So what do you guys think of the soon to be released ASUS P4PE?
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I sure hope that Asus does a much better job 'QA-ing' this board than they did on their P4S8X (SiS648) board. 
Seems to me (at least this year) that Asus is placing more urgency on being 'first out of the gate' with each new chipset than with Quality Assurance (that their reputation was built on)!
Seems to me (at least this year) that Asus is placing more urgency on being 'first out of the gate' with each new chipset than with Quality Assurance (that their reputation was built on)!
That's one huge mistake that Asus wishes they could bury. They lost the trust of hundreds of users (including myself) not only because of their shoddy QA on the P4S8X, but more so as the result of their subsequent denial to the many owners complaining that their board would NOT run stable (as advertised) at DDR333 (even the few users that have managed to get it to run at 333 can only do it at CL=2.5 with CAS2 DIMMs)!Originally posted by: senior guy
I sure hope that Asus does a much better job 'QA-ing' this board than they did on their P4S8X (SiS648) board.
Seems to me (at least this year) that Asus is placing more urgency on being 'first out of the gate' with each new chipset than with Quality Assurance (that their reputation was built on)!
Asus is receiving lots of negative press - deservingly so, I might add.
Hi people,
I picked up a p4s8x a week ago; and after wait 4 days to get some Corsair ddr400 3200XMS C2 memory I discovered the Secondary IDE was DEAD - No CD/RW & No DVD yet they were plugged in correctly. Took it back to a techie who confirmed the Sec. IDE channel was Fuct.
It's gone back to the wholesaler on an RA and will be swapped out with a P4PE first thing in the morning. So I guess I'll let you know how it goes - once I've done a decent burn-in session.
For sure ASUS sucked the Fat-One with the P4S8X and it certainly has given some major reservations for going with another one of their boards - but I'll give the P4PE a shot, only because it's an Intel chipset if for no other reason.
Oh how the mighty (ASUS) fall...
Cheers.
I picked up a p4s8x a week ago; and after wait 4 days to get some Corsair ddr400 3200XMS C2 memory I discovered the Secondary IDE was DEAD - No CD/RW & No DVD yet they were plugged in correctly. Took it back to a techie who confirmed the Sec. IDE channel was Fuct.
It's gone back to the wholesaler on an RA and will be swapped out with a P4PE first thing in the morning. So I guess I'll let you know how it goes - once I've done a decent burn-in session.
For sure ASUS sucked the Fat-One with the P4S8X and it certainly has given some major reservations for going with another one of their boards - but I'll give the P4PE a shot, only because it's an Intel chipset if for no other reason.
Oh how the mighty (ASUS) fall...
Cheers.
The moral to the story is Before Buying Any Motherboard, Wait Until Its Been In Users Hands For A While. Asus has demonstrated (beyond any doubt) that they are not any better than other brands reqarding quality or support. And in the case of an Asus board, it's a good idea to check asusboards.com to see the users' reception. Had your read this, its unlikely you would have bought the P4S8X!
BTW, the P4PE isn't even shipping yet, and won't ship until the chipset is formally announced next week. Even when it does ship, take a wait and see attitude!
BTW, the P4PE isn't even shipping yet, and won't ship until the chipset is formally announced next week. Even when it does ship, take a wait and see attitude!
Unbelievable!... that must put you in the 1 percentile (at best) of users who can. :Q
To what memory (or other voodoo) do you attribute your miraculous results?
There are actually a number of people (who have posted on asusboards.com, here, and ocworkbench) who are stable at default/auto settings using 166 (or 333 or 2700) CL2 memory. I don't know what the %'s are because those who post on such boards are obviously more likely to have problems (and therefore any polls are sampling of posters would not be statistically useful.
As for me...I'm using 2 sticks of 512Mb Corsair XMS2700. I've left the timings at by SPD (which correctly shows the CL of 2). The CPU FSB is bumped to 145 currently - I was up to 149 but got errors (only) in Prime95 apparently related to heat. The vcore is set to 1.65 - was 1.7. The memory frequency is set to 181 with the timing set to synch - it was at 185 when the FSB was 149. The memory voltage is bumped one notch to 2.6.
At those settings I've been running Prime95 for about 20 hours without problem. At the old, higher settings (149/185) I was completely functionally stable - able to run 3dMark repeatedly, Sandra CPU/Memory burn-in tests repeatedly, play UT2003 and anything else. Just had rounding errors in the Prime95 torture test.
No matter your success (and I'm happy for you), there can be little arguement that you are in the small minority when it comes to operating this board (at 333, CAS2) without any problems. There are some that say that newer versions of the board were released by Asus, so perhaps they (silently) corrected their original design defects....
Originally posted by: IntelConvert
No matter your success (and I'm happy for you), there can be little arguement that you are in the small minority when it comes to operating this board (at 333, CAS2) without any problems. There are some that say that newer versions of the board were released by Asus, so perhaps they (silently) corrected their original design defects....
Not sure on what you're basing your conclusion about "small minority." All we have to go on are (yes numerous) reports on this and other boards. We have no idea how many boards have been sold. We do know that the sample of people on the various boards will almost always be the ones with more problems - h#ll if your systems working, you play UT2003
. I post (mostly) from work where I can get away with posting but not playing.So I don't know what percentage of all of the people who have gotten the P4S8X are having problems running at 166 and CL2 (assuming they have memory that is rated at those speed and timing settings). There are a not insignificant number of people even on the boards that have been able to, and all the reviewers have been able to run at 166 or above (motherboards.org even had the CL at 2 based on his bios screenshots).
And as for the newer version, I've also seen the post at asusboards.com that (I think) started the rumor. But it looks like no one has actually posted that they have a different silkscreened revision number (ie, not "1.3") on their boards. All of the "revision 2" talk has come from what WCPUID reports under chipset info. But it reports "revision 2" even for my board which was one of the first shipped.
BTW, if you go to the motherboards.org review you can see a picture of the revision 1.3 silkscreen.
Either way, there is clearly an issue with certain boards (and certain memory) running at default speed. And there are too many such reports for anyone to say that this is a defect free product. And Asus obviously deserves, at least, partial blame for those problems (some blame falls on memory makers for both failing to agree to a standard for 166 memory sooner and in some case for making sh!tty memory) . No argument from me that the board has problems for some people that are not those people's fault. I just don't think anyone here (unless they have some secret source of info) can say that "all" or the "vast majority" of the boards have problems.
Picking nits I know.
Do you have any problem with the P4S8X? (poll at asusboards.com)
Memory problems...... 80 .................. 41%
VCore problems......... 54................... 27%
Other problems.......... 41................... 21%
Board runs perfect..... 23................... 11%
Totals: .................... 135 users ....... 100%
Memory problems...... 80 .................. 41%
VCore problems......... 54................... 27%
Other problems.......... 41................... 21%
Board runs perfect..... 23................... 11%
Totals: .................... 135 users ....... 100%
Nice tease Evan; so can we expect your review on the 7th?Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
So what do you guys think of the soon to be released ASUS P4PE?
It's pretty good so far.
Hi all,
Well senior guy, you see in some (very few) countries other than the US of A we've got the board already. I.e. my country NEW ZEALAND.
My P4PE arrived this morning, it's on my desk now.
But the bad news is it's a stripped down p4pe (no S-ATA, no RAID, No IDE 133, No Firewire.....) So the NZ vendor has apologised and will be sending me the P4PE Ultra on a Saturday delivery.
You see New Zealand is a favourite test market (soft launch) for much of the tech stuff made in the world. With only 3.8 million people and being so far away from the US our isolation makes us a great guinea-pig market - sometimes thats good sometimes that's bad...
http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/socket478/p4pe/specification.htm
The wait and see approach is wise... but New Zealanders have never been like that, we were first to split the Atom, first to give woman the vote, invent the plastic disposable syringe, oh and the First to fly (despite what you learned in American history in the 8th grade - http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/index.html
By the way alongside Great Britain and Australia - New Zealand is one of USA's greatest and long-standing allies.
Have a great day, and i'll try to let you know as much as I can about this board ASAP. I don't mind being on the 'bleeding-edge' it's the NZ (Kiwi) thing to do!
Cheers,
Hamish Richardson
Wellington,
NEW ZEALAND
Well senior guy, you see in some (very few) countries other than the US of A we've got the board already. I.e. my country NEW ZEALAND.
My P4PE arrived this morning, it's on my desk now.
But the bad news is it's a stripped down p4pe (no S-ATA, no RAID, No IDE 133, No Firewire.....) So the NZ vendor has apologised and will be sending me the P4PE Ultra on a Saturday delivery.
You see New Zealand is a favourite test market (soft launch) for much of the tech stuff made in the world. With only 3.8 million people and being so far away from the US our isolation makes us a great guinea-pig market - sometimes thats good sometimes that's bad...
http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/socket478/p4pe/specification.htm
The wait and see approach is wise... but New Zealanders have never been like that, we were first to split the Atom, first to give woman the vote, invent the plastic disposable syringe, oh and the First to fly (despite what you learned in American history in the 8th grade - http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/index.html
By the way alongside Great Britain and Australia - New Zealand is one of USA's greatest and long-standing allies.
Have a great day, and i'll try to let you know as much as I can about this board ASAP. I don't mind being on the 'bleeding-edge' it's the NZ (Kiwi) thing to do!
Cheers,
Hamish Richardson
Wellington,
NEW ZEALAND
Evan: I'll second senior guy's request. In light of Asus' fiasco with their P4S8X, lots of us want to know how 'solid' their P4PE is, and how it benches against the best of the i845G boards!Originally posted by: senior guy
Nice tease Evan; so can we expect your review on the 7th?Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
So what do you guys think of the soon to be released ASUS P4PE?
It's pretty good so far.
you guys sure it isnt the SiS chipsets thats causing the problems? the P4PE is based on the i845PE chipset by Intel and the P4B533 thats currently out runs pretty good in my book.
Tony~ The truth of the matter is that we aren't sure of anything at this point, other than the P4S8X is a problem board. But even if the cause of the P4S8X's problems is the SiS648, Asus should have discovered that early on in their QA/Validation process and should not have released a problem board regardless of cause!
Maybe you're right. However the P4S8X is considerably cheaper compared to ASUS's other offerings based on other chipsets so maybe the age old saying applies here: You get what you pay for.
I don't know why people puts ASUS on such a high pedestal. They make some good boards, but have had a lot of Turkeys as well, especially if you are an overclocker. Among the recent Turkeys (Intel side), are the CUSL2, TUSL2, P4B266, P4T533, and now the P4S8X. The P4B533 is a good one only because someone figured out how to hack the 3:4 mem ratio with a dipswitch setting. I'm interested the 845PE, but would wait until the boards come out to see which is the one to get.
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