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So this is what I don't get..

aidanjm

Lifer
How is it that reporters, camera crews, trucks full of food, water for the camera crews and reporters, can get into the hardest hit areas of new orleans, but trucks with water, baby formula and heart meds for the victims apparently can't get into those areas?

Are the white people (ambulance drivers, police men, fire fighters, and other assorted hero types) afraid to go in there in case they get attacked and killed by marauding black people?
 
hmmm it does seem very strange especailly when you compare the response time of this, to the tsunami rescue effort, very very confusing
 
IIRC - the majority of reporters risked their own lives to stay during the hurricane just for the story. There is some relief reaching the people of NO, but it's as interesting to report as the the most extreme cases, so you won't hear about it.

Maybe my view is skewed - living in the southeast and knowing/experiencing Hurricanes, I can't help but wonder what is wrong wth some of the people who decided to weather the storm in their homes. And I can't help but wonder what in the hell is wrong with Lousiana's local and state governments (not to be confused with the national government), since they've been well aware that this kinda of senario was going to happen one day - why was there no infrastructure present to deal with this disaster? The blame lies squarely with them, if anyone.

Another thing - why is it that the international media and news organizations must twist this into a black and white/racial issue?!? Why is it that when large amounts of black people are the effected group, it's automatically an issue of race?

I know three people who were activated in the national guard 3 days ago, and have since left to go to the aid of people in the the worst hit areas (in areas hit harder than NO).

As an insider looking out - I can't help but think that anyone outside of the gulf coast can accurately guage this disaster and it's effects, let alone make decisions about it.
 
It is indeed almost impossible to believe. I saw some truly stunning footage on Fox News last night - Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith were in NO, and described how, for no apparent reason, the authorities were preventing people from walking out of the city, and large parts of the city, containing pockets of thousands of people, still have not been provided with food and water.

The only "excuse" seems to be that the response effort, at the local, state, and federal levels, appears to have been very poorly planned, and they seem to be executing it through improvisation, rather than according to a set plan. This is indefensible IMO.

I don't think it's really a race issue at all, for whatever that's worth. Yes, the lion's share of the people left there are black, but NO is more than 70% black to begin with. I have no doubt that many of the National Guardsmen servicing the area are black. I do think it's partially an issue of fear of the lawlessness there; that's certainly why Red Cross, for example, is unable to deliver food and supplies itself without military escort.
 
It was interesting how they were not letting people leave the town. But back to the original point. In some cases I think that the reporters do go over the top to get the story, but other times it seems they just drove right to where the people are at.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
red cross not allowed inside .. why??
Start here:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

Then go here:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/2125/04978

And follow up with this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418
(one of the comments seems to indicate the Salvation Army has adopted this "work in progress" policy change, too)

Also, notice anything interesting in the political contributions of the Chairman of the Red Cross?
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_poli...l_donations/Bonnie_McElveen-Hunter.php
 
I'm posting here just to say I'm thankful that the biggest racist to hit PN in sometime has been banned for a while.

Thanks Mod 😀
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
How is it that reporters, camera crews, trucks full of food, water for the camera crews and reporters, can get into the hardest hit areas of new orleans, but trucks with water, baby formula and heart meds for the victims apparently can't get into those areas?

Are the white people (ambulance drivers, police men, fire fighters, and other assorted hero types) afraid to go in there in case they get attacked and killed by marauding black people?
Because the news media can jump into helos and be at a disaster site within minutes. It does not take a lot for their news companies to support them in the field. Maintaining support for thousands of stranded people in a disaster like this is a huge undertaking that requires strong command & control and planning which was not really seen in this disaster (both local and feds).

A lot of the people in the dome and convention center were from the poorer areas like the Desire projects. A lot of these people are good people but the bad people from there are really bad.

 
Originally posted by: Ryan
IIRC - the majority of reporters risked their own lives to stay during the hurricane just for the story. There is some relief reaching the people of NO, but it's as interesting to report as the the most extreme cases, so you won't hear about it.

Maybe my view is skewed - living in the southeast and knowing/experiencing Hurricanes, I can't help but wonder what is wrong wth some of the people who decided to weather the storm in their homes. And I can't help but wonder what in the hell is wrong with Lousiana's local and state governments (not to be confused with the national government), since they've been well aware that this kinda of senario was going to happen one day - why was there no infrastructure present to deal with this disaster? The blame lies squarely with them, if anyone.

Another thing - why is it that the international media and news organizations must twist this into a black and white/racial issue?!? Why is it that when large amounts of black people are the effected group, it's automatically an issue of race?

I know three people who were activated in the national guard 3 days ago, and have since left to go to the aid of people in the the worst hit areas (in areas hit harder than NO).

As an insider looking out - I can't help but think that anyone outside of the gulf coast can accurately guage this disaster and it's effects, let alone make decisions about it.

The LOCAL governments DID have a multi-year plan going back to 2001 to upgrade all of the levees and perform proper storm management planning. In 2004, the US Army Corp of Engineers requested $140MM to upgrade all levees surrounding NO. Their request was denied, due to budget constraints from the White House, and they recieved only $40MM to do limited maintanence and planning. The Loisianna governnor was quoted in local papers in 2004 complaining about this and the danger it put the city in...

FS

 
Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: Ryan
IIRC - the majority of reporters risked their own lives to stay during the hurricane just for the story. There is some relief reaching the people of NO, but it's as interesting to report as the the most extreme cases, so you won't hear about it.

Maybe my view is skewed - living in the southeast and knowing/experiencing Hurricanes, I can't help but wonder what is wrong wth some of the people who decided to weather the storm in their homes. And I can't help but wonder what in the hell is wrong with Lousiana's local and state governments (not to be confused with the national government), since they've been well aware that this kinda of senario was going to happen one day - why was there no infrastructure present to deal with this disaster? The blame lies squarely with them, if anyone.

Another thing - why is it that the international media and news organizations must twist this into a black and white/racial issue?!? Why is it that when large amounts of black people are the effected group, it's automatically an issue of race?

I know three people who were activated in the national guard 3 days ago, and have since left to go to the aid of people in the the worst hit areas (in areas hit harder than NO).

As an insider looking out - I can't help but think that anyone outside of the gulf coast can accurately guage this disaster and it's effects, let alone make decisions about it.

The LOCAL governments DID have a multi-year plan going back to 2001 to upgrade all of the levees and perform proper storm management planning. In 2004, the US Army Corp of Engineers requested $140MM to upgrade all levees surrounding NO. Their request was denied, due to budget constraints from the White House, and they recieved only $40MM to do limited maintanence and planning. The Loisianna governnor was quoted in local papers in 2004 complaining about this and the danger it put the city in...

FS

You do realize that had those requests been filled, the work needed to upgrade the dykes and levees probably wouldn't have even started or been finished by now? The city/state has known about this possibility for MANY years - wheir is there planning?!??!
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
red cross not allowed inside .. why??
Start here:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

* The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

* The Red Cross shares the nation?s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

* The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

* The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

* As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.
 
Originally posted by: Future Shock

The LOCAL governments DID have a multi-year plan going back to 2001 to upgrade all of the levees and perform proper storm management planning. In 2004, the US Army Corp of Engineers requested $140MM to upgrade all levees surrounding NO. Their request was denied, due to budget constraints from the White House, and they recieved only $40MM to do limited maintanence and planning. The Loisianna governnor was quoted in local papers in 2004 complaining about this and the danger it put the city in...

...work which wouldn't have been done by now. Ergo, this is a moot point.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
red cross not allowed inside .. why??
Start here:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

Then go here:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/2125/04978

And follow up with this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418
(one of the comments seems to indicate the Salvation Army has adopted this "work in progress" policy change, too)

Also, notice anything interesting in the political contributions of the Chairman of the Red Cross?
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_poli...l_donations/Bonnie_McElveen-Hunter.php

wow, just wow, this is amazing

The reason why the resque operations went so well in asia was because it was lead by groups like the red cross. The red cross even complained about the US ships in the area, they were not sharing the info with the red cross on what areas they had been searching in and who they had been helping, so coordinading with them was impossible.

a pattern is emerging
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
red cross not allowed inside .. why??
Start here:
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

* Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

* The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

* The Red Cross shares the nation?s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

* The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

* The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

* As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.
BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Vic fell for the propaganda: hook, line, and sinker.

That part you bolded is just complete and utter BUSH*T!

And you know it.



from another thread:
Encourage others to come into the city? WTF?!? Why would anyone go INTO the city knowing it's underwater and has no food/water? If they're OUT of the city then they have access to food/water!

Also, the only way into the city is I-10 from the west. VERY easy to control access to the city. Hell, if the Red Cross can be kept out....
 
Oh you're right, Conjur... it's all one big evil conspiracy and the Red Cross is in on it too, along with the rest of the illuminatis. Gee, I guess I shouldn't have donated blood and money to them the other day... and oh, sh!t, where's my tinfoil hat?

:Q

:roll::roll:
 
Also, the only way into the city is I-10 from the west. VERY easy to control access to the city. Hell, if the Red Cross can be kept out....

Actually, thats totally incorrect.

The ways into the city are (and these are just the major ones not the backroads and smaller streets):

The GNO toll bridge
The Twinspan (which is currently destroyed)
The Causeway (which is working)
The Huey P. Long Bridge
Airline Highway
Earhart Highway
I-10
 
Some of this isnt that suprising. The red cross isnt going to go where armed mobs are. There voluntiers. The shame is why wasnt the guard there in a day or two? Hindsight is 20/20 and saying we should have been deployed before the flooding isnt helpful as the need would likely have been where the guard wasnt. But the guard by its nature can be moblised rather quickly. The facts that are comming out now are that the guard wasnt called upon untill thursday and thats just wrong. This whole thin about them not letting people out just stinks of really bad decisions but I'm sure well learn more as this all unfolds.
 
Apologists for the government are just freaking amazing. . . Keep the ARC out and you are still on the gov's side - People so staunch in their support of mediocrity scare me.
 
Shall we send the volunteers in to get shot and killed by armed mobs? Quite frankly, I doubt that circumstances would have been one bit different with a Democrat president. No real evidence suggests otherwise. All this finger-pointing is just unproductive partisanship. The attempt to capitalize politically off of tragedy. Nothing more.
 
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