So Republicans in congress wish to defund the FDA?...

[Lanyap]

Same old song and dance. De-fund the FDA, EPA, SEC, FBI, CDC and the rest, then bitch because they can't do the job, offer that they really just need to be eliminated instead.

They're all obviously "anti-bidness", anyway. There's a fortune to be made in innovative cosmetic & medicinal products, just like innovative financial products, too...

So where do you makes cuts in the budget? Government regulations can be added for just about anything to make things "better". Where do you stop when you don't have the money to fund it?

 

[Lithium381]

DOes the FDA actually do anything or is it like "law enforcement" that shows up to your house after your family has been murdered and just write reports about it?

 

[DaveSimmons]

DOes the FDA actually do anything or is it like "law enforcement" that shows up to your house after your family has been murdered and just write reports about it?

Right, police never stop crimes or arrest criminals, they just write reports about what crimes have been committed. Same with firefighters: "this week, houses burned down on 12rh, 21st and 32nd avenues, one cat died after being trapped in a tree for six weeks, ...."

If states can de-fund their police and firefighters, budget problems will disappear!


< /sarcasm >

 

[Nemesis 1]

That darn useless FDA... who needs em? 😀

FDA: Moldy applesauce repackaged by school lunch supplier



http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...pplesauce-repackaged-by-school-lunch-supplier

You can't make this stuff up.... The quotes:





Now it gets even more crazy...



oh.... Ok..... 😀


Oooh... Sound yummy Mr Cantor? Mr Boehner?



And.... The grand Finale...



Remember... vote republican in 2012... 😀 😀 😀
(and avoid applesauce, water, breathing, food, and basically ever going outside)

Oh just stop I told ya about this along time ago. Most the inspectors are on the take . You don't believe get a tv crew and lets go into one of these processing plants after cleanup and inspection . The people working in this industry are worthless

 

[Jhhnn]

So where do you makes cuts in the budget? Government regulations can be added for just about anything to make things "better". Where do you stop when you don't have the money to fund it?

Cut, cut, cut! It's the Repub answer to all fiscal issues, except when they're running things, and then deficits don't matter. What really matters is maintaining the serial tax cuts for the wealthy, the "Job Creators", tax cuts that don't work, tax cuts that have delivered only deficits, year after year of Repub control of the govt.

Tell you what- raise taxes to a level consistent with other first world nations, particularly on our highest "earners", and we'll talk about cutting vital services and agencies afterwards.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The election of 2012 that never takes place.

 

[Matt1970]

So let me get this straight. Mold was found in 2009 in shipped product, the company comissioned its own report, and at the end of 2011 the FDA is finally addressing concerns? The FDA does what exactly? Clearly didnt prevent this and clearly didnt address it until after the company did its own report nearly 2 years later.

I am not against the FDA, but the blind faith many people have in it is absurd. The OP's own link shows how the FDA did nothing to prevent this situation. And its investigation took nearly 2 years to even send a warning letter.

That's about right for the FDA. If there was a magical cure for cancer developed today there would be a 2 year wait till the FDA approved it. Defund it ? No. Overhaul it? Yes.

 

[cubby1223]

That darn useless FDA... who needs em? 😀

So what you are saying is, no one can do anything to insure the quality of food without the FDA's leadership?


If you cannot trust the person at the school who is serving the food to the children to care about the quality, what chance do you have trusting a government inspector?

 

[Craig234]

DOes the FDA actually do anything or is it like "law enforcement" that shows up to your house after your family has been murdered and just write reports about it?

What idiocy. What are they supposed to do, sit outside your house and shoot anyone who comes by in case they might kill you? Get rid of police, that'll solve the problem!

 

[Darwin333]

Totally why they want to stop the TSA then, right?

Yeah, no...

The sole reason that the TSA was started was to limit the liability of the airlines (big business) so it actually is increasing (more accurately, protecting) their profits.

 

[Bitek]

DOes the FDA actually do anything or is it like "law enforcement" that shows up to your house after your family has been murdered and just write reports about it?

DOes the FDA actually do anything or is it like "law enforcement" that shows up to your house after your family has been murdered and just write reports about it?

The FDA has two main functions.

1.) Write regulations that manufactures are legally compelled to comply with in order to receive permission to sell products which the FDA has jurisdiction over

2.) Conduct periodic inspections of licensed manufactures to assess compliance to regulations

Depending on the inspection findings, the FDA has the legal authority to order a manufacturer to correct non-compliant processes and practices, and in more extreme circumstances, prohibit the manufacturer from selling product in the US and even arrest and press legal charges against company officers for breech of legal regulations (ie laws.)

483's (the original Inspection Report findings of non-compliance) are serious, but not uncommon. They list the non-conformances and the company has a limited amount of time to respond (eg 30 days) and implement corrective actions. It is up to the company to propose and commit to the CA's. The FDA will follow up and assess the proposals and their implementation.

A Warning Letter is far more serious. It comes after a history of non-compliances (483's) or very serious non-compliances, or failure to properly correct deficiencies. Its a "get your shit together fast or we're coming to shut you down" letter.

Failure to implement lasting corrective action for these violations may result in regulatory action being initiated by FDA without further notice. For example, we may take further action to seize your products and/or enjoin your firm from operating.

That's where this company is at. Deep F'ing shit, and if you know how to read this letter, its unlikely they will be able to correct all their issues in time. Their deficiencies are deep and serious and they seem incompetent to correct them. They look headed for a Consent Decree and may lose their licence. This has destroyed companies before, and you can bet there are heads rolling at the firm (there should be..)

