So, seriously, when will California finally break??? (New $2B bond axed).....

[Fear No Evil]

But that's just silly. I've heard, and not being a Muslim myself, I can't say for sure, but even in that religion so many think of a backward, there is a provision that folk give 2% to charity, but only, only, I repeat, if they can afford it and have met their own actual personal needs. There is no such moral obligation to give what you do not have. Even a Christian, I think, will give you his shirt if you ask, and add his coat as a further gesture, but I don't recall anything about having to go out first and charge a coat on Visa. You, yourself may give more than you earn, but then, well, you could also be stupid.

I don't believe he said anything about charity. This is about the progressive wet dream of wealth distribution. Try to keep up.

 

[Mursilis]

But that's just silly. I've heard, and not being a Muslim myself, I can't say for sure, but even in that religion so many think of a backward, there is a provision that folk give 2% to charity, but only, only, I repeat, if they can afford it and have met their own actual personal needs.

2%? That's all a Muslim has to give? Christian churches usually expect 10%, which is more, but still less than most gov'ts demand. I have no idea what an observant Jew is expected to donate to their synagogue. Regardless, neither the iman, pastor, nor rabbi can demand any percentage; they can merely request it, unlike the IRS.

 

[sandorski]

Have I mentioned you continue posting dishonest idiocy lately? Oh ya, a couple minutes ago in my last post to another of your posts in another thread.

You don't mention the big problems at all from Republicans here, from their Prop 13 cutting off of taxes to balance the budget to the 1/3 of Republican in the Legislature having a veto over ANY new tax and pledging to pass zero. I think dishonest idiocy fits the post you made quite well. As for the topic you do mention, California like other blue states does indeed pay more in federal taxes while getting less in return compared to red states, in part because the constitution had the Senate very unbalanced to favor low-population states which tend to be Republican, with each Californian getting 1/50 the representation of some Repubs.

This. Tyranny of the Minority. California's Constitution is set up in such a way as to have the cake and eat it too. If, and it appears to be the case, the Voters have over extended their ability to Pay for what they want, the best way to Know is to have Taxes Raised to meet the Demands they are making. Without that side of the Equation, they keep adding more Cost blissfully unaware of the Cost of what they Demand. Think of it as simple Supply/Demand, except without and concept of what the Supply is.

The idea behind it isn't completely bad, as it was to limit the Government's ability to add Cost. However, if the Government is not the Driver of increased Cost, it fucks everything up because the Driver(the Voter) is never asked to bear the Cost. That's not Fiscal Conservatism, it is simple Fiscal Fail.

 

[Budmantom]

I eagerly await the downfall of the Liberal Mascot.

This is Obama's blueprint, this is his plan for the rest of the country.

 

[soccerballtux]

I eagerly await the downfall of the Liberal Mascot.

This is Obama's blueprint, this is his plan for the rest of the country.

I know

 

[sandorski]

I know

lol, wish I had bought Tinfoil Futures.

 

[Fern]

If Nebraska can get a break on healthcare, maybe California can get a break on transfer payments to the red states. This reminds me of New York City's crisis in the 70s when folks were wagging their fingers at NYC, ignoring that NYC residents paid out far more in state and federal taxes than they got back in state and federal services, subsidizing the finger waggers.

^This is a persistant myth perpetuated by the 'Blue Staters'.

No one can tell how much businesses of any state pay to the feds. The data doesn't exist.

An example: IBM's HQ is located in Arrmonk New York. So thats their address on their corporate tax return and 100% of their income taxes are credited to NY.

However, IMB has facilities in FL, NC,and AZ etc where they ACTUALLY make products/money that generate profits resulting in income tax revenue to the fed gov. Yet these states are not credited for that.

It's the same for most other large corporations.

Heck, if instead of going by the HQ's address on the tax return you went by the state of incorporation, it would look like Delaware was funding the entire USA.

Stupid Lib talking point based on clearly erroneous data.

Fern

 

[Jaskalas]

Stupid Lib talking point based on clearly erroneous data.

Remove California from the Union. Problem solved.

 

[theeedude]

CA should go bankrupt and get our nice fat bailout from the Feds. We are too big to fail

 

[Elias824]

We should just pay cali to start taking all the nuclear waste, and trash from the rest of the country to balance their budget.

 

[Red Dawn]

We should just pay cali to start taking all the nuclear waste, and trash from the rest of the country to balance their budget.

What and turn it into Texas?

 

[MotF Bane]

Have I mentioned you continue posting dishonest idiocy lately? Oh ya, a couple minutes ago in my last post to another of your posts in another thread.

You don't mention the big problems at all from Republicans here, from their Prop 13 cutting off of taxes to balance the budget to the 1/3 of Republican in the Legislature having a veto over ANY new tax and pledging to pass zero. I think dishonest idiocy fits the post you made quite well. As for the topic you do mention, California like other blue states does indeed pay more in federal taxes while getting less in return compared to red states, in part because the constitution had the Senate very unbalanced to favor low-population states which tend to be Republican, with each Californian getting 1/50 the representation of some Repubs.

