So what happened with House Dems gonna subpoena Mueller?

[dank69]

Agreed, do you have proof Barr lied to Congress?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/fact-check-william-barr-lie-to-congress/index.html

On April 10, in a back and forth between Barr and Sen. Chris Van Hollen over Barr's March 24 letter, the Maryland Democrat asked Barr, "Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?"

"I don't know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion," Barr replied.

Even when narrowly taken, Barr's answer stretches credulity. In his letter, Mueller specifically says that Barr's summary laying out the bottom-line conclusions of the report "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions." From this, it appears Mueller was not satisfied with Barr's conclusions.

More broadly, Mueller also expressed concern that Barr's summary created "public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation" which "threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel."

On Tuesday night, after news broke of the Mueller letter, Van Hollen lashed out. "We now know Mueller stated his concerns on March 27th," Van Hollen tweeted, "and that Barr totally misled me, the Congress, and the public. He must resign."

 

[ch33zw1z]

Agreed, do you have proof Barr lied to Congress?

Please, there's numerous articles that articulate the answer to this question. Based on your responses to this thread, and Barr's summary letter, it likely won't matter to you. You can ask yourself why you feel it necessary to defend this admin, like why you "agree" with me yet continue to pretend like Trump doesn't surround himself with yes-men.

 

[woolfe9998]

CNN's headline today is an update on the status of negotiations between Mueller's team and the House Judiciary Committee:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/politics/robert-mueller-testify-congress-negotiations/index.html

Apparently Mueller's team is reluctant to have him testify because they don't want him to be in the political spotlight. Too bad, says Nadler.

Eventually we will hear from Mueller because ... we will subpoena him if we have to," Nadler told CNN earlier this month. "I certainly hope it doesn't come to the, to our necessity to subpoena him," he added.

In any event, negotiations continue and I suspect Mueller will ultimately appear without a subpoena.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

CNN's headline today is an update on the status of negotiations between Mueller's team and the House Judiciary Committee:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/politics/robert-mueller-testify-congress-negotiations/index.html

Apparently Mueller's team is reluctant to have him testify because they don't want him to be in the political spotlight. Too bad, says Nadler.



In any event, negotiations continue and I suspect Mueller will ultimately appear without a subpoena.

I expect you are right. Mueller isn't a political creature and avoids the spotlight however with incoming information that ties into what Mueller was investigating he'll have to at some point. Even if Barr steps in as I expect, impeachment seems to have a stronger basis daily and he will testify and fully comply under those conditions.

 

[Starbuck1975]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/fact-check-william-barr-lie-to-congress/index.html

That is not evidence of lying. Within the context of the exchange, I would interpet his response as dismissive towards the question as posed.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Please, there's numerous articles that articulate the answer to this question. Based on your responses to this thread, and Barr's summary letter, it likely won't matter to you. You can ask yourself why you feel it necessary to defend this admin, like why you "agree" with me yet continue to pretend like Trump doesn't surround himself with yes-men.

I don’t feel it necessary to defend this admin. I do feel it’s appropriate to sometimes disagree with assessments of what the admin is doing.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is not evidence of lying. Within the context of the exchange, I would interpet his response as dismissive towards the question as posed.

Barr is too good a lawyer to outright lie to Congress. His evasive & misleading lawyerese is absolutely some of the best, however.

 

[hal2kilo]

Barr is too good a lawyer to outright lie to Congress. His evasive & misleading lawyerese is absolutely some of the best, however.

It's an art.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don’t feel it necessary to defend this admin. I do feel it’s appropriate to sometimes disagree with assessments of what the admin is doing.

Lol....

 

[Starbuck1975]

Barr is too good a lawyer to outright lie to Congress. His evasive & misleading lawyerese is absolutely some of the best, however.

Lawyerese is the best defense against accountability.

 

[dank69]

Confirmed Mueller is balking at doing a public hearing because he doesn't want to get dragged into a political fight. Fuck that wise and beautiful woman. Cares more about himself than the health of the government.

Edit: ROFL I guess that is code word for cvnt...

 

[blankslate]

I'd like Mueller to testify.

Failing that maybe hearings on Trump's Emoluments Clause Violations (officials from from various other countries paying higher than usual fees to his hotels), following up on Cohen's answers a month or two ago that revealed Trump probably committed Campaign Finance Fraud both before and after his inauguration... Then there's the fact that Trump ordered the U.S. Air Force to provide help via In-Air-Refueling of Saudi Arabian planes bombing Yemen... therefore aiding and abetting war Crimes.

Sure the focus on Obstruction of Justice is nice... but it seems that a couple of months were spent waiting while the Dems were control in the House and years were spent not talking about the 3 examples of what should be considered High Crimes and Misdemeanors Trump (most likely in my opinion committed) allegedly perpetrated.


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[kage69]

Confirmed Mueller is balking at doing a public hearing because he doesn't want to get dragged into a political fight. Fuck that wise and beautiful woman. Cares more about himself than the health of the government.

Edit: ROFL I guess that is code word for cvnt...

Strange for someone billed as 'apolitical,' I agree. It's beyond evident that Barr misrepresented the report, this shouldn't take a subpoena. Barr already was a corrupt partisan toad, not losing much there by his subservience to Il Douche. But Mueller? I'm perplexed why he isn't volunteering to set the record straight, even in the face of a recalcitrant near treasonous republican Senate. That's one hell of a reputation to risk. Since when does an apolitical institution type give a flip what they're raving about on Fox?

Maybe he's hoping Annie Donaldson's notes will do the job and he can stay out of it.

 

[dank69]

Strange for someone billed as 'apolitical,' I agree. It's beyond evident that Barr misrepresented the report, this shouldn't take a subpoena. Barr already was a corrupt partisan toad, not losing much there by his subservience to Il Douche. But Mueller? I'm perplexed why he isn't volunteering to set the record straight, even in the face of a recalcitrant near treasonous republican Senate. That's one hell of a reputation to risk. Since when does an apolitical institution type give a flip what they're raving about on Fox?

Maybe he's hoping Annie Donaldson's notes will do the job and he can stay out of it.

To be fair he is willing to testify privately but that does us no good since the Republicans present for the testimony will just claim anything the Democrats say about it is a lie. America needs everything to come out publicly to even have a chance of stopping the madness.

 

[Jhhnn]

To be fair he is willing to testify privately but that does us no good since the Republicans present for the testimony will just claim anything the Democrats say about it is a lie. America needs everything to come out publicly to even have a chance of stopping the madness.

Not really. Being the majority on the committee, Dems can release the transcript in its entirety & go from there.

 

[dank69]

Not really. Being the majority on the committee, Dems can release the transcript in its entirety & go from there.

Oh yeah, that'll be accepted at face value by Americans.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Confirmed Mueller is balking at doing a public hearing because he doesn't want to get dragged into a political fight. Fuck that wise and beautiful woman. Cares more about himself than the health of the government.

Edit: ROFL I guess that is code word for cvnt...

Or he understands the futility of entering into a situation where people will only accept what they want to hear.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Strange for someone billed as 'apolitical,' I agree. It's beyond evident that Barr misrepresented the report, this shouldn't take a subpoena. Barr already was a corrupt partisan toad, not losing much there by his subservience to Il Douche. But Mueller? I'm perplexed why he isn't volunteering to set the record straight, even in the face of a recalcitrant near treasonous republican Senate. That's one hell of a reputation to risk. Since when does an apolitical institution type give a flip what they're raving about on Fox?

Maybe he's hoping Annie Donaldson's notes will do the job and he can stay out of it.

To be fair America has already asked a lot of Mueller and I'm not sure he, nor anyone else, understood the sort of personal attacks that this President would aim at him during the process, and how his followers would react to them. This is the result of Trump's willingness to openly attack people that disagree with him in the harshest terms and personally, it is open witness intimidation and it is the intended results.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh yeah, that'll be accepted at face value by Americans.

It's not like the GOP could successfully say it's not the transcript or that Dems are trying to hide anything. Dems could also release complete audio recordings, for that matter.

If that raises more questions than it answers Dems can call Mueller back to testify in public whether he wants to or not.

 

[akenbennu]

It's not like the GOP could successfully say it's not the transcript or that Dems are trying to hide anything. Dems could also release complete audio recordings, for that matter.

If that raises more questions than it answers Dems can call Mueller back to testify in public whether he wants to or not.

Given the roadblocks being thrown up by the executive branch, I expect it'll just be stalled until the next election, at which point it'll be irrelevant.

 

[hal2kilo]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/fact-check-william-barr-lie-to-congress/index.html

Probably the same amount of proof old bucky boy has for Clinton's obvious crimes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Probably the same amount of proof old bucky boy has for Clinton's obvious crimes.

Poor Hillary

 

[BonzaiDuck]

As Lincoln quoted from Euclid, "Two things that are each equal to a third thing are equal to each other."

There is quite a handful of axioms like that forming the basis of symbolic logic and predicate calculus.

But we are apparently not living in an Age of Reason. This is the Age of Pre-existing Derangement Condition.

Chris Matthews was conducting a focus group in Pennsylvania the other day. One man identified himself as a CEO of a local company there. He defended Trump, saying "Well -- he's a businessman . . . " From this, I derive that the CEO is not much of a businessman. And if they dropped Trump into the corporate headquarters of GM, Merck, Boeing, Intel, or any number of more modest-sized businesses, he wouldn't know how to operate in any position they could give him. Further, anyone omniscient enough to know the virus introduced into those businesses would probably tell stock-holders "Run! Get out!"

Then, the CEO said "I don't take this Russian thing -- affecting our election seriously. I mean -- a bunch of ads and stuff, on Facebook?"

Some people should supplement their "bidniss-day" with some reading:

Science of Coercion

After the $1 billion/annum effort ended and the Senate Intelligence ["Church"] Committee and various sub-committees put an end to these covert operations of the "Directorate of Plans" -- meddling with Hollywood and other aspects, the techniques of the "Domination Paradigm" leaked out into the world of Madison Avenue -- the ad industry.

As far as I can tell, Mueller has done his job. And if we were really concerned about being a society of Laws, indifferent to party, we would be moving forward with Mueller's testimony, the additional fact-gathering, and all in parallel with an "impeachment inquiry".

For the Die-Hard Trumpers: YOUR president of MY country is a disgusting piece of criminal filth. Maybe -- just like you.