So what if Obama is a Muslim?

[raildogg]

This is only a hypothetical question because I don't know or care about what Obama supposedly believes in. I see that it apparently matters to some if not a lot of people.

To take one example, on many so-called news stories on Yahoo.com, if you ever check out the comments section you will find that it is filled with hate and nonsense. A lot of it is directed at Obama or Muslims or a combination of the two. Many comments are posted about Obama being a Muslim.

I have to wonder, so what if he is a Muslim?

Let's assume he is (I don't know if its true or not). So what? Why does it matter to you? Are you that insecure in your own little organized religion that him being a Muslim poses a threat to you? Or do you think he is a Muslim because he is a non-white guy? I mean, that is a rare thing among US presidents to say the least. So there will be a lot of whining and indirect hate associated with it.

From what I understand based on my very limited reading, Obama was raised in a supposedly Muslim home - whatever that means. But then again, his father became an atheist - again, whatever that means. So basically, no real religion found. Only organized beliefs that might not even matter at all.

So once again, if Obama is a Muslim, which I don't know and don't care about, why is it such a big deal? In this phony world, everyone can claim to be whatever organized religion affiliation they want to be associated with and we all accept it. I mean, a lot of these actors and actresses change their organized religious affiliations all the time. It means nothing.

 

[bradly1101]

It matters only in that many Christians would never vote for a non-Christian. Imagine a Christian president in Libya, Iran or Afghanistan. Religion is built up in many minds as the ultimate decider.

 

[Moonbeam]

I ask the same question as to whether he's a Kenyan or a socialist.

 

[Jaskalas]

I have to wonder, so what if he is a Muslim?

The people who believe he's a Muslim also believe he has worked, from day 1, to destabilize Muslim countries. To empower terrorists over governments. From his Cairo speech, to using Clinton's connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in the fall of Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc.

They believe the chaos and death from North Africa to Pakistan is by his design.

 

[piasabird]

A person is the sum total of his parts. By this I mean that a person does not have to be a practitioner of Islam to be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslim people. Same would go for someone who was from Utah or grew up in and Irish or Italian community. It is only natural to have some bias toward your roots or your upbringing or even the college or university where you went to school.

However, a man should be judged by his actual actions toward his fellow men. When I look at the kind of decisions and policies he has toward Muslims and when dealing with Israel and to me he seems to make decisions more favorable toward Muslims and Islamic Terrorist groups. So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities.

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist. One could say the apple does not fall far from the tree. He appears to have what is called anti-colonialist thinking. This is probably the effects of a liberal education.

 

[alcoholbob]

Even if he was, a theory based entirely on his childhood upbringing in Indonesia, there's no evidence he was ever drawn to Wahhabism and he's happily fighting it. Sure you can say he's in a rush to go to Saudi Arabia to bow to the new monarch, but Bush did the same thing, and none of our leaders would be groveling to Saudi Araubia if Nixon didn't take us off the gold standard and had Kissinger trade the blood of our military for OPEC backing of the dollar in the 1972 Aramco deal.

 

[5150Joker]

A person is the sum total of his parts. By this I mean that a person does not have to be a practitioner of Islam to be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslim people. Same would go for someone who was from Utah or grew up in and Irish or Italian community. It is only natural to have some bias toward your roots or your upbringing or even the college or university where you went to school.

However, a man should be judged by his actual actions toward his fellow men. When I look at the kind of decisions and policies he has toward Muslims and when dealing with Israel and to me he seems to make decisions more favorable toward Muslims and Islamic Terrorist groups. So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities.

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist. One could say the apple does not fall far from the tree. He appears to have what is called anti-colonialist thinking. This is probably the effects of a liberal education.

Israel is a US territory? Why should he give a fuck about Israel? Certainly Israeli politicians like Netanyahooo don't pay him equal respect. In your narrow view, he's anti-American if he's not kissing Israeli ass? WTF!

 

[Vic]

The people who believe he's a Muslim also believe he has worked, from day 1, to destabilize Muslim countries. To empower terrorists over governments. From his Cairo speech, to using Clinton's connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in the fall of Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc.

They believe the chaos and death from North Africa to Pakistan is by his design.

Yeah, the Middle East was a peaceful place before Obama.

