So tomorrow it begins for real

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
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He can if he fucking wanted to. Fuck, who in those agencies can tell the President "No"? He'll just fire them and appoint someone who will say "Yes".

I don't believe you're being realistic here.

He, no more than us, would even know what questions to ask, or to whom. If you don't know the right questions to ask, you're not likely to get the answers.

Plus, and I wouldn't put it past the intellegence underworld, they could just lie; he wouldn't know.

I would also imagine there is info he doesn't want to know, and I'd think that intel officials would think silimilarly; because once you're told plausible deniability is gone.

Finally, I think he'll be way too busy picking his cabinet etc to delve into non-essential info about flying saucers and the like (umm... I'm hoping it's non-essential - not like "President Obama, please greet our alien overlords....")

Fern

You assume that he'll get the answer from just one source. Let me ask you a question: If there was information that you were really interested in, would you just go to one source or would you verify it with others? I can't speak for anyone else but if there was something I really wanted to know, no one will stop me.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Dari
if there was something I really wanted to know, no one will stop me.

I wonder if that's what JFK said...

/tinfoilhat

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: Dari
He can if he fucking wanted to. Fuck, who in those agencies can tell the President "No"? He'll just fire them and appoint someone who will say "Yes".

Plenty. Do you honestly believe that the chief of the NSA or CIA is going to start giving up spooks or truly sensitive information just because the President decided he'd like to know something on a whim? Come on.

Remember a few years back when that nuke was supposedly lost in transit across the US? Yeah, that was a big public fuck you letter from the Joint Chiefs to the Executive Office.

 

[fskimospy]

Technically the president has access to all information that is the property of any executive branch agency. (that's pretty much the entire government) The only information he wouldn't be privy to would be inner workings of Congress and the USSC due to separation of powers issues and personal information protected by statute.

If he wanted to see Roswell, he could go see it.

Not that this means people haven't found zillions of ways to hide information from the president over the years, but legally they can't say no.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: trmiv
When I think about him getting briefed I keep picturing that Chappelle Show skit with Dave playing Morgan Freeman from Deep Impact. "Oswald killed Kennedy.......with a magic bullet. That's right magic does exist, we've known about it for some 2000 years."

lol

Reality sets in tomorrow for Obama. Watching these guys age over the course of their term is a fantastic show. I predict if Obama isnt balding he will start. His hair will also turn white.

 

[AFMatt]

Presidential access to classified information is governed by the same rule that applies to everyone else with a clearance: Need to know basis.

 

[Infohawk]

I wonder if Bush paid any attention to the alert that people were planning on using planes as weapons when he was in his transition phase... oh right he didn't.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think that you'll actually see a major difference. Much of the security threats to the US comes from within Europe and having a president with less ties to Europe will be an advantage. I'm hoping to see him make the European governments crumble through the economic crisis. A Europe full of Icelands would promote world peace.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Obviously they won't give him all the details on everything, it could take years to get that, but so you're telling me that if he went to a certain department and said "Oh, so what are you doing?" there are people who would say "Sorry, I cannot tell you.". I mean, really? How would they answer this question from him "OK, who do I go to to get approval?" because ultimately the buck stops with him.

The buck stops with the people holding the purse-strings. That would be Congress.

You should watch Charlie Wilson's war. Although obviously there is some liberty taken with the story to make it an entertaining movie, it is based on how $$$$ flows, and who controls it.

Yeah...that was a great movie...saw it for the first time a couple months ago. (Side Note: Murtha came out looking like a complete ass at the end of that movie...his lack of human compassion was incredibly disappointing...and the bastard just got reelected again! There is no justice.)

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that you'll actually see a major difference. Much of the security threats to the US comes from within Europe and having a president with less ties to Europe will be an advantage. I'm hoping to see him make the European governments crumble through the economic crisis. A Europe full of Icelands would promote world peace.

As soon as I saw your name in the most recent post column I knew it would be about Europe.

Once and for all can you just admit that something terrible happened to you in Europe and that now you're obsessed with them?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that you'll actually see a major difference. Much of the security threats to the US comes from within Europe and having a president with less ties to Europe will be an advantage. I'm hoping to see him make the European governments crumble through the economic crisis. A Europe full of Icelands would promote world peace.

ahahhhah

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
-snip-

He can if he fucking wanted to. Fuck, who in those agencies can tell the President "No"? He'll just fire them and appoint someone who will say "Yes".

I don't believe you're being realistic here.

He, no more than us, would even know what questions to ask, or to whom. If you don't know the right questions to ask, you're not likely to get the answers.

Plus, and I wouldn't put it past the intellegence underworld, they could just lie; he wouldn't know.

I would also imagine there is info he doesn't want to know, and I'd think that intel officials would think silimilarly; because once you're told plausible deniability is gone.

Finally, I think he'll be way too busy picking his cabinet etc to delve into non-essential info about flying saucers and the like (umm... I'm hoping it's non-essential - not like "President Obama, please greet our alien overlords....")

Fern

I agree with what you're saying, but I also agree that there's more than one way to get info. I am positive that the president can find someone willing to be his eyes and ears in every department. There's be at least one career-minded person who doesn't consider it inappropriate to give the president information.

 

[tnitsuj]

The type of national security information you guys are talking about Top Secret, Secret etc. are all fully accessible to the president of the United States. The president is the "Original Classification Authority" of the US. He delegates classification authority down to Cabinet Secretaries, Agency Heads etc...and down the line to for example Joe Blow Intel officer in some agency who can classify something. As such the president can allow access to national security information at any classification level and obtain access to national security information at any classification level and designate others as having access to that (although this usually goes through the standard background investigation and clearance process). In the case of the president elect..he probably is just given access.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: AFMatt
Presidential access to classified information is governed by the same rule that applies to everyone else with a clearance: Need to know basis.

He really isn't. He decides who needs to know, and he is the ultimate authority on all classified information.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that you'll actually see a major difference. Much of the security threats to the US comes from within Europe and having a president with less ties to Europe will be an advantage. I'm hoping to see him make the European governments crumble through the economic crisis. A Europe full of Icelands would promote world peace.

As soon as I saw your name in the most recent post column I knew it would be about Europe.

Once and for all can you just admit that something terrible happened to you in Europe and that now you're obsessed with them?

The same thing motivates me that motivates people who post about Bush, Israel, the US, or whatever topic they latch onto.

What motivates you to constantly protect Europe as they promote genocide and destruction completely against the interest of the United States and the worldwide community?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The same thing motivates me that motivates people who post about Bush, Israel, the US, or whatever topic they latch onto.

I can't think of any other regular poster that has such an overwhelming focus on one pet issue like you do. THere are a lot of pro and anti-bush posters. You are the only euro-obssessed poaster. What's with your fetish?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The same thing motivates me that motivates people who post about Bush, Israel, the US, or whatever topic they latch onto.

What motivates you to constantly protect Europe as they promote genocide and destruction completely against the interest of the United States and the worldwide community?

Show the court on this doll where the Europeans touched you.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The same thing motivates me that motivates people who post about Bush, Israel, the US, or whatever topic they latch onto.

I can't think of any other regular poster that has such an overwhelming focus on one pet issue like you do. THere are a lot of pro and anti-bush posters. You are the only euro-obssessed poaster. What's with your fetish?

Does it have to be spoon fed to you? You can infer it from what you deleted from my post.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Interesting. It's strange to me that to get to top secret intelligence you need a whack of background checks and all that, but if enough people say you're president, you can get EVERYTHING without any of that? Granted, it's part of the other side to see what your history is, but officially he would now have the top security clearance in the country, literally above anybody, and without any background check, right?

Also, is it true that the president can literally demand any information on anything? Are there cases where he'd be outside a need-to-know and unable to get information unless he truly had a good reason?

Not really. The REAL secrets are held by the DoD, NSA, CIA. Obama will not be getting a full briefing of Groom Lake aircraft or other "Black Budget" expenditures, just as I am sure he doesnt really care.

He can if he fucking wanted to. Fuck, who in those agencies can tell the President "No"? He'll just fire them and appoint someone who will say "Yes".

You have no idea how it works, do you?

was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Show the court on this doll where the Europeans touched you.

:laugh:

 

[Muse]

He's going to get the lay of the land. He'll be briefed by GWB and his close associates and find out what they think, the structure of operations, see memos, documents etc. If there are major secret goings on, he'll find out about them. He'll find out about how to find out about various types of information. Of course, he'll find out about the White House. He'll meet with a variety of top government officials of both parties. He'll coalesce a transition team and the process of developing a cabinet will proceed apace.

 

[SecPro]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Interesting. It's strange to me that to get to top secret intelligence you need a whack of background checks and all that, but if enough people say you're president, you can get EVERYTHING without any of that? Granted, it's part of the other side to see what your history is, but officially he would now have the top security clearance in the country, literally above anybody, and without any background check, right?

Also, is it true that the president can literally demand any information on anything? Are there cases where he'd be outside a need-to-know and unable to get information unless he truly had a good reason?

What's really funny is that if he wasn't going to be the President and actually had to apply to get a clearance he most probably wouldn't get one.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Interesting. It's strange to me that to get to top secret intelligence you need a whack of background checks and all that, but if enough people say you're president, you can get EVERYTHING without any of that? Granted, it's part of the other side to see what your history is, but officially he would now have the top security clearance in the country, literally above anybody, and without any background check, right?

Also, is it true that the president can literally demand any information on anything? Are there cases where he'd be outside a need-to-know and unable to get information unless he truly had a good reason?

What's really funny is that if he wasn't going to be the President and actually had to apply to get a clearance he most probably wouldn't get one.

I hear this alot on these forums but never bothered to ask why people would say that? Why would you say that?

 

[SecPro]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Interesting. It's strange to me that to get to top secret intelligence you need a whack of background checks and all that, but if enough people say you're president, you can get EVERYTHING without any of that? Granted, it's part of the other side to see what your history is, but officially he would now have the top security clearance in the country, literally above anybody, and without any background check, right?

Also, is it true that the president can literally demand any information on anything? Are there cases where he'd be outside a need-to-know and unable to get information unless he truly had a good reason?

What's really funny is that if he wasn't going to be the President and actually had to apply to get a clearance he most probably wouldn't get one.

I hear this alot on these forums but never bothered to ask why people would say that? Why would you say that?

His drug abuse in college, his relationships with Ayers, Rezko and Wright would all be red flags.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: SecPro
His drug abuse in college, his relationships with Ayers, Rezko and Wright would all be red flags.

And he'd still get his clearance. The company I work for is is a contractor that does federal security clearances. Honesty is the key.