Originally posted by: flavio
Anyone ever come up with a good reason for voting yes on that?
Originally posted by: ElFenix
what is prop 54?
Originally posted by: ElFenix
what is prop 54?
Summary Prepared by the State Attorney General:
Amends Constitution to prohibit state and local governments from using race, ethnicity, color, or national origin to classify current or prospective students, contractors or employees in public educationk,contracting, or employment operations. Does not prohibit classification by sex.
Prohibition also covers persons subject to other operations of government unless Legislature finds compelling state interest, authorizes by two-thirds of each house, and Governor approves.
"Classifying" defined as separating, sorting, or organizing persons of personal data. Exemptions include: law enforcement descriptions, prisoner and undercover assignments; actions taken to maintain federal funding.
Funny, I'd think it hard to find reasons to have voted no...Originally posted by: flavio
Anyone ever come up with a good reason for voting yes on that?
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Funny, I'd think it hard to find reasons to have voted no...Originally posted by: flavio
Anyone ever come up with a good reason for voting yes on that?
I, for one, would love to return four years from now to a state that didn't care about race...
Originally posted by: Lucky
because the state should treat each of it's citizens equally when it comes to race, and it's clear that california cannot accomplish that without some help. It's a shame it got defeated, I've been looking for reasons why someone would have voted no. They want to keep their newfound advantages, I assume.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: ElFenix
what is prop 54?
That would be proposition 54, ELFenix.
Originally posted by: Linflas
So it was bad to collect race data in the south to use against blacks but it is ok to collect race data today to use against whites? Sorry double standards just baffle me.
Prop 54 would make it illegal for health professionals to collect data about race or ethnic origin to provide appropriate test for patients. Diseases like Sickle Cell and Tay-Sachs affect people of specific ethnic origins so doctors need to do targeted testing.
Originally posted by: Dezign
Originally posted by: Linflas
So it was bad to collect race data in the south to use against blacks but it is ok to collect race data today to use against whites? Sorry double standards just baffle me.
And your lack of reading comprehension baffles me.
Example:
Prop 54 would make it illegal for health professionals to collect data about race or ethnic origin to provide appropriate test for patients. Diseases like Sickle Cell and Tay-Sachs affect people of specific ethnic origins so doctors need to do targeted testing.
Summary Prepared by the State Attorney General:
Amends Constitution to prohibit state and local governments from using race, ethnicity, color, or national origin to classify current or prospective students, contractors or employees in public educationk,contracting, or employment operations. Does not prohibit classification by sex.
Prohibition also covers persons subject to other operations of government unless Legislature finds compelling state interest, authorizes by two-thirds of each house, and Governor approves.
"Classifying" defined as separating, sorting, or organizing persons of personal data. Exemptions include: law enforcement descriptions, prisoner and undercover assignments; actions taken to maintain federal funding.
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Funny, I'd think it hard to find reasons to have voted no...Originally posted by: flavio
Anyone ever come up with a good reason for voting yes on that?
I, for one, would love to return four years from now to a state that didn't care about race...
Prop 54 would make it illegal for health professionals to collect data about race or ethnic origin to provide appropriate test for patients. Diseases like Sickle Cell and Tay-Sachs affect people of specific ethnic origins so doctors need to do targeted testing.
It also contains a section which allows the police to use racial information to solve crimes, but keeps the state from collecting racial profiling data. Nice eh?
You can find some more reasons here:
Eliminates public health efforts that save lives, undermines accountability in school reform, hinders law enforcement efforts, and wipes out civil rights enforcement.
Originally posted by: Dezign
Originally posted by: Linflas
So it was bad to collect race data in the south to use against blacks but it is ok to collect race data today to use against whites? Sorry double standards just baffle me.
And your lack of reading comprehension baffles me.
Example:
Prop 54 would make it illegal for health professionals to collect data about race or ethnic origin to provide appropriate test for patients. Diseases like Sickle Cell and Tay-Sachs affect people of specific ethnic origins so doctors need to do targeted testing.
But Diane Schachterle, Connerly's campaign coordinator, said Proposition 54 is not meant to interfere with any health-related issue. The analysis supports that view, she said.
"Although it's not definitive, their best analysis is that, for all intents and purposes, medical data collection will continue," she said.
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Funny, I'd think it hard to find reasons to have voted no...Originally posted by: flavio
Anyone ever come up with a good reason for voting yes on that?
I, for one, would love to return four years from now to a state that didn't care about race...
Prop 54 would make it illegal for health professionals to collect data about race or ethnic origin to provide appropriate test for patients. Diseases like Sickle Cell and Tay-Sachs affect people of specific ethnic origins so doctors need to do targeted testing.
It also contains a section which allows the police to use racial information to solve crimes, but keeps the state from collecting racial profiling data. Nice eh?
You can find some more reasons here:
Eliminates public health efforts that save lives, undermines accountability in school reform, hinders law enforcement efforts, and wipes out civil rights enforcement.
Who tricked you into thinking this was good?
Originally posted by: sandorski
Maybe I missed something, but this Proposition only seeks to eliminate the collection of Race based data? It does not address the issue of How the data is to be used?
If the answers to both questions is "Yes", then I don't see how it contributes anything towards a "colour blind society", it seems to contribute to a willful ignorance of potential Racial Issues though.
Oh good, then we can use skin color to direct funds to change their attitude.Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: sandorski
Maybe I missed something, but this Proposition only seeks to eliminate the collection of Race based data? It does not address the issue of How the data is to be used?
If the answers to both questions is "Yes", then I don't see how it contributes anything towards a "colour blind society", it seems to contribute to a willful ignorance of potential Racial Issues though.
Gathering racial data CREATES racial issues.
Hispanics and blacks make less money for the same reason many whites and asians make little money...because they come from households which encourage underachieving. Let's stop saying poverty is a racial issue and start looking at the REAL problems and causes of poverty. As it is, blacks are being told they're poor because they're black. Why the HELL would they try to better their situation when they're being told that changing their income level is about as easy as changing their skin color?