So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...

[ericlp]

hmmm, you mean bush in a skirt?

When's PJ gonna chime in?

McCain could have had a chance if he picked a smart person as VP, but he's a total fool for picking her. I would have done much better picking hillary.

 

[MaxisOne]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: techs
I probably should have put something in the post about comparing Obama's choice of Biden to Mccains choice of Palin.
I think Obama scored HUGE points with what is perceived by Americans as his choice of a qualified person and McCains choice of a flippin moron.
I think it reminded people of Bushes choices like "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" and further associated McCain with Bush.

I thought Biden was a awful choice at the time Obama named him. I thought Obama would have done much better to pick Janet Napolitano or Richards. When the Palin selection was announced I thought McCain had the election wrapped up as long as there wasn't anything truly horrific in Palin's past. Boy was I wrong. Once Palin opened her mouth the sun shone again (through her ears).

LOL !!!!

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: MaxisOne

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: techs
I probably should have put something in the post about comparing Obama's choice of Biden to Mccains choice of Palin.
I think Obama scored HUGE points with what is perceived by Americans as his choice of a qualified person and McCains choice of a flippin moron.
I think it reminded people of Bushes choices like "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" and further associated McCain with Bush.

I thought Biden was a awful choice at the time Obama named him. I thought Obama would have done much better to pick Janet Napolitano or Richards. When the Palin selection was announced I thought McCain had the election wrapped up as long as there wasn't anything truly horrific in Palin's past. Boy was I wrong. Once Palin opened her mouth the sun shone again (through her ears).

LOL !!!!

And thank god you were wrong, could you imagine those "mavericks" running the nation?

 

[ch33kym0use]

I think as Americans you should consider other options apart from McCain and Palin, consider the Democrats, Libertarians and Constitution Party for I believe your country is going down the wrong path with the republicans. Their social and economic mistakes is a disgrace. I am sure that not choosing the republicans will prevent embarrassing yourselves and your country.

 

[StageLeft]

It looked awful at the beginning but after a few days he got a big bounce. Now he's down again. I feel it safe to say she was a poor pick. She simply is not holding herself well in national politics and I don't care how you dice it and slice it, she is not giving any good interviews and it's increasingly apparent she simply doesn't know what she's talking about. She would add nothing whatsoever to the white house and is merely there to get votes to get him in. But don't take my word for it; we'll see this on Nov4.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

I never thought I'd live long enough to see the African-American candidate for president, who worked his way up, from nothing, be pegged as the "elitist" while the enfeebled rich Republican with so many houses he had to get a fix on the total would be the "common man."

This is a result of the GOP Doctrine that holds "we create reality." So in the bizarro world of Republican politics, McCain - who has demonstrated more positions than the Kama Sutra - becames the "straight-talker" and Sarah Palin's self-parody equates to "connection to real people." Those propositions are put forth not because they have any semblance of truth but because the Republicans want them to be true. It's like the guy who takes a bogus sick day and has a car accident coming home from the movies. He explains his bad luck by contending "if only I hadn't been sick." They lie and then they believe the lie.

More than abdicating intelligence in this campaign, the Republicans have eschewed truth. A candidate might play fast and loose with the truth occasionally and then let the lie go. McCain-Palin have so little regard for intelligent discourse, they've been repeating the lies over and over even after neutral observers have pointed out the lies.

John and Cindy McCain paid $273,000 for Domestic help last year. Their bill for servants is four times larger than the average Main Street income. And yet John McCain is the patron of the common man. That's an insult to our collective intelligence and the most base lie in political history.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
Topic Title: So, now that we have gotten to know Sarah Palin...
Topic Summary: was she a good choice for McCain?

Now that we actually know something about Palin, and are not merely repeating the talking points when she was nominated, how do you see her selection?

For myself, I think the choice looked pretty good at the beginning. What I saw was an attractive, younger woman who had gubernatorial experience, and the right political views (extreme right wing) to satisfy those who don't trust or like McCain.

After the convention, when it got down to the nitty gritty, I think the nomination has totally backfired. I am very surprised at how many people feel she is unqualified, and then cite McCains age and health.

In fact, I wonder if the she hasn't lost McCain a full point in the polls. This is a very large amount for a VP pick.

I just spoke to family members that will be voting for McCain/Palin because they fear Obama because he is a Muslim and part of the Pelosi Democrats that ruined the economy 2 weeks ago and they are ecstatic over Palin and wish it was her at the top of the ticket instead of McCain.

🙁

Kinda throws new light on the genetics versus environment debate.

Actually no

Most of these family members are from the south, this is 110% religion talking.

They also swear that Democrats will do everything they can to convert them to being Gay.
(This family member is from Long Island)

They also want rights for the cells upon conception and want Roe V Wade overturned.