 

[Ausm]

Cut, cut, cut! It's the Repub answer to all fiscal issues, except when they're running things, and then deficits don't matter. What really matters is maintaining the serial tax cuts for the wealthy, the "Job Creators", tax cuts that don't work, tax cuts that have delivered only deficits, year after year of Repub control of the govt.

Tell you what- raise taxes to a level consistent with other first world nations, particularly on our highest "earners", and we'll talk about cutting vital services and agencies afterwards.

This shitty Economy is the best thing that has happened for the Republicants since sliced bread.

It gives them free reign to jam their extreme Right Wing Ideology down our throats.

Yes, I feel much better after getting this off my chest. 😉

 

[Matt1970]

This shitty Economy is the best thing that has happened for the Republicants since sliced bread.

It gives them free reign to jam their extreme Right Wing Ideology down our throats.

Yes, I feel much better after getting this off my chest. 😉

Except it is the other way around.

 

[Ausm]

Except it is the other way around.

How so?

 

[Matt1970]

How so?

Massive spending budgets, Stimulus, Universal Healthcare, Taxing the rich, Bailouts, Cap and Tax, etc, etc, etc,

The Republicans aren’t much better though.

 

[Ausm]

Massive spending budgets, Stimulus, Universal Healthcare, Taxing the rich, Bailouts, Cap and Tax, etc, etc, etc,

The Republicans aren’t much better though.

That is an understatement but I am pleased you included that. 😉

 

[Modelworks]

I rather see the EPA defunded and allow cities to sue companies that destroy the habitat as they see fit.

for example news last night, "We are considering building another plant here, which will add xxxx jobs, but we need to get the environmental impact study done, which shouldn't take more than 10 -15 years, then we expect to have it constructed in 2 years after that"

10 + years to study the impact ?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Real Fair Honest Question . What does A big Mac cost right now today in New YORK city . Anyone .

 

[Jhhnn]

I rather see the EPA defunded and allow cities to sue companies that destroy the habitat as they see fit.

for example news last night, "We are considering building another plant here, which will add xxxx jobs, but we need to get the environmental impact study done, which shouldn't take more than 10 -15 years, then we expect to have it constructed in 2 years after that"

10 + years to study the impact ?

You're beyond lame. My state, Colorado, sits at the head of all the major western watersheds, so we can easily afford to dump our shit into the rivers, let the people downstream cope with it. Which is what happened for many decades, prior to the EPA. Hell, we've only recently succeeded in forcing Colorado Springs to properly treat sewage that their wingnut community dumps into the fountain river, a tributary of the Arkansas. We still have problems wrt remediation from mining activities from 100 years ago, and from a mining disaster in the Alamosa river created by a Canadian mining Co.

If we want faster results wrt environmental impact studies, we need to increase funding for the EPA, not cut it so that work is reduced to a trickle of what's needed.

Your thinking typifies what the ongoing campaign of libertopian propaganda from the Koch Bros et al has achieved in this country- blind stupidity in obesiance to their wealth & power.

 

[nageov3t]

which lawmakers are calling for closing down the FDA?

 

[Matt1970]

That is an understatement but I am pleased you included that. 😉

I am not going to give anyone a free pass.

 

[BansheeX]

So let me get this straight:

- Company sells moldy sauce it knew was moldy, sickening children.
- FDA can't prevent it because it would take trillions of dollars a year to run tests on every package of food before it ships, obviously a more harmful cost than the occasional food poisoning.
- The parents whose children were sickened by a misrepresented product can sue for damages, costing the company far more than it saved by shipping the moldy sauce.

Am I missing something here? Where in this did it become profitable for this company to sell a faulty product? The FDA does not dissuade such activity any more than the free market does. They are a totally ineffective agency.

 

[Jhhnn]

So let me get this straight:

- Company sells moldy sauce it knew was moldy, sickening children.
- FDA can't prevent it because it would take trillions of dollars a year to run tests on every package of food before it ships, obviously a more harmful cost than the occasional food poisoning.
- The parents whose children were sickened by a misrepresented product can sue for damages, costing the company far more than it saved by shipping the moldy sauce.

Am I missing something here? Where in this did it become profitable for this company to sell a faulty product? The FDA does not dissuade such activity any more than the free market does. They are a totally ineffective agency.

You're utterly lame as well in your libertopian fantasy. The FDA inspects & monitors food processing plants, particularly meat packing plants, all over the country, keeping operators honest who might not otherwise be. They do a lot of other stuff, as well, in an attempt to serve the interests of the public rather than the interests of profit. In general, they do it rather well, if imperfectly.

Educate yourself, numbnuts-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration

 

[Nemesis 1]

I have a friend who is going to use phone to take pics . after a cleanup and inspection . I will show you your living in make believe world .

Any way . In my town I pay the exact same price as the people in NYC for a BIG MAC / What do the employees in NYC make an hour comparred to my town , I dam sick and tired of paying for your food. Justice will be served and its not a meal your gonna like paying for .

 

[BansheeX]

You're utterly lame as well in your libertopian fantasy. The FDA inspects & monitors food processing plants, particularly meat packing plants, all over the country, keeping operators honest who might not otherwise be. They do a lot of other stuff, as well, in an attempt to serve the interests of the public rather than the interests of profit. In general, they do it rather well, if imperfectly.

Educate yourself, numbnuts-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration

I'm utopian? Your naive agency of unregulated regulators is in the business of selling approvals and anti-competitive bans to the highest bidder. I'm a diabetic who uses Stevia, I should know how greedy and anti-consumer these retards are. They also don't prevent jack shit in the way of e.coli outbreaks and such, that's a laughably impossible task. I'll trust my own fucking decisions and sue anyone who misrepresents their product.