So this is what I don't get..

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Also, the only way into the city is I-10 from the west. VERY easy to control access to the city. Hell, if the Red Cross can be kept out....

Actually, thats totally incorrect.

The ways into the city are (and these are just the major ones not the backroads and smaller streets):

The GNO toll bridge

(The Crescent City Connection) - Who is left south of the city?

The Twinspan (which is currently destroyed)

Destroyed...exactly.

The Causeway (which is working)

Southbound is damaged. Northbound is dedicated to emergency vehicle traffic right now.

The Huey P. Long Bridge

Again, who the hell is left south of the city?

Airline Highway

Underwater west of 310, eh?

Earhart Highway

Same, eh? Plus, it's not that long

I-10

Right...mentioned that.
It would be very easy to limit access into the city.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

Sorry but there are tons of stories and eye witness accounts of rapes, and murders coming from folks stuck in the Superdome. Many women could not go to bathrooms alone for fear of being raped. In fact I was listening just now of a story of a guy who raped a little girl and killed her. Luckliy he was caught in the act but about 10 guys decided this scum bag shouldn't live to see another day and beat him to death.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050903/ts_nm/mayhem_dc

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Wow . . . did you have that position before the 2002 or 2004 elections?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

Sorry but there are tons of stories and eye witness accounts of rapes, and murders coming from folks stuck in the Superdome. Many women could not go to bathrooms alone for fear of being raped. In fact I was listening just know of a story of a guy who raped a little girl and killed her. Luckliy he was caught in the act but about 10 guys decided this scum bag shouldn't live to see another day and beat him to death.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050903/ts_nm/mayhem_dc

And that stopped evacuations? Hmmm...from what I recall, evacuations have been going on since Wed. night. No reason...NO REASON why food/water could not have been shipped in with the buses.

Stop making excuses for a BULLSH*T reason to keep the Red Cross out. Actually, you're making excuses for a reason NOT mentioned by the Red Cross. The reason they mention was that people would be encouraged to enter the city, not because of any security issues. You might want to re-read those links.

I seem to recall the Red Cross was active in the Aceh province of Indonesia despite being a hotbed of violence at the hands of separatist rebels.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Wow . . . did you have that position before the 2002 or 2004 elections?

How do you mean? I voted for Gore and Kerry, as you know well.

edit: Oh that's right... it's ALL about the partisanship to you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How is it that reporters, camera crews, trucks full of food, water for the camera crews and reporters, can get into the hardest hit areas of new orleans, but trucks with water, baby formula and heart meds for the victims apparently can't get into those areas?

Are the white people (ambulance drivers, police men, fire fighters, and other assorted hero types) afraid to go in there in case they get attacked and killed by marauding black people?

The reporters are not stopped from coming in. They are also exposed to the same dangers. A reporter was runover and killed right outside the building here.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

Sorry but there are tons of stories and eye witness accounts of rapes, and murders coming from folks stuck in the Superdome. Many women could not go to bathrooms alone for fear of being raped. In fact I was listening just know of a story of a guy who raped a little girl and killed her. Luckliy he was caught in the act but about 10 guys decided this scum bag shouldn't live to see another day and beat him to death.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050903/ts_nm/mayhem_dc

And that stopped evacuations? Hmmm...from what I recall, evacuations have been going on since Wed. night. No reason...NO REASON why food/water could not have been shipped in with the buses.

Stop making excuses for a BULLSH*T reason to keep the Red Cross out. Actually, you're making excuses for a reason NOT mentioned by the Red Cross. The reason they mention was that people would be encouraged to enter the city, not because of any security issues. You might want to re-read those links.

I seem to recall the Red Cross was active in the Aceh province of Indonesia despite being a hotbed of violence at the hands of separatist rebels.

Oh and so when helicopters were being fired upon by mobs of looters they should of been gun ho about it right ?

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How is it that reporters, camera crews, trucks full of food, water for the camera crews and reporters, can get into the hardest hit areas of new orleans, but trucks with water, baby formula and heart meds for the victims apparently can't get into those areas?

Do you remember when the marines landed to the coast of Somalia ?

Reporters were already invaded the beach of Somalia !
They waited US finest with camcorder lights turned on !

Im not sure if that tells about the skills of reporters, or something else about the US armed forces..
Perhaps it also explains why rescue efforts in New Orleans were so slow and pathetic ?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How is it that reporters, camera crews, trucks full of food, water for the camera crews and reporters, can get into the hardest hit areas of new orleans, but trucks with water, baby formula and heart meds for the victims apparently can't get into those areas?

Do you remember when the marines landed to the coast of Somalia ?

Reporters were already invaded the beach of Somalia !
They waited US finest with camcorder lights turned on !

Im not sure if that tells about the skills of reporters, or something else about the US armed forces..
Perhaps it also explains why rescue efforts in New Orleans were so slow and pathetic ?

Dude the government is pathetic, military's not immue. In fact it's the worst since it requires the least credentials for the job from its employees.

Read here to seee pages and pages of breakdowns that would not happen in private industry

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

Sorry but there are tons of stories and eye witness accounts of rapes, and murders coming from folks stuck in the Superdome. Many women could not go to bathrooms alone for fear of being raped. In fact I was listening just know of a story of a guy who raped a little girl and killed her. Luckliy he was caught in the act but about 10 guys decided this scum bag shouldn't live to see another day and beat him to death.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050903/ts_nm/mayhem_dc

And that stopped evacuations? Hmmm...from what I recall, evacuations have been going on since Wed. night. No reason...NO REASON why food/water could not have been shipped in with the buses.

Stop making excuses for a BULLSH*T reason to keep the Red Cross out. Actually, you're making excuses for a reason NOT mentioned by the Red Cross. The reason they mention was that people would be encouraged to enter the city, not because of any security issues. You might want to re-read those links.

I seem to recall the Red Cross was active in the Aceh province of Indonesia despite being a hotbed of violence at the hands of separatist rebels.

Oh and so when helicopters were being fired upon by mobs of looters they should of been gun ho about it right ?

FEMA said no one had been fired upon in the last 48 hrs (and that was earlier today)

Most of the reports of being fired upon were unfounded.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.

Hmm...how many were shot and killed at the Superdome? At the Convention Center? At the various hospitals? On the various highway overpasses?

Sorry but there are tons of stories and eye witness accounts of rapes, and murders coming from folks stuck in the Superdome. Many women could not go to bathrooms alone for fear of being raped. In fact I was listening just know of a story of a guy who raped a little girl and killed her. Luckliy he was caught in the act but about 10 guys decided this scum bag shouldn't live to see another day and beat him to death.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050903/ts_nm/mayhem_dc

And that stopped evacuations? Hmmm...from what I recall, evacuations have been going on since Wed. night. No reason...NO REASON why food/water could not have been shipped in with the buses.

Stop making excuses for a BULLSH*T reason to keep the Red Cross out. Actually, you're making excuses for a reason NOT mentioned by the Red Cross. The reason they mention was that people would be encouraged to enter the city, not because of any security issues. You might want to re-read those links.

I seem to recall the Red Cross was active in the Aceh province of Indonesia despite being a hotbed of violence at the hands of separatist rebels.

Oh and so when helicopters were being fired upon by mobs of looters they should of been gun ho about it right ?

FEMA said no one had been fired upon in the last 48 hrs (and that was earlier today)

Most of the reports of being fired upon were unfounded.

The FAA also said that they've had zero reports of shots being fired.

 

[conjur]

Gee...imagine that. Disinformation.

Now, I wonder why that would be?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Ryan
IIRC - the majority of reporters risked their own lives to stay during the hurricane just for the story. There is some relief reaching the people of NO, but it's as interesting to report as the the most extreme cases, so you won't hear about it.

Maybe my view is skewed - living in the southeast and knowing/experiencing Hurricanes, I can't help but wonder what is wrong wth some of the people who decided to weather the storm in their homes. And I can't help but wonder what in the hell is wrong with Lousiana's local and state governments (not to be confused with the national government), since they've been well aware that this kinda of senario was going to happen one day - why was there no infrastructure present to deal with this disaster? The blame lies squarely with them, if anyone.

Another thing - why is it that the international media and news organizations must twist this into a black and white/racial issue?!? Why is it that when large amounts of black people are the effected group, it's automatically an issue of race?

I know three people who were activated in the national guard 3 days ago, and have since left to go to the aid of people in the the worst hit areas (in areas hit harder than NO).

As an insider looking out - I can't help but think that anyone outside of the gulf coast can accurately guage this disaster and it's effects, let alone make decisions about it.

The LOCAL governments DID have a multi-year plan going back to 2001 to upgrade all of the levees and perform proper storm management planning. In 2004, the US Army Corp of Engineers requested $140MM to upgrade all levees surrounding NO. Their request was denied, due to budget constraints from the White House, and they recieved only $40MM to do limited maintanence and planning. The Loisianna governnor was quoted in local papers in 2004 complaining about this and the danger it put the city in...

FS

You do realize that had those requests been filled, the work needed to upgrade the dykes and levees probably wouldn't have even started or been finished by now? The city/state has known about this possibility for MANY years - wheir is there planning?!??!

And the ones they just did are the ones that gave?

 

[CanOWorms]

Why do you think that the only "hero types" are white people?