So the dean searched everyone's backpacks today..

[bootymac]

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[Regs]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I would have refused just for the sake of making a point...

You want to search my bag? Bring in an officer with a warrant and you are welcome too.

Unfortunately, the law sides with the high school. All they need is probable cause and a reasonable explaination. As soon as you step onto school property, your rights as an American law-abiding citizen are checked in at the door.

Protect the innocent, no?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I would have refused just for the sake of making a point...

You want to search my bag? Bring in an officer with a warrant and you are welcome too.

LOL kids are funny. Keep fighting the good fight!

Well, AdamSnow and I both live in Canada, where our rights and freedoms haven't been totally overrun yet.

Still working on that gun thing though. 😛

- M4H

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I would have refused just for the sake of making a point...

You want to search my bag? Bring in an officer with a warrant and you are welcome too.

Unfortunately, the law sides with the high school. All they need is probable cause and proof thereof. As soon as you step onto school property, your rights as an American law-abiding citizen are checked in at the door.

Got to protect the innocent students, no?

No, they dont need probable cause. They need reasonable suspicion and thats all. The two sets of words have entirely different meanings. And you dont lose any rights going to school.

 

[Regs]

Sorry, I always edit my messages.

 

[God On Alcohol]

DRUG SEARCH

 

[MaxDepth]

Kids these days...
😛

 

[Killerme33]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

You are an idiot. You can get anywhere you want without a car, why do you need one. You can walk or ride your bike to school or work, who needs to spend $20,000 on a car anyways. Then you don't have to worry about Grand Theft Auto.

 

[Regs]

yeah....I was thinking the same thing.....

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Who the hell takes a backpack to class in high school?! Nobody ever took a backpack to class at my high school except for a couple of weirdos.

Well they did in my junior high and high school. However there was a rule stating they had to be see through plastic (expensive flimsy POS).
Of course they would also randomly have the dogs walk the halls sniffing lockers during class. One girl got busted for having some prescription only type of Tylonol in her locker and they suspended her. Nevermind that she actually had a prescription and the doctor had ordered her to take them.
On the other side of the coin some hillbilly moron got busted for leaving a 30-06 rifle in the gun rack of his truck :roll:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

I guess that would depend on teh math class eh? if it is a basic algebra a ti-89 is worthless and any teacher allowing it in class should be shot. but if it is a calc class then sure.

 

[montanafan]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: spidey07
Just talked to my SO who works in administration at a high school.

They can search anything with probable cause. The scenario in this post there is probable cause.

On confiscating the cell phones - perfectly fine.

She described it "they don't have any rights when they are on our property"

Actually, the school has some sort of parental responsability over the children that attend. They are legally responsible for juvenilles, and because of that, they can search your lockers/backpacks/etc without probable cause. My high school did random locker searches.

Its not that you dont have any rights, its that you are a child, and the school has a responsability. I forget the exact name.

Here, it's called Portal to Portal. The school acts in the place of the parent from the time you arrive until you leave.

They do have the right to search your personal belongings and even you, but the way it's handled here depends on the situation. If it was a matter of safety, say suspicion that the kid has a gun, they would be searched immediately without being asked. If it was suspicion of theft, as in this case, they would be asked first. If they refused, they would be taken directly to the office and their parent or guardian would be called and told that they had the choice of coming to the school and conducting the search themselves in the presence of the administrator; or, the local police would be called in to conduct the search.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Who the hell takes a backpack to class in high school?! Nobody ever took a backpack to class at my high school except for a couple of weirdos.

Where the hell did you go to high school?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Who the hell takes a backpack to class in high school?! Nobody ever took a backpack to class at my high school except for a couple of weirdos.

Umm...just about everyone that I know does..

Same here... well, when I was in high school...

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: FleshLight
It's HS obviously. Who calls their profs or instructors teachers?

everyone?

 

[TheNinja]

I don't think anyone should ever be able to search my personal items, including my vehicles.

Sincerely,
Nate Newton and Michael Irvin

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Who the hell takes a backpack to class in high school?! Nobody ever took a backpack to class at my high school except for a couple of weirdos.

Where the hell did you go to high school?

East of Cleveland a bit.

You guys have weird high schools. We put all our stuff in our lockers at the beginning of the day, and everyone just carried their books under their arms to class.

 

[envy me]

Hello Dean. You are a stupid head.

 

[mwtgg]

Hmm, I was wrong in my other thread. Penncrest, perhaps?

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Hmm, I was wrong in my other thread. Penncrest, perhaps?

What other thread?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

Math is about understanding the concepts. Doing the arithmetic is simple but time-consuming and error prone. Using a calculator for math isn't just punching a few numbers in and getting a results, you have to 1) know the formulas, 2) know how they work and which one to use, and know which numbers go where.

I took a very basic physics class in college that you'd think would just be a matter of putting numbers in formulas, but it was amazing how much difficulty people had with solving the problems.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

Math is about understanding the concepts. Doing the arithmetic is simple but time-consuming and error prone. Using a calculator for math isn't just punching a few numbers in and getting a results, you have to 1) know the formulas, 2) know how they work and which one to use, and know which numbers go where.

I took a very basic physics class in college that you'd think would just be a matter of putting numbers in formulas, but it was amazing how much difficulty people had with solving the problems.

TI-89 can do everything through calc I for ya. There is no need for one of those in highschool at all.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

I guess that would depend on teh math class eh? if it is a basic algebra a ti-89 is worthless and any teacher allowing it in class should be shot. but if it is a calc class then sure.

I'd still give it a meh for calc. Ti-83s do all you need (almost too much) since the Ti89 does integrals and derivatives (which is cheap).

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The whole issue could have been avoided if schools and teachers would actually take the time to TEACH the appropriate information and skills and make people LEARN how to do things manually (pen & paper) before requiring idiotic gadgets that cost parents rediculous amounts of money (graphing calculators, laptops, etc).

What exactly does it teach when you say "okay, now plug in 2, 5, 27 and 3 into the formula and hit the execute button"?

Nothing. Make the kids know exactly how the formula or function work, teach them how to use it, and spare the unnecessary expense of costly electronics. Then, noone would have to worry about losing a $100 calculator.

Have you seen anything in an average math class? There are formulas that would take way too much time to compute by hand..

And yet basic algebra is too much to ask from the bulk of american youth today, as evident by international educational rankings. Like I said, make them do it by hand first. Once we get past the basics, then we'll worry about the fancier stuff.

Math is about understanding the concepts. Doing the arithmetic is simple but time-consuming and error prone. Using a calculator for math isn't just punching a few numbers in and getting a results, you have to 1) know the formulas, 2) know how they work and which one to use, and know which numbers go where.

I took a very basic physics class in college that you'd think would just be a matter of putting numbers in formulas, but it was amazing how much difficulty people had with solving the problems.

TI-89 can do everything through calc I for ya. There is no need for one of those in highschool at all.

i had one in highschool. so did most of my friends. a lot of kids take calc in highschool.