So there might just be something else Daddy Bush didnt get the chance to finish.

digitalsm

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Space flight beyond our gravitational pull, moon and mars missions. G.W. might just try and get the ball rolling again, over a decade later. Apparently theres a speech already in the can, the content mostly known, its just a matter of when Bush will make it. This month, or in the State of the Union. Personally I think we should go for it, stop wasting money on stuff like space stations and push for permenant colonies on the moon, and later manned missions to mars. Of course it will take a lot of money, and most democrats, and some republicans arent likely to agree. *shurgs* I personally like the idea of renewed space exploration.

Renewed Space Flight

When President Bush delivers a speech recognizing the centenary of heavier-than-air-powered flight December 17, it is expected that he will proffer a bold vision of renewed space flight, with at its center a return to the moon, perhaps even establishment of a permanent presence there. If he does, it will mean that he has decided the United States should once again become a space-faring nation. For more than 30 years America's manned space program has limited itself to low Earth orbit; indeed, everyone under the age of 31 ? more than 125 million Americans ? was born since an American last set foot on the moon.

The speech will come at a time when events are converging to force some important decisions about the future of American efforts in space. China has put a man in orbit, plans a launch of three Sinonauts together, and has announced its own lunar program. The space shuttle is grounded, and its smaller sibling, the "orbital space plane," may not be built. The International Space Station, behind schedule, over budget, and of limited utility, has been scaled back post-Columbia.

The content of the speech does not appear to be in doubt; the only question is timing. While those who have formulated it have argued that it be delivered on the anniversary of the Wright Brothers' first powered flight, there exists a slight possibility that it will instead be incorporated in the State of the Union address at the end of January. This has its own, less triumphant, significance, which is in the form of a chilling coincidence. Every American who has died in a spacecraft has done so within one calendar week: The Apollo 204 fire on January 27, 1967; the Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986; and the loss of Columbia on February 1, 2003.

If the president goes ahead with the plan to announce an ambitious new program to carry Americans beyond Earth's immediate gravitational pull, he will argue that the new lunar explorations are justified not only for what they themselves might produce but also as a means of developing the technology and skills necessary for a mission to Mars, which is expected to be mentioned, though in less-specific terms, in the address.
 

Zebo

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500 billion not enough debt eh Bushie? Let piss away more money on fuitless pursuits that draw attention away from real issues at home. Good Idea.:p

Digitalism--Moon is a harsh mistress was science Fiction.:D
 

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Let's just hope he waits until the economy picks up before spending more money. From what I've been reading, the economy appears ready to boom soon. If that's the case, the defecit won't be such a big deal.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
500 billion not enough debt eh Bushie? Let piss away more money on fuitless pursuits that draw attention away from real issues at home. Good Idea.:p

Digitalism--Moon is a harsh mistress was science Fiction.:D

Its not the big programs, defense spending, or tax cuts that are killing the US. Its all those small riders that add relatively small amounts of money that add up. And lets not forget 25% of all the federal tax collected, just vanishes, and is unaccounted for. These big programs get all the negative press, when they really dont warrant it.

What warrants the attention is stupid spending that gets passed via riders.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: miguel
Let's just hope he waits until the economy picks up before spending more money. From what I've been reading, the economy appears ready to boom soon. If that's the case, the defecit won't be such a big deal.

It's all fake anyway. We should just print the money, distrute it accordingly, and not tax at all.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: miguel
Let's just hope he waits until the economy picks up before spending more money. From what I've been reading, the economy appears ready to boom soon. If that's the case, the defecit won't be such a big deal.

It's all fake anyway. We should just print the money, distrute it accordingly, and not tax at all.

LOL! You commie bastid! :)
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
500 billion not enough debt eh Bushie? Let piss away more money on fuitless pursuits that draw attention away from real issues at home. Good Idea.:p

Digitalism--Moon is a harsh mistress was science Fiction.:D

ummm...the money we have spent on programs such as Apollo have reaped us huge benefits in new technologies and products far in excess of the initial investment. This would be an excellent way to kickstart American industries in a number of areas.
 

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Hey, maybe we can start a new space race with China? First one to set foot on Mars gets a cool prize! :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Zebo
500 billion not enough debt eh Bushie? Let piss away more money on fuitless pursuits that draw attention away from real issues at home. Good Idea.:p

Digitalism--Moon is a harsh mistress was science Fiction.:D

ummm...the money we have spent on programs such as Apollo have reaped us huge benefits in new technologies and products far in excess of the initial investment. This would be an excellent way to kickstart American industries in a number of areas.

I hear that a lot. Have any links which talk about it? Everytime we launch the shuttle run us 1B just in fuel..I'd love to see a return someplace.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Zebo
500 billion not enough debt eh Bushie? Let piss away more money on fuitless pursuits that draw attention away from real issues at home. Good Idea.:p

Digitalism--Moon is a harsh mistress was science Fiction.:D

ummm...the money we have spent on programs such as Apollo have reaped us huge benefits in new technologies and products far in excess of the initial investment. This would be an excellent way to kickstart American industries in a number of areas.

I have to agree with this. In the past, our space program has truly benefited us by the advances in technology and science used to simply get to the moon, as opposed to what we found when we got there (although we did learn quite a bit). When was the last time we landed on an extraterrestrial body? A few decades ago? I think it is about time to get our space program going again for colonies/stations/telescopes/manned landings. And I do think we need to put in the R&D to get past the shuttle system to really get us around the solar system. We won't see the benefits immedeately as you would with more earthbound programs, but it really pays off in the long run.
 

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I hear that a lot. Have any links which talk about it? Everytime we launch the shuttle run us 1B just in fuel..I'd love to see a return someplace.


Are you high? You are wayyyyy off....I dont know where you got that from other than the file that you are sitting on whenever you sit down.
 

rjain

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Actually, the greatest benefit to such programs is when the economy is suffering.

Labor:
When the economy is suffering, projects like these give people jobs.
Since there are many people looking for work, the government has to spend less on these people.

Capital:
By giving the manufacturing industry some orders, it allows them to use any capacity that would have been idle.
Since the manufacturing industry has this excess capacity, there's very little competition on the demand side, keeping the prices low.

Debt:
Since interest rates are low, the government can borrow money cheaply to finance this.

Productivity:
By encouraging research into new engineering methods, it might give us the productivity increases needed to get us out of a recessive cycle.