 

[XZeroII]

Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I have always felt she was an exceptionally cynical and short-sighted pick. She really is very analogous to Dan Quayle, who got positive reviews early on, but became a liability once it was clear he was a bit of a dunce. If anything Quayle was, IMO, brighter (and certainly better qualified) than Palin.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT. If only they would focus all of that anger and hate into something productive...wow.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT.

Too bad that's not the case this time.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT. If only they would focus all of that anger and hate into something productive...wow.

We are, destroying what is destroying our country.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT. If only they would focus all of that anger and hate into something productive...wow.

You know, I can't help but notice that you're not disagreeing with "the liberals of AT". Your engaging in the oldest and least rational method of arguing known to man, attack the source instead of the facts. It doesn't matter if you're the paragon of unbiased or a foaming at the mouth partisan, the facts are still the facts...and I don't see you disputing THOSE.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT. If only they would focus all of that anger and hate into something productive...wow.

This thread isn't about the "liberals of AT", this thread is about Sarah Palin. Are you going to defend her as a good choice for VP or not?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
However, once Palin got off script and you heard how unprepared she really was, she was left with only (1) and that's not enough for McCain. The polls' downward trend since Palin began giving interviews reveals all. Had she been able to think on her feet and speak knowledgeably on the issues, McCain would be leading by ten points or more in the swing states (MI, MN, FL, OH, VA).

Except that's also when the financial crisis began. Probably a more important factor.

Bush I won a landslide in 1988 with Dan Quayle around. I'm sure, though, the McCain camp will keep her mouth shut for the next month.

I don't know. Maybe its because I'm closer to the banking crisis than most Americans but I don't see much that leads me to believe that the Obama is or would be any better on that than McCain. I still think it's the Palin effect.

It's a knee jerk reaction. Obama is pro handouts, so they think they'll get more from him. It has little to do with banking itself, Harry Reid already admitted they don't know what to do about that.

 

[miketheidiot]

I think the palin effect is worth 2-3 points off where the ticket would be with say, a pawlenty vp.

 

[ProfJohn]

What were McCain's other choices?

And would any of them added more to the ticket?

Does McCain jump to a big post convention lead with Romeny on the ticket?

Also, look at the generic congressional ballot polls. Post Palin the Republicans jumped big time. McCain may lose, but it will not be due to Palin.
McCain may actually be setting the party up for the future and pointing it in the right direction the same way Goldwater did.

And I don't think we have seen the last of Palin either. Some high powered Rove type will latch on to her and spend the next four years preparing her for a run in 2012 or 2016. Joke all you want about her, but she went toe to toe with a guy who has been in the Senate since she was in the 2nd grade and held her own. Give her four years to learn more about the issue and get comfortable talking about them and see what happens.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Joke all you want about her, but she went toe to toe with a guy who has been in the Senate since she was in the 2nd grade and held her own.

She didn't hold her own, what she did was not make a complete fool out of herself, well at least not as much as she did the previous week. What she has shown is McCain's judgment is erractic.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What were McCain's other choices?

And would any of them added more to the ticket?

Does McCain jump to a big post convention lead with Romeny on the ticket?

Also, look at the generic congressional ballot polls. Post Palin the Republicans jumped big time. McCain may lose, but it will not be due to Palin.
McCain may actually be setting the party up for the future and pointing it in the right direction the same way Goldwater did.

And I don't think we have seen the last of Palin either. Some high powered Rove type will latch on to her and spend the next four years preparing her for a run in 2012 or 2016. Joke all you want about her, but she went toe to toe with a guy who has been in the Senate since she was in the 2nd grade and held her own. Give her four years to learn more about the issue and get comfortable talking about them and see what happens.

She didn't hold her own, the debate format was so lax that a trained chimp could have 'held their own'. Non-existent follow up questions, the ability to ignore questions she didn't want to answer (which she did over and over again), etc.

If Palin tries for a presidential run in 2012 she will lose. Flat out. While the right might like her, she has become another Dan Quayle in the public eye, a high status moron. She might be able to become a senator from Alaska, but another presidential ticket after this disaster? Not a chance.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Joke all you want about her, but she went toe to toe with a guy who has been in the Senate since she was in the 2nd grade and held her own.

She didn't hold her own, what she did was not make a complete fool out of herself, well at least not as much as she did the previous week. What she has shown is McCain's judgment is erractic.

yea, i mean the format of the debate was setup to help her avoid a melt down..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What were McCain's other choices?

And would any of them added more to the ticket?

Does McCain jump to a big post convention lead with Romeny on the ticket?

Also, look at the generic congressional ballot polls. Post Palin the Republicans jumped big time. McCain may lose, but it will not be due to Palin.
McCain may actually be setting the party up for the future and pointing it in the right direction the same way Goldwater did.

And I don't think we have seen the last of Palin either. Some high powered Rove type will latch on to her and spend the next four years preparing her for a run in 2012 or 2016. Joke all you want about her, but she went toe to toe with a guy who has been in the Senate since she was in the 2nd grade and held her own. