So what benefits are there with upgrading to Penryn

AndyD2k

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Building a new pc soon. Not sure if it makes sense to upgrade to Peryn. I know current quad cores are supposed to create a lot of heat - will there be a major difference with the move to 45nm?
 

Acanthus

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The latest numbers say the TDPs will be almost identical.

So the advantages will be slightly higher max overclocks, more cache, more fsb.
 

AndyD2k

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hmm. I'm thinking I should stay behind one generation this time around then. Not sure if it's worth paying premium on boards etc to be an early adopter. Also noticed that the cpus aren't due till jan 08 (at least the lower cost ones)
 

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Lower heat and higher maximum core speed. An overclocked DC north of 3.2GHz should be fast enough for virtually all PC users.
 

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Most current p35 motherboards will support the penryn line.

But as they will be the same speed clock for clock with current chips, its not really worth getting one if you currently have a core 2 duo/quad.

The next line will be the ones to look out for - the native quads/oct cores with 16 threads total :D
 

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Toadster
Originally posted by: asdftt123
SSE4?

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over 100% increase in some benchmarks already done...

Artificial, no application supports SSE4.


artificial media conversion?

On the media encoding side of things, the DivX 6.6 (with SSE4) 1080p MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion task has Wolfdale cutting the Core 2 Duo's encoding time in half, giving the 45nm chip a 115 percent lead over its predecessor.

snagged from http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...oosts-media-games.html
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Toadster
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Toadster
Originally posted by: asdftt123
SSE4?

.

over 100% increase in some benchmarks already done...

Artificial, no application supports SSE4.


artificial media conversion?

On the media encoding side of things, the DivX 6.6 (with SSE4) 1080p MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion task has Wolfdale cutting the Core 2 Duo's encoding time in half, giving the 45nm chip a 115 percent lead over its predecessor.

snagged from http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...oosts-media-games.html

I have not seen that DivX bench before.

We will see if its true when more people get their hands on it. Very exciting if true.

This would make the quad a fantastic encoding chip.
 

SexyK

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Originally posted by: Saiyukimot
But as they will be the same speed clock for clock with current chips, its not really worth getting one if you currently have a core 2 duo/quad.

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Actually, on average Penryn's looking like a 5% improvement clock-for-clock over Conroe based on early tests. Not huge, but also not "the same speed."
 

nyker96

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I think it's lower heat, better clock-for-clock and some extra instructions.
 

AndyD2k

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I just realized that I don't need x38 to use Penryn cpus. Anyway, some new questions :)

1. Are there official prices?
2. Will there be consumer level cpus released in November? I remember seeing a table where it showed only one cpu being released in November while the rest will show up in January. I remember that one to also have a estimate of $1,000
 

dflynchimp

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not worth upgrading to a similarly clocked and same-X-cores cpu. now if you were jumping from a low end Core 2 Duo to a Penryn quad that might be justified.
 

dflynchimp

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depending on your budget, the current Conroe/Kentsfield cpus might still be the better buy after the inevitable price cuts that Penryn will bring.
 

AndyD2k

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I would say max around $350 considering the fact that I was going with a 6600 which is around $278 now
 

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The latest numbers say the TDPs will be almost identical.

So the advantages will be slightly higher max overclocks, more cache, more fsb.

If TDP was really a good indicator of power consumption, Prescott wouldn't have been bad....

Despite that top-end Prescott had 130W TDP, it went over 150W on tests, while 130W TDP Kentsfield doesn't even reach TDP. Penryn will have same TDP, but will offer lower real world usage power consumption.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Toadster
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Toadster
Originally posted by: asdftt123
SSE4?

.

over 100% increase in some benchmarks already done...

Artificial, no application supports SSE4.


artificial media conversion?

On the media encoding side of things, the DivX 6.6 (with SSE4) 1080p MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion task has Wolfdale cutting the Core 2 Duo's encoding time in half, giving the 45nm chip a 115 percent lead over its predecessor.

snagged from http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...oosts-media-games.html

I have not seen that DivX bench before.

We will see if its true when more people get their hands on it. Very exciting if true.

This would make the quad a fantastic encoding chip.
I saw that on an AT test iirc a month or more ago.

 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
The latest numbers say the TDPs will be almost identical.

So the advantages will be slightly higher max overclocks, more cache, more fsb.

If TDP was really a good indicator of power consumption, Prescott wouldn't have been bad....

Despite that top-end Prescott had 130W TDP, it went over 150W on tests, while 130W TDP Kentsfield doesn't even reach TDP. Penryn will have same TDP, but will offer lower real world usage power consumption.
AT tests comparing 2.33 ghz penryn vs e6550 found significantly less heat generated by cpu.

 

AndyD2k

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Originally posted by: AndyD2k
I just realized that I don't need x38 to use Penryn cpus. Anyway, some new questions :)

1. Are there official prices?
2. Will there be consumer level cpus released in November? I remember seeing a table where it showed only one cpu being released in November while the rest will show up in January. I remember that one to also have a estimate of $1,000

Don't forget this :)
 

coldpower27

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Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
The latest numbers say the TDPs will be almost identical.

So the advantages will be slightly higher max overclocks, more cache, more fsb.

If TDP was really a good indicator of power consumption, Prescott wouldn't have been bad....

Despite that top-end Prescott had 130W TDP, it went over 150W on tests, while 130W TDP Kentsfield doesn't even reach TDP. Penryn will have same TDP, but will offer lower real world usage power consumption.

TDP with Core technology has generally been below to quite a bit below, so we will require actual testing to see.
 

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Originally posted by: AndyD2k
I would say max around $350 considering the fact that I was going with a 6600 which is around $278 now

i dont think penryn will be that price anytime soon.

The newest yorki class chip will be introduced as the QX9650. Retail price around 1000 dollars.

The Q line, or more what people use will be out sometime next year. I expect middle Q1 or earily Q2. Intel has no rush on releasing things yet. AMD is lagging with there tails in between there legs.

If your upgrade option has a timeline of around 2-3 months, a kentsfield is the only quadcore you can look at. And please do some research on it. They dont behave like there single die C2D little sisters do.