LOL. Not only do you still only see it as the fault of Republicans, and see nothing wrong with perpetually increasing spending, the bolded is just a work of sheer brilliance, even by your standards.

 

[theeedude]

Should I remind people that the Republican controlled Orange county went bankrupt in the 90s?

 

[Mursilis]

Should I remind people that the Republican controlled Orange county went bankrupt in the 90s?

There's a Republican in Cali? I thought he moved.

 

[ElFenix]

As for the topic you do mention, California like other blue states does indeed pay more in federal taxes while getting less in return compared to red states, in part because the constitution had the Senate very unbalanced to favor low-population states which tend to be Republican, with each Californian getting 1/50 the representation of some Repubs.

i just took a look at all the states that are smaller than my county, and the total is 28 senators who caucus with the dems and 20 senators who caucus with the republicans.

in fact, of the 10 smallest states, there are all of 5 republicans.

edit: n/m don't want to go down that road.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
But that's just silly. I've heard, and not being a Muslim myself, I can't say for sure, but even in that religion so many think of a backward, there is a provision that folk give 2% to charity, but only, only, I repeat, if they can afford it and have met their own actual personal needs. There is no such moral obligation to give what you do not have. Even a Christian, I think, will give you his shirt if you ask, and add his coat as a further gesture, but I don't recall anything about having to go out first and charge a coat on Visa. You, yourself may give more than you earn, but then, well, you could also be stupid.

I don't believe he said anything about charity. This is about the progressive wet dream of wealth distribution. Try to keep up.

Ah but it all began as follows:

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"Quote:
Originally Posted by IronWing
If Nebraska can get a break on healthcare, maybe California can get a break on transfer payments to the red states. This reminds me of New York City's crisis in the 70s when folks were wagging their fingers at NYC, ignoring that NYC residents paid out far more in state and federal taxes than they got back in state and federal services, subsidizing the finger waggers."

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So California, the bastion of such wet dreams as wealth distribution, and where their own wealth is being given to others with less. It's just that little serpents like you like to hiss when we get in trouble and re prioritize our charitable giving. As folk that are morally superior to you we have no obligation to be so at all. We are just that way because we are superior. Some day, if you ever feel rich inwardly, as opposed to having money, you will understand how we feel. Homo Californicus, as it happens, is the most advanced human on earth. We are the future and our past is more and more rapidly becoming your present. We are the Borg.

 

[boomerang]

ProgressivusHeadupassis

 

[ericlp]

If California goes then Oregon is right behind it.

 

[BoberFett]

Orewho?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Excuses, excuses by the left who do not want to address the issue of a CA's state lib dominated legislators not working within the means of a budget and sticking to it. Anyone asserting that somehow federal taxes are the reason behind CA's current budgetary woes is nothing more then a left wing hack. Those "payments to red states" were/are not the reason behind the sinking the state. You have to really be grasping at straws in a dishonest manner to make that assertion.

You mean like the conservative run federal government during the last 8 years?

 

[Zebo]

Way too many deadbeats and not enough producers. People like my mom for example, a retired UCI professor, getting $140K per year from calpers and she probably has 30-40 years left god willing. There are millions like her from cops to prison guards to teachers. Unsustainable.

By definition if you take out more than you contribute you are a liability - deadbeats are another whole subset of liabilities who contribute absolutely nothing but take from the system - school children, state retirees and prisoners for example - issues California will need to address to fiscal responsibility since they make up the most spending.

 

[MotF Bane]

You mean like the conservative run federal government during the last 8 years?

So how about a change to a responsible government, instead of holding each successive group of politicians to the previous lowest standard?

 

[jhu]

Way too many deadbeats and not enough producers. People like my mom for example, a retired UCI professor, getting $140K per year from calpers and she probably has 30-40 years left god willing. There are millions like her from cops to prison guards to teachers. Unsustainable.

By definition if you take out more than you contribute you are a liability - deadbeats are another whole subset of liabilities who contribute absolutely nothing but take from the system - school children, state retirees and prisoners for example - issues California will need to address to fiscal responsibility since they make up the most spending.

Damn those school children!

 

[JSt0rm]

I eagerly await the downfall of the Liberal Mascot.

As a Californian hearing that I just want to say I hope wherever your live things go very well and the people in your state do not suffer even if all of them are as big a bunch of puss sacks as you are.

As a Californian I would also like to wish the people of your state a good year and I hope things will look up. On the bright side please accept our tax dollars as we understand that inbreeding, chemical plants and strip mining of the country side has left your kind slow.

 

[soccerballtux]

"California’s Assembly passed a bill allowing it to delay payments to programs including schools to avoid running out of cash, a move aimed at boosting confidence in bonds sold by the most-populous U.S. state."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=a3dJI15y0hIE

lol. Boost confidence.