 

[Vic]

A person is the sum total of his parts. By this I mean that a person does not have to be a practitioner of Islam to be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslim people. Same would go for someone who was from Utah or grew up in and Irish or Italian community. It is only natural to have some bias toward your roots or your upbringing or even the college or university where you went to school.

However, a man should be judged by his actual actions toward his fellow men. When I look at the kind of decisions and policies he has toward Muslims and when dealing with Israel and to me he seems to make decisions more favorable toward Muslims and Islamic Terrorist groups. So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities.

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist. One could say the apple does not fall far from the tree. He appears to have what is called anti-colonialist thinking. This is probably the effects of a liberal education.

If a=b and b=c then a=z, got it!

 

[John Connor]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1142

 

[Vic]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1142

Ah yes, the peaceful and benevolent thrust of Christianity in 1830. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

 

[Black Octagon]

I care far more about what a President says and does during his time in office than I do about his personal beliefs about the divine.

If those beliefs affect what he says and does as President then it of course is a little less simple...but I do not think that being a Muslim would change anything for me

 

[John Connor]

Ah yes, the peaceful and benevolent thrust of Christianity in 1830. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

If it makes you feel better I think of Squanto on Thanksgiving.

 

[raildogg]

It matters only in that many Christians would never vote for a non-Christian. Imagine a Christian president in Libya, Iran or Afghanistan. Religion is built up in many minds as the ultimate decider.

Yes, but then would they be true Christians if they truly felt that way?

 

[raildogg]

A person is the sum total of his parts. By this I mean that a person does not have to be a practitioner of Islam to be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslim people. Same would go for someone who was from Utah or grew up in and Irish or Italian community. It is only natural to have some bias toward your roots or your upbringing or even the college or university where you went to school.

However, a man should be judged by his actual actions toward his fellow men. When I look at the kind of decisions and policies he has toward Muslims and when dealing with Israel and to me he seems to make decisions more favorable toward Muslims and Islamic Terrorist groups. So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities.

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist. One could say the apple does not fall far from the tree. He appears to have what is called anti-colonialist thinking. This is probably the effects of a liberal education.

We are a product of our conditioning, that cannot be denied.

But I have to question when you say, "So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities." This is really strange. I thought he swore on some book to protect this country?

When you say he acts like a Muslim, what do you mean? How does a Muslim act like? When a Muslim is born, is he immediately fed anti-American propaganda and thus he turns to dislike America? Does being a Muslim make one anti-American by definition?

And what in the world is a Muslim Communist? I mean, I hear the term "Muslim" so much now it's like we know what we're actually talking about. Do you know real Islam? Or do you know the Islam that is shown by the shouting herds that are protesting and burning flags? But I think we should not go off topic here. Let's stick to Obama being a Muslim for now.

You make reasonable points though. A person's conditioning is a huge part of who he is since this conditioning shapes everything he does. His college education, his friends, etc. can brainwash him if he is not careful (as most people are not).

It is interesting you bring Israel into this discussion. I've heard from the news that Obama and Netenyahu don't get along too well. But that does not necessarily mean he is biased. We don't know that. We are not in his head.

Thanks for your post.

 

[rudeguy]

This is only a hypothetical question because I don't know or care about what Obama supposedly believes in. I see that it apparently matters to some if not a lot of people.

To take one example, on many so-called news stories on Yahoo.com, if you ever check out the comments section you will find that it is filled with hate and nonsense. A lot of it is directed at Obama or Muslims or a combination of the two. Many comments are posted about Obama being a Muslim.

I have to wonder, so what if he is a Muslim?

Let's assume he is (I don't know if its true or not). So what? Why does it matter to you? Are you that insecure in your own little organized religion that him being a Muslim poses a threat to you? Or do you think he is a Muslim because he is a non-white guy? I mean, that is a rare thing among US presidents to say the least. So there will be a lot of whining and indirect hate associated with it.

From what I understand based on my very limited reading, Obama was raised in a supposedly Muslim home - whatever that means. But then again, his father became an atheist - again, whatever that means. So basically, no real religion found. Only organized beliefs that might not even matter at all.

So once again, if Obama is a Muslim, which I don't know and don't care about, why is it such a big deal? In this phony world, everyone can claim to be whatever organized religion affiliation they want to be associated with and we all accept it. I mean, a lot of these actors and actresses change their organized religious affiliations all the time. It means nothing.

