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So SSD really improve computer performance significantly?

kyrax12

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I heard stories where people replace their HDD to a SSD on their really old laptops and their laptops became faster than newer desktops or something.

How true is it?

Are SSD really that amazing at turning an old computer into a computer that can be potentially faster than newer computers?
 
They speed up disk access. On sequential and large files its about 5x faster than a HDD and on small files its 100x faster or thereabouts. A lot of program loading latency in the desktop is simply caused by the HDD and its this problem an SSD eliminates. Applications load quicker and the OS seems to stutter less when its happening because the IO is resolved quickly. A lot of laptops were shipped with really awful hard drives and so they boot and load programs a lot faster on an SSD.

But it isn't magic, its not going to improve video encoding speed or make it play games it couldn't before. It just speeds up loads from the disk and saves a bit of power in the process.
 
It will feel faster as drive data will no longer be bottlenecked anywhere near as much as it would with a HDD, but obviously it won't make the CPU any faster, the information will just get to the CPU much quicker.
 
It can help but it can't work miracles. I put one in an old celeron 530 laptop and where once it was intolerable to use. It's good for web surfing and basic word processing where before a paper weight.
 
The kind of difference where you're upgrading grandma's computer and you've got a choice between doubling RAM from 1 to 2GB and an SSD and you'd be hard pressed to make the choice. Win7 and 8 can hang with 1GB of RAM but an SSD makes a world of difference.
 
The kind of difference where you're upgrading grandma's computer and you've got a choice between doubling RAM from 1 to 2GB and an SSD and you'd be hard pressed to make the choice. Win7 and 8 can hang with 1GB of RAM but an SSD makes a world of difference.

RAM first, until they have "enough" (for their workload), and then SSD.
 
An SSD speeds up response by an order of magnitude, but doesn't actually add compute power to said PC, so rendering, games and other such tasks could care less about an SSD.

For the average joe and even office use, an SSD and a cheap Celeron would probably be the most cost effective setup in every regard.
 
I'm a member of several computer forums (not using the same user name) and I can tell you that I have seen countless posts on people saying that they have been blown away by the simple SSD upgrade. Personally I can only benefit from SATA II at the moment, but as soon as I build my new machine I will have a faster SSD with SATA III.
 
I'm a member of several computer forums (not using the same user name) and I can tell you that I have seen countless posts on people saying that they have been blown away by the simple SSD upgrade. Personally I can only benefit from SATA II at the moment, but as soon as I build my new machine I will have a faster SSD with SATA III.

Why wait? I still have Sata II and am reaping the rewards of my SSD, with over 100x the speed of 4k read and writes over a HDD. This is what slows hdd's to a crawl, often only 0.2MB/s.

Don't worry so much about maximum throughput, these figures are there to dazzle you but you won't reach them with day to day usage. Max I see outside of benchmarks is less than 100MB/s, unless I'm copying big files from disk to disk but then you are limited by the speed of the slower disk.
 
I put a SSD in my wifes aging Core Duo(yes the original)laptop and it was like a breath of fresh air into the machine. It made the system more responsive and more bearable to use.

It's hard to say how much is attributed to the SSD and how much the system gained from a fresh install of Windows. I will admit that after having a SSD on my desktop and one in my wifes laptop I'll have a hard time going back to HDDs. It really does make a difference.
 
I put a SSD in my wifes aging Core Duo(yes the original)laptop and it was like a breath of fresh air into the machine. It made the system more responsive and more bearable to use.

It's hard to say how much is attributed to the SSD and how much the system gained from a fresh install of Windows. I will admit that after having a SSD on my desktop and one in my wifes laptop I'll have a hard time going back to HDDs. It really does make a difference.

The SSD will still be booting at about the same time a year from now, and performance won't degrade.
 
So about SSD.

So I done a bit of research on the subject matter and basically it is recommended to not fill it up?

So to verify, filling it up can reduce its effectiveness/speed?
 
Tweaking Guide
Installing Windows 7 on your SSD

1)Switch to Storage Setting to AHCI (refer to motherboard's manual)

2)Boot from the Windows 7 DVD

3)When you see the three options related to choosing a language, click Next

4)When you see the window with the big "Install Now" button, click the text below it that says "Repair Your Computer" to provide access to where we need to be

5)You'll see a little window appear named "System Recovery Options" which will immediately search for Windows installations

6)When it finishes, you will see a dialog box. Select "Use recovery tools that can help fix problems starting Windows. Select an operating system to repair." Now highlight the appropriate Windows installation and then click Next.


Start here if you are using your SSD as a Data Drive and Windows is already installed.
-Note: This can be done from a command prompt in windows or with Disk Management if you are using your SSD as a data drive.

7)Click "Command Prompt"

8)Type diskpart to load DiskPart

9)Type list disk

10)Type select disk 0 (or whichever number your SSD gets, the size should tell you which is drive is which)

11)If you want to be sure you have the right one selected, type list partition.

12)Once you know you have the right drive selected, type clean.

13)Type create partition primary align=1024

14)Type format quick fs=ntfs

15)Once its finished, Type active

16) Type list partition to verify the new parition.

17)Type exit

18)Type exit again

19)Click Restart

20)Boot from the DVD again and perform a normal installation using the "Custom (advanced)" type of installation. DO NOT FORMAT THE DRIVE AGAIN!!


My recommended changes in windows for your SSD

The following steps are intended to limit the amount of unnecessary writes to your SSD and also save you some space. Although the TRIM command has increased the life of an SSD dramatically, you may still want to limit the amount of writes to your drive to preserve the NAND cells and keep it running in top shape while saving disk space. This guide will be more beneficial for the anal retentive and SSDs without TRIM.

Verify TRIM is enabled on your SSD
A) Click start and type in cmd and hit the enter key
B) Type in fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify
- DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
- DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

Disable automatic defragmenting
A)Click the Windows start button and type Disk Defrag and hit Enter.
B) Click the Configure Schedule Button.
C)Uncheck the box for Run On a Schedule then click Ok and Close.
D)Never Defrag a Solid State Drive

Disable System Restore (If OS is on SSD) A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click System Protection.
C)Highlight the Drive located on your SSD and click Configure.
D)Click the radio button to Turn Off System Restore, click Ok, and Close

Reduce Page File Size A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click Advanced System Settings.
C)Under the Advanced tab, in the Performance section click Settings…
D)Click the Advanced tab, and under Virtual Memory, Click Change
E)Uncheck Automatically manage paging file size for all drives.
F)Highlight your SSD and underneath it, click the Custom Size radio button.
G)Under Initial size and Maximum size, type in 1024 and then click Set and click OK. You must reboot for this to take effect
Move your temp files to a Mechanical hard drive. (If Users Folder is being used on the SSD)
A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click Advanced System Settings.
C)Under the Advanced tab, in the on the bottom click Environmental Variables…
D)Click on the variable TEMP then click Edit…
E)Under the Variable Value: box, enter in the new path you would like for your temp files, ex. D:\Temp Files\TEMP
F)Click on the variable TMP then click Edit…
G)Under the Variable Value: box, enter in the new path you would like for your temp files, ex. D:\Temp Files\TMP
H)Click Ok and you must reboot for this to take effect.

Disable Hibernation A)Type cmd in the windows start menu search box, then right click on cmd.exe and choose Run as administrator.
B)In the command prompt type in powercfg –h off and hit enter. You must reboot for this to take effect.
Moving or Disabling Memory Dumps (Especially helpful for us overclockers) A) Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties.
B)On the left side of the window, click Advanced System Settings.
C)Under the Advanced tab, in the on the Startup and Recovery box, click Settings…
D)Under the System failure section, you will see Write debugging information and a dropdown box. To disable memory dumbs click the dropdown box and select (none)
E)If you would like to keep memory dumps change the path in the Dump file: box for example; D:\Temp Files\Memory Dumps\MEMORY.DMP
Disable Superfetch (SSDs are Fast enough to disable Superfetch to free up RAM)
a. In the Windows start menu search box, type regedit and hit enter.
b.Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters and you will see a Binary Value called EnablePrefetcher
c.Double click on EnablePrefetcher and change the value from 3 to 0.
d.You must reboot for this to take effect.


Disable Recycling Bin on your SSD
A)Right click on your Recycling Bin and click Properties.
B)Under Settings for selected location you will see a radio button called Don’t move files to the Recycling Bin. Remove files immediately
when deleted
. Click this radio button and click OK.


Enable Write Caching on your SSD
A)Open up your Computer. In Computer, right click on the drive that is your SSD and click Properties.
B)Click on the Hardware tab at the top.
C)Double click on the Disk Drive that is your SSD. Now in the new window click the Policies tab.
D)Under the Write-caching policy box, make sure Enable write caching on this device and Turn off Windows write-cache buffer flushing on the device are both checked. Now click OK and exit.


Disable Indexing on your SSD
A)Open up your Computer. In Computer, right click on the Drive that is your SSD and click Properties.
B)Click on the General tab at the top.
C)At the bottom you will see a box called Allow files on this drive to have contents indexed in addition to file properties, uncheck this box and hit Apply.
D)Make sure the radio button for Apply changes to the drive C:\, subfolders and files is selected and click OK.
E)You will be prompted with a window that says Error Applying Attributes, click Ignore All and it will disable indexing on all files on your SSD, this will take some time.
F)Click OK to close the window.


Disable Reliability Monitor (If OS in on SSD)
A)Type cmd in the windows start menu search box, then right click on cmd.exe and choose Run as administrator.
B)In the command prompt type in:
schtasks.exe /change /disable /tn \Microsoft\Windows\RAC\RacTask and hit enter.
C)If you want to enable reliability monitor run the command:
schtasks.exe /change /enable /tn \Microsoft\Windows\RAC\RacTask and hit enter.
D)If a SUCCESS message comes up after the command is entered then it worked.


I also made a guide to move users off of your OS drive to a different partition/drive For more SSD Tweaks to help reduce useless SSD writes, improve performance, and save more space Here

Web Browser Cache Managing for Chrome, Firefox, and Internet Explorer

Firefox Cache

How to Move Disk Cache Location
A) Open Firefox and in the address bar type about:config and hit enter.
B) Click I'll be careful, I promise! Navigate to browser.cache.disk.capacity and then double click to edit the value. Enter in the amount of disk cache you would like to use for Firefox in Kilobytes. I use 30mb so I enter in 30000 and hit OK.
C) Right click on the web page and choose New then String. In the Preference name box add browser.cache.disk.parent_directory and hit OK. Under the browser.cache.disk.parent_directory box, enter in where your Firefox Cache location will be. I have mine set to S:\Temp Files\Firefox Cache.

How to Disable Disk Cache and Use Ram Cache
A) Open Firefox and in the address bar type about:config and hit enter.
B) Click I'll be careful, I promise! Navigate to browser.cache.disk.enable and then double click to so that it is set to false.
C) Right click on the web page and choose New then String. In the Preference name box add cache.memory.capacity and hit OK. Under cache.memory.capacity, enter in the amount of RAM you would like to use in kilobytes. I use 30mb so you would enter 30000 in the box for that.

Chrome Cache

How to Move Disk Cache Location A) Right click on the desired chrome shortcut and click Properties.
B) Next to the Target: you will see the path for the chrome.exe location; after chrome.exe type in --disk-cache-dir="S:\TempFiles\Chrome Cache"
*NOTE: S:\TempFiles\Chrome Cache is an example, you would enter in where you want the chrome cache to be stored on your computer.​

How Change Disk Cache Size A) Right click on the desired chrome shortcut and click Properties.
B) Next to the Target: you will see the path for the chrome.exe location; after chrome.exe type in --disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1". This will change the maximum cache to 25mb.
*NOTE: If you want to edit Chrome to change the directory and cache size, it would look like this: --disk-cache-dir="S:\TempFiles\Chrome Cache --disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1"​
 
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Will also get some weight savings and extra battery life. They use less energy than a normal drive. The SSDs do not need to be cooled, and they will not be dissipating any heat into the system to tax the laptop cooling system. Some old laptops use proprietary batteries, and you may not be able to replace some of them, so the SSD will keep the laptop running longer on each charge, and extend the cycle life of the battery.

The SSD's are like over sized flash drives. They are extremely light. If you mail order one, it will probably come in a bubble wrapped envelope, that's all it would need.
 
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Installing Windows 7 on your SSD
1)Switch to Storage Setting to AHCI (refer to motherboard's manual)
2)Boot from the Windows 7 DVD
3)When you see the three options related to choosing a language, click Next
4)When you see the window with the big "Install Now" button, click it.
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Fixed that for you. Whoever wrote that clearly never checked to see what Windows' installer does.

You choose advanced (for a new install) at the first prompt, then basically keep clicking next. That's all. No command prompt BS needed. Windows automatically aligns large partitions (check your HDD partition alignment, FI--it should be 1MB, even if it's not an AF drive), and will align small partitions if it detects an SSD. With 100GB+ SSDs being typical, it will correctly align the partition even if it thinks it's a 512B HDD.

It's not a bad idea, though, to check TRIM and especially defragging. Some people have found Windows to want to defrag the occasional SSD (a rarity, but it seems to happen), so making sure it's not planning to is not a bad idea.

