Originally posted by: coldpower27
Originally posted by: tuteja1986
"If it wasn't for ATI you wouldn't have been seen out cry for higher quaility AF and also new AA modes. Also The only richer feature that 6800U had was a Shader 3.0 which meant crap since shader 3.0 were suppose to run more efficent and faster than Shader 2.0. But if you looked at Farcry benchmark it will tell how much Shader 3.0 actually mattered."
"Even if ATI has bang for buck GPU they don't sell no where as good as inferior GPU from NVIDIA. "
Numbers please??
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Shader Model 3.0 and OpenEXR HDR, not to mention SLI technology, meaning Nvidia had the overall speed crown as well as the feature set crown. Quite impressive coming from the Geforce FX generation.
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SLI is an idea originally from 3dfx, they do not have the overall speed crown against the X800 series, since their debut they always lagged behind in most DX games while it won in OpenGL games which are not that much. Indeed an impressive coming from the FX generation.
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"In the FarCry benchmarks Nvidia actually gained more using Shader Model 3.0 then ATI did using Pixel Shader 2.0b, thanks to ATI resources were implemented on a pathway that is only used by 1 generation of ATI hardware a complete waste, Nvidia's work is the default Shader Model 3.0 implementation allowing X1K users to enjoy far more Shader Model 3.0 games then wouldn't have existed as quickly if Nvidia hadn't launched Shader Model 3.0 capable hardware more then a year ago from when X1800 launched."
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Actually, Radeon X800XT PE using SM2.0b always outperformed nVidia's SM3.0 path by a significant margin. Even though the SM3.0 path increased the performance on the 6800 Ultra, was never able to catch up. After all, SM2.0b is just a SM3.0 without dynamic branching and vertex texture fetch. Both has the native 512 hardware pixel shader instructions per component, but the dynamic branching used in SM3.0 increases the shader lenght and performance, WHEN PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED!! nVidia poor SM3.0 implementation on the 6800 Ultra is what it makes this card runs so slow in newer games where the X850XT still getting playable framerates using high quality setting on standard resolutions like 1280x1024, sometimes at higher resolutions. And that only 1 generation of card lasted as long as the 6800 series, and still able to offer performance which the 6800 series cannot touch.
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"Nvidia's and ATI's AA quality are comparable for modes like 2x/4x MSAA while Nvidia retains an edge when they are able to use SSAA to bring higher image quality. Nvidia was the one that introduced Transparency AA, so they have their own improvements to AA."
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You need to update yourself, ATi's introduced with the X1800 series an anti aliasing method called Adaptive Anti Aliasing which uses a combination of Super sampling on Alpha textures and Multi Sampling on the rest of the scenes, even before the debut of that card, it was unofficially available for the X850 users and below. Even though the Super Sampling quality on nVidia is a bit better than on any Radeon, the gamma corrected multi sampling is slighly higher than on nVidia.
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"ATI was the one who introduced the 45 Degree Angle dependent AF stuff leading Nvidia down the path to performance oriented AF, this is not impressive to me, the X1K only fixed this back to the norm of 90 Degree and Nvidia took it a step above that with the near perfect AF of the 8 Series."
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Actually the GeForce 4 series also uses similar techiques of AF, and probably even older cards, the Radeon 8500 had a bad implemented AF which relied only on Bilinear filtering. X1800 series compared to the 7 series of card, was an impressive image quality gain, the only card that used to do that type of angle independent AF (lower quality of course) was the FX 5800 and it was turned off due to it's horrible impact in performance, it's been a while.
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