slackerinabox
Lifer
And is rock and roll about loving your elders and making pies for women?
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So what exactly is so wrong with Hip Hop culture?
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And is rock and roll about loving your elders and making pies for women?
slackerinabox
Lifer
EXACTLY! And blaming Marilyn Manson for Columbine, not crazy kids and bad parenting. I LOVED when Eminem had Manson in a video, to show solidarity as artists on the defensive - very slick move.
slackerinabox
Lifer
Thank you, we'll agree to agree then 🙂
Affirmative action is racism and only brings the black community down.
It assumes that black people aren't intelligent to get a job based solely on their skills.
And if they are qualified, it assumes the white person is too racist to give it to them.
It's racist against everyone.
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
I could also throw out the argument of country music teaches people to be lazy, alcoholics that try to get girls drunk with tequila
AnonymouseUser
Diamond Member
Er, uh, didn't Kanye drop out of college? Don't you think this will only encourage others not to pursue a college education (much less high school)?
Since you know more about Kanye than me, could you explain the following to me?
The only thing I get out of that song is that Jamie Foxx is way more talented than Kanye.
slackerinabox
Lifer
I'll also throw this out there: the problems you view of "Black culture" issues are in fact poverty issues. Poor white people commit the same crimes and act in similar fashion. The issue is rarely race, it's money.
slackerinabox
Lifer
Didn't Bill Gates drop out of college?
Also, didn't Steve Jobs give a speach about how dropping out of college was one of his smartest decisions?
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
College isnt everything. I know many people who havent gone to college and have made millions. College is a lot to many people but its a debated arguement.
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
Bulls***. Poor white people go buy trailers, live in Ternader Alley, hang Confederate flags and f*** their siblings.
- M4H
anxi80
Lifer
nothing bothers me more than the crap that radio and channels like mtv/bet plays. the stuff they play sends out the wrong message and also gives the whole genre a black eye. thats why when people knock the genre, i really have no answer because i truly believe that real hip hop is not on the radio. but i dont expect people who werent fans in the first place to seek out the true talented artists who actually have something to say because the genre has such a bad stigma placed on it that i dont blame a person for having certain thoughts/views towards hip hop music.
recently i heard that one of my favorite underground, conscious groups that i listen to are not having their video played on bet because reportedly bet told them the song/video is "too intelligent for the BET audience." (the video pokes fun at the gangsta and ice image) i just have to shake my head at that because that tells me that bet doesnt care about promoting artists, they only care about protecting their bread and butter. even if its means sending the wrong message to impressionable youth. so thats why i cant defend the genre no more. if everyday people cant be exposed to the better side of hip hop because the mainstream media only cares about what sells, then why bother fighting a battle i cant possibly win.
recently i heard that one of my favorite underground, conscious groups that i listen to are not having their video played on bet because reportedly bet told them the song/video is "too intelligent for the BET audience." (the video pokes fun at the gangsta and ice image) i just have to shake my head at that because that tells me that bet doesnt care about promoting artists, they only care about protecting their bread and butter. even if its means sending the wrong message to impressionable youth. so thats why i cant defend the genre no more. if everyday people cant be exposed to the better side of hip hop because the mainstream media only cares about what sells, then why bother fighting a battle i cant possibly win.
Xonoahbin
Senior member
I don't see why so many are being stereotypical on here. Stuff like "Hip-hop artists are stupid," and "People who listen to hip-hop are stupid." Ridiculous. I'm a rapper and I sing RnB and I'll be the first to tell you, I'm very intelligent. Now, I can't defend hip hop's influence however. It's terrible. Talkin about slappin hos and being a pimp, it's pretty sad. It's going to teach my generation to disrespect women. I mean I'm only 15, but I've listened to rap and hip hop for about four years, and most all of it is pretty terrible until you get to the deeper stuff- stuff like Tupac's better songs. Even Eminem and 50 Cent do have these decent, deep songs.
But, needless to say, the songs that get played the most generally aren't very decent nor deep. Kanye West's new Gold Digger lyrics might be kind of along the lines of slapping hos, but take a look at Jesus Walks, Through The Wire, And I Heard. They all actually have some deep meaning. They're all pretty good songs that don't send terrible messages to the youth.
Many were attacking Kanye West, he's not the one to attack. Perhaps one of my favorite artists needs to be attacked- Nelly. His songs are just that- songs. They have no deeper meaning and all they do is tell the youth to be annoying. Also, you've talked about "gangster rappers," well, they can also send a good message depending on who it goes out to. Scarface's song "My Block" is more gangster rap, but it's sending a message to the youth in the ghetto- that they can still be successful.
On a whole, hip hop has kind of sunken from being deep in any fashion, but then again, look at Run DMC- they didn't always have the best lyrics 🙂 But, some hip hop is making a positive change.. I think someone mentioned Common. He's a positive rapper. Some rappers out there today are making decent songs and decent lyrics, but those who aren't are very detrimental.