It only matters because he made a big deal about how he is Christian.

 

[raildogg]

Even if he was, a theory based entirely on his childhood upbringing in Indonesia, there's no evidence he was ever drawn to Wahhabism and he's happily fighting it. Sure you can say he's in a rush to go to Saudi Arabia to bow to the new monarch, but Bush did the same thing, and none of our leaders would be groveling to Saudi Araubia if Nixon didn't take us off the gold standard and had Kissinger trade the blood of our military for OPEC backing of the dollar in the 1972 Aramco deal.

Bowing to somebody shows respect in other people's society. This is done in many Eastern societies. I wonder why so many people get angry over this tradition. It is done so in respect (at least one hopes).

I've read his father converted to Atheism (another religion) so apparently his father's Muslim conditioning wasn't strong enough.

I think a lot of people are frustrated and still cannot accept Obama so they call him whatever name comes to them. Or whatever name they hear others calling him.

 

[raildogg]

It only matters because he made a big deal about how he is Christian.

Which is equally as pathetic and meaningless.

Thank you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

If a=b and b=c then a=z, got it!

I think he is saying Americans should never vote a Mormon into office

 

[MongGrel]

Even if he was, a theory based entirely on his childhood upbringing in Indonesia, there's no evidence he was ever drawn to Wahhabism and he's happily fighting it. Sure you can say he's in a rush to go to Saudi Arabia to bow to the new monarch, but Bush did the same thing, and none of our leaders would be groveling to Saudi Araubia if Nixon didn't take us off the gold standard and had Kissinger trade the blood of our military for OPEC backing of the dollar in the 1972 Aramco deal.

+1

It's pretty much BS, hell a lot of people said similar things about JFK and how the Catholic church would influence him when he was elected.

I keep hoping that the country would grow up over the decades, but in many ways I still see a lot of regression.

 

[IronWing]

I ask the same question as to whether he's a Kenyan or a socialist.

If he were a socialist, that would be a good thing. Sadly, he's not even a liberal.

 

[IronWing]

Bowing to somebody shows respect in other people's society. This is done in many Eastern societies. I wonder why so many people get angry over this tradition. It is done so in respect (at least one hopes).

If the King weren't a king then a bow of respect would be no big deal. But he is a king. Americans have a tradition of never bowing to hereditary monarchs. Obama's bow was an affront to democratic values. Bowing to an elected Prime Minister in a culture where that is the norm is acceptable. Bowing to a king is never acceptable.

 

[raildogg]

If the King weren't a king then a bow of respect would be no big deal. But he is a king. Americans have a tradition of never bowing to hereditary monarchs. Obama's bow was an affront to democratic values. Bowing to an elected Prime Minister in a culture where that is the norm is acceptable. Bowing to a king is never acceptable.

Ok, but the King is still part of that society, is he not? And Obama is still in that country where these traditions are followed. He is in front of cameras. I think this is a show of etiquette, whether sincere or not. For instance, he has bowed I believe in Japan. Some people were angry over that I'm sure.

And a King is another politician who is seeking to better himself - just like every other politician. No difference. One was elected (right) and another was not. It's not a big deal. It's just a part of our phony world in which we live.

LOL @ Democratic values. Do we really believe this?

 

[feralkid]

A person is the sum total of his parts. By this I mean that a person does not have to be a practitioner of Islam to be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslim people. Same would go for someone who was from Utah or grew up in and Irish or Italian community. It is only natural to have some bias toward your roots or your upbringing or even the college or university where you went to school.

However, a man should be judged by his actual actions toward his fellow men. When I look at the kind of decisions and policies he has toward Muslims and when dealing with Israel and to me he seems to make decisions more favorable toward Muslims and Islamic Terrorist groups. So the President acts politically like a Muslim based on his anti-American activities.

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist. One could say the apple does not fall far from the tree. He appears to have what is called anti-colonialist thinking. This is probably the effects of a liberal education.

Put down the kool-aid .net

 

[nickqt]

Put down the kool-aid .net

You know what else is funny?

The founding fathers of this country had "anti-colonialist" thinking too.

Those damn dirty commies.