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So what happened with House Dems gonna subpoena Mueller?

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dank69 said:
Maybe you noticed that the WH is blocking McCabe from testifying so hopefully you can extrapolate from there that they will block Mueller from testifying as well.
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Barr has already stated publicly that he would not prevent Mueller from testifying before Congress.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Barr has already stated publicly that he would not prevent Mueller from testifying before Congress.
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You may be inclined to believe a trump protector, but I'm not buying it. That what happens when known liars say things, there's no trust.

For me, that is irrelevant anyways, the House needs to move forward with the impeachment inquiry, meuller or not.
 
ch33zw1z said:
You may be inclined to believe a trump protector, but I'm not buying it. That what happens when known liars say things, there's no trust.

For me, that is irrelevant anyways, the House needs to move forward with the impeachment inquiry, meuller or not.
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Given Barr’s history with Mueller, I interpret Barr’s actions as someone acting in the interests of the executive branch, while also recognizing that the person he is by extension protecting is undeserving of it.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Given Barr’s history with Mueller, I interpret Barr’s actions as someone acting in the interests of the executive branch, while also recognizing that the person he is by extension protecting is undeserving of it.
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Lol....whatever. he's still proven to be a mouth piece for the president, as the AG should be, right?
 
There's more information coming out such as the Flynn tape and sections of the report becoming unredacted. Then there's the financials from the accounting firm and Deutche bank. At a mutually agreeable date I expect Mueller will show and the House will have more material on which to question him. Hopefully this all comes about very quickly and Pelosi will opt for impeachment.
 
omega3 said:
So for weeks House Dems said they were first gonna ask, and if necessary subpoena, Mueller to testify? Now you hear nothing about it anymore. What gives?

It's things like this that make me equally angry at Democrats for never doing anything to hold Trump accountable. Always the outrage machine, supported by the liberal media, but never any consequences. It's just numbing.
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Adam Schiff is gathering the boxes full of evidence he has.
 
brandonbull said:
Adam Schiff is gathering the boxes full of evidence he has.
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As I've already said before the Mueller interview will be held (note will) at a mutually agreeable time. As far as box of evidence there's much more to be had in the near future, Trump's taxes and perhaps more significant, Mazar's Big Boxfulls of Trump's dealing plus Deutsche Bank.

I hope Schiff has all the boxes he needs for the truckload of documented evidence on which to question Mueller. The Little Bighorn strategy the OP hopes to see, just charging in recklessly, isn't going to sell. That's Trump's SOP.
 
omega3 said:
So for weeks House Dems said they were first gonna ask, and if necessary subpoena, Mueller to testify? Now you hear nothing about it anymore. What gives?
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Mueller and the HoR Judicial Committee are currently in negotiations on when he will appear. I would expect we will see him on the schedule to appear in the next few weeks.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dem...ueller-doj-special-counsels/story?id=63112801
Ongoing discussions between Democrats, the special counsel’s office and the Justice Department are centered on the timing, nature and scope of Mueller’s testimony, according to people familiar with the discussions.
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Starbuck1975 said:
Barr has already stated publicly that he would not prevent Mueller from testifying before Congress.
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Barr has stated many things publicly, including several lies that he told before Congress during confirmation hearings, only to walk them back completely.

....Are you going to stick with the "Barr said this thing, therefore it will happen" line?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
A mouthpiece to the President would object to Mueller testifying before Congress.
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It does appear that the DOJ is objecting to Mueller testifying before Congress, just doing it in a round about way. Mueller can testify, he just can't talk about anything we object to!

In the end they are not trying to block Mueller from testifying because they can't. The Special Council might work with the DOJ, but he works for Congress. So, the backup plan of Trump and Co. is to argue about what the contents of his testimony can be about.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Given Barr’s history with Mueller, I interpret Barr’s actions as someone acting in the interests of the executive branch, while also recognizing that the person he is by extension protecting is undeserving of it.
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ch33zw1z said:
Lol....whatever. he's still proven to be a mouth piece for the president, as the AG should be, right?
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Starbuck1975 said:
A mouthpiece to the President would object to Mueller testifying before Congress.
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The person of the President is not the same as the Executive Branch. Barr betrays his oath to support & defend the Constitution & disgraces the office he holds. He usurps the power of Congress in "exonerating" the President of the charges of obstruction of justice. He directly contradicts the Special Counsel's judgement. Given that any sitting President cannot be prosecuted it's not his call to make. He withholds from Congress the evidence they need to make their own judgement. His actions constitute obstruction of justice in their own way.
 
Jhhnn said:
The person of the President is not the same as the Executive Branch. Barr betrays his oath to support & defend the Constitution & disgraces the office he holds. He usurps the power of Congress in "exonerating" the President of the charges of obstruction of justice. He directly contradicts the Special Counsel's judgement. Given that any sitting President cannot be prosecuted it's not his call to make. He withholds from Congress the evidence they need to make their own judgement. His actions constitute obstruction of justice in their own way.
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Barr exonerated Trump for collusion, and there is little evidence to suggest otherwise. Mueller should testify so that Congress can make a determination on obstruction of justice.
 
SMOGZINN said:
It does appear that the DOJ is objecting to Mueller testifying before Congress, just doing it in a round about way. Mueller can testify, he just can't talk about anything we object to!

In the end they are not trying to block Mueller from testifying because they can't. The Special Council might work with the DOJ, but he works for Congress. So, the backup plan of Trump and Co. is to argue about what the contents of his testimony can be about.
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Trump has a right to object. The legislative branch has a right to make requests. Trump benefits from making this an extended fight, I believe he relishes it.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Trump has a right to object. The legislative branch has a right to make requests. Trump benefits from making this an extended fight, I believe he relishes it.
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I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying it is more than a bit disingenuous to say that Barr is not objecting to Mueller testifying before Congress when he is trying to claim executive privilege about what Mueller would testify about.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Barr exonerated Trump for collusion, and there is little evidence to suggest otherwise. Mueller should testify so that Congress can make a determination on obstruction of justice.
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More than that, Barr should make all the evidence & testimony gathered during the investigation available to Congress. He stalls, deflects & obfuscates as if he were the President's personal lawyer, which he's not.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Trump has a right to object. The legislative branch has a right to make requests. Trump benefits from making this an extended fight, I believe he relishes it.
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Why would he object if the report totally exonerates him, as is his claim? Can't have it both ways.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Trump has a right to object. The legislative branch has a right to make requests. Trump benefits from making this an extended fight, I believe he relishes it.
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He doesn't relish it so much as he's trying to run out the clock. A new Congress in 2020 would have to start over. He's going to stall and hope for re-election and taking back the House as his only chance.

When Watergate started only around 30% of the people thought Nixon should be impeached, sound familiar? But when the evidence kept coming out and those involved testified and the People saw the corruption with their own eyes on TV that changed their opinion and the Republicans were left with no choice but to tell Nixon the clock had run out for him.
 
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