouble understanding this whole concept.

The only person here misconstruing anything is you and that's you misconstruing that I'm misconstruing anything. I understand what you're saying and I wholeheartedly disagree.

This is a tech site. Just because this is the console forum does not mean there is absolutely 0% discussion about anything PC related. That means that discussions are relative to consoles but can include PCs too where related, because guess what... they're all gaming platforms. In the case of Unreal Tournament 3, a game which was announced for PCs first, I think it's just a tad bit related.

Oh and that was a pretty poor analogy by the way. Exclusivity isn't the same as talking about a release for a specific format. Exclusivity, by the nature of the term deals with all formats in question unless modified by a word... like "console."

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I never said it was a crime to talk about PC games in here. I said that when talking about exclusivity, in a console forum, it's pretty apparent that I'm talking about consoles here and not PC's.

If I were to post about the movie 300 on a HD-DVD forum, would you assume I was talking about the Blu-Ray version or the DVD version just because it also exists on those?

No.

Seems you are the only one in this thread who's having trouble understanding this whole concept.

The only person here misconstruing anything is you and that's you misconstruing that I'm misconstruing anything. I understand what you're saying and I wholeheartedly disagree.

This is a tech site. Just because this is the console forum does not mean there is absolutely 0% discussion about anything PC related. That means that discussions are relative to consoles but can include PCs too where related, because guess what... they're all gaming platforms. In the case of Unreal Tournament 3, a game which was announced for PCs first, I think it's just a tad bit related.

Oh and that was a pretty poor analogy by the way. Exclusivity isn't the same as talking about a release for a specific format. Exclusivity, by the nature of the term deals with all formats in question unless modified by a word... like "console."

not to take away from your bolded statement, but ever since the PS3 has been essentially in official existence, UT3 has been officially in development for it. Epic and Sony were working relatively close together to make sure UT3 would be a star on the PS3. So, it was only really announced for PC first because the PS3 hadn't be a platform that one could actually develop for at the point.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

final nail in sonys coffin.

 

[yllus]

Microsoft is going to take this one. Position this round aside, let's talk about some PS3 positives:

- Blu-ray player built in is nice for us HDTV owners!
- Moddable to run Linux and thus become a very useful set-top box
- PS3 Home should be neat, sort of? Maybe?
- They're talking about releasing DVR functionality in a software upgrade later on

I'd need it to drop about $200 in price first, but this could eventually become a replacement for my modded Xbox. For video games themselves however, the 360 is IMO going to reign supreme.

 

[michaels]

Home does look very cool indeed.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Oh and that was a pretty poor analogy by the way. Exclusivity isn't the same as talking about a release for a specific format. Exclusivity, by the nature of the term deals with all formats in question unless modified by a word... like "console."

Not to add to the pile on, but why insist on correcting everyone in ATCF that does not include the "console" qualifier in front of exclusive for every game that's released on only one of the consoles and the PC?

You're fighting a sad, (even if) semantically correct, battle. Get over yourself.

 

[RandomFool]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Oh and that was a pretty poor analogy by the way. Exclusivity isn't the same as talking about a release for a specific format. Exclusivity, by the nature of the term deals with all formats in question unless modified by a word... like "console."

Not to add to the pile on, but why insist on correcting everyone in ATCF that does not include the "console" qualifier in front of exclusive for every game that's released on only one of the consoles and the PC?

You're fighting a sad, (even if) semantically correct, battle. Get over yourself.

I'm late to the party but I it's not really exclusive if it's on a console and PC. Pretending one or the other doesn't exist is kind of silly. Especially in the case of an FPS like UT3. Not only is the PC king of FPS games but it's an established PC game being brought to the console world.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RandomFool

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Oh and that was a pretty poor analogy by the way. Exclusivity isn't the same as talking about a release for a specific format. Exclusivity, by the nature of the term deals with all formats in question unless modified by a word... like "console."

Not to add to the pile on, but why insist on correcting everyone in ATCF that does not include the "console" qualifier in front of exclusive for every game that's released on only one of the consoles and the PC?

You're fighting a sad, (even if) semantically correct, battle. Get over yourself.

I'm late to the party but I it's not really exclusive if it's on a console and PC. Pretending one or the other doesn't exist is kind of silly.

Yeah, he left off the part about it being a timed console exclusive. That has been acknowledged. It is significant if a game is a console exclusive (that is, only available on one console either permanently or for a period of time), because there are many console gamers who wouldn't consider buying the game on PC. You're about to make that point for me...

Especially in the case of an FPS like UT3. Not only is the PC king of FPS games but it's an established PC game being brought to the console world.

Exactly. If someone is considering buying UT3 on the PS3, they definitely aren't debating between the PS3 and the PC. It's most likely because they aren't a PC gamer. If they were a PC and console gamer there wouldn't be any debate - it'd be PC all the way unless they're one of those crackpots who prefer dual analog sticks over keyboard and mouse. PC gamers and console gamers are largely different groups that have some overlap. This is why we have two separate forums for them. 😉

So yeah, it isn't really accurate to say a game is exclusive when it's on PC and PS3, but being as that this is the console gaming forum and we're all console gamers here, I don't think there's any harm in using "exclusive" in the context of consoles.