But, needless to say, the songs that get played the most generally aren't very decent nor deep. Kanye West's new Gold Digger lyrics might be kind of along the lines of slapping hos, but take a look at Jesus Walks, Through The Wire, And I Heard. They all actually have some deep meaning. They're all pretty good songs that don't send terrible messages to the youth.
Many were attacking Kanye West, he's not the one to attack. Perhaps one of my favorite artists needs to be attacked- Nelly. His songs are just that- songs. They have no deeper meaning and all they do is tell the youth to be annoying. Also, you've talked about "gangster rappers," well, they can also send a good message depending on who it goes out to. Scarface's song "My Block" is more gangster rap, but it's sending a message to the youth in the ghetto- that they can still be successful.
On a whole, hip hop has kind of sunken from being deep in any fashion, but then again, look at Run DMC- they didn't always have the best lyrics 🙂 But, some hip hop is making a positive change.. I think someone mentioned Common. He's a positive rapper. Some rappers out there today are making decent songs and decent lyrics, but those who aren't are very detrimental.
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
Common is a single artist and is one of my favorite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_%28rapper%29
slackerinabox
Lifer
"Ya'll gonna eat that there um roadkill 'cause I am sure havin a hankering for some meat!"
How is "red neck" talk, or the stereotype of such any different?
The problem is that the hip hop culture went from Public Enemy style socio-political fueled, black power, respect black history and color equality to; look at me, I'm a gangsta, I have bling, I deal drugs and kill niggaz message.
What is to respect about that? The vast majority of the hip hop artists today barely have a high school level understanding of history and what they really should be fighting for.
What is to respect about that? The vast majority of the hip hop artists today barely have a high school level understanding of history and what they really should be fighting for.
Treyshadow
Senior member
Man, if there aren't a lot of stereo types around here.
I will start with:
I am black
I am 29
I used to DJ heavily (mid 90s)
I grew up in Europe, and move to the states in 91 so I did high school here, but had a good deliniation from 80's american style.
Anywho, I listen to Hip Hop, not rap, and most here do not make that distinction. There is a difference between Mike Jones and Common. Kanye West may be on the border as some of his songs are not hip hop (Gold digger) and some are (Diamonds From Sierra Leone, Hey Mama). Since the ones that are true hip hop tend not to be played on the radio, only the tracks he releases that are air play grabbers define him. So I can't call him hip hop like I can tribe called quest, or even better De La Soul or Common sense.
And bastardization of the english language is not true either. There are social "coloqualisms" and idiomatic phrases that we should all understand. They exist is almost any language even if it is "what it do" or saying "a spot of tea". It is a subculture that is the underlayment of much of urban american society. Not understanding the environment by stating that these people are "stupid" rather than referring to them as different is where the ignorance lies.
However I digress.
Please discern, or keep an ear of indifference to those that are pumping radio rap through their speakers with those that are playing lyrical intelligent music. Yes, the beats may be similar, that means you may have to actually have some knowledge and experience on the subject before expounding about it.
Though hip hop has changed, I don't think it is as political as it once was, but there are still great artists making good music. They just aren't as mainstream as Public Enemy. X-Clan, and or Ice Cube. Artists like Common are getting more mainstream, but good artists like black thought from the roots are still a bit more underground. If you want to hear hip hop, go listen to the roots, then come back and state there is no difference between them and say the black eyed peas with "my humps"
I will start with:
I am black
I am 29
I used to DJ heavily (mid 90s)
I grew up in Europe, and move to the states in 91 so I did high school here, but had a good deliniation from 80's american style.
Anywho, I listen to Hip Hop, not rap, and most here do not make that distinction. There is a difference between Mike Jones and Common. Kanye West may be on the border as some of his songs are not hip hop (Gold digger) and some are (Diamonds From Sierra Leone, Hey Mama). Since the ones that are true hip hop tend not to be played on the radio, only the tracks he releases that are air play grabbers define him. So I can't call him hip hop like I can tribe called quest, or even better De La Soul or Common sense.
And bastardization of the english language is not true either. There are social "coloqualisms" and idiomatic phrases that we should all understand. They exist is almost any language even if it is "what it do" or saying "a spot of tea". It is a subculture that is the underlayment of much of urban american society. Not understanding the environment by stating that these people are "stupid" rather than referring to them as different is where the ignorance lies.
However I digress.
Please discern, or keep an ear of indifference to those that are pumping radio rap through their speakers with those that are playing lyrical intelligent music. Yes, the beats may be similar, that means you may have to actually have some knowledge and experience on the subject before expounding about it.
Though hip hop has changed, I don't think it is as political as it once was, but there are still great artists making good music. They just aren't as mainstream as Public Enemy. X-Clan, and or Ice Cube. Artists like Common are getting more mainstream, but good artists like black thought from the roots are still a bit more underground. If you want to hear hip hop, go listen to the roots, then come back and state there is no difference between them and say the black eyed peas with "my humps"
AznAnarchy99
Lifer
http://musicstore.real.com/music_store/genre?genreid=260&from=list
the #3 country song (was number last time i listened to it)
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