Indexing can be left alone, generally, but it won't hurt to remove indexed locations, either. It's very helpful to do for an HDD, however, if you use Explorer a lot.

Disable Superfetch (SSDs are Fast enough to disable Superfetch to free up RAM)
a. In the Windows start menu search box, type regedit and hit enter.
b.Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters and you will see a Binary Value called EnablePrefetcher
c.Double click on EnablePrefetcher and change the value from 3 to 0.
d.You must reboot for this to take effect.
😵 Dude...you go to Services, find the one named "Superfetch", and disable it. You can even stop it right then and there.

There is also no good reason to disable system restore, change page file settings, or any of the rest of that, for an SSD. System restores are sometimes useful, and they're fast to create on an SSD. They are especially useful if something bad happens during the processing of a major Windows update.

The page file will not act like it is supposed to if made too small, and having it on your SSD will make access to it faster, which was part of why you want to have an SSD in the first place. Disabling it, with enough RAM, is OK. Making it well-sized just for a dump is OK. Moving it to an HDD is an act of stupidity. You're wasting your SSD by doing that.

Browser caches and such should be left alone, with an SSD disk, or disabled regardless of disk, if you've got the RAM to spare. The whole point of having an SSD is to have files like your browser's DBs and caches, access to which can slow your computer down on a human-relevant time-scale, on faster storage than a spindle! Spending extra money on an SSD, and then not using it? Height of stupidity, that.

Temp files would depend on how big they get, between cleanings, relative to your SSDs size. If not too big, leave them alone. If they grow a lot with programs you use, maybe move them.

Whoever wrote that guide, heed nothing they have ever said. Some of it is fine, but too much of it is wasteful crap or bad advice.
 
I heard stories where people replace their HDD to a SSD on their really old laptops and their laptops became faster than newer desktops or something.

How true is it?

Are SSD really that amazing at turning an old computer into a computer that can be potentially faster than newer computers?

I have an HP DV9207us laptop from 2007.
It has a T2250, 1.7 core duo (original core duo, not core 2 duo) and a 7600gt (Of crappy solder die an early death fame) with a maximum of 2gb ram
It came with a 5400 120gb hdd and windows Vista
I used it for about a year and then couldn't take the crappy battery life and slow performance anymore so I put it on the shelf and maybe booted up once a month. Then my wife started using it and had to suffer with it.
It suuuuuuuuucked. It was painfully sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.


At one point I loaded up windows 7 on it and it helped it a smidge but at that point it was still slow and creaky with that hard drive

I eventually popped a Samsung 830 drive .
Completely changed the laptop. Battery life improved. Its responsive.
Its more responsive for daily usage than my sisters i3 laptop (equipped with hdd).
It turned a slow laptop from 2007 into something thats usable. Runs office 2010. We use it for web\office type stuff and the user experience doing that is not much different than any other modern mass market i3 class laptop.
 
I put a SSD in my wifes aging Core Duo(yes the original)laptop and it was like a breath of fresh air into the machine. It made the system more responsive and more bearable to use.

Did almost the same--installed a 256MB Samsung 830 in her old (2008) HP Core 2 Duo laptop and cloned the original drive (WD Black 320GB). It made a huge difference--she can't believe how fast it is.

Now if I could just get her to upgrade from Windows Vista . . .
 
RAM first, until they have "enough" (for their workload), and then SSD.
Workload being the keyword, most people I know do Facebook and YouTube all day and if they're still running expensive DDR2 I'll put that towards an SSD which makes a far larger difference overall not just in multitasking
 
"Faster" is a bit of a general term. All the parts of a system work together. Some programs or applications stress different aspects of a system. If the HD is a big bottleneck than getting an SSD will be a big improvement but if something else is the bottleneck an SSD is not going be much help.

An SSD will help a bunch with booting and with the initial launch of an application and that is about it. It will help a bit for applications that make regular loads (or stores) from/to the HDD.

An SSD will not help if you have a slow internet connection. An SSD will be no help at all for applications that run in RAM and stress the CPU or GPU.

An SSD will help if you are short on RAM and run in virtual memory but it is better to get more RAM than to get an SSD in this case...
 
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If $90 isn't a lot to spend for a system upgrade than an SSD is a great upgrade.

If $90 is a lot of money you might try other options like running a more efficient OS, like Puppy Linux. Puppy is small, fast and free. Puppy runs in RAM so there is no HD lag which makes Puppy very responsive, kinda like having an SSD. I call Puppy the "poor man's SSD".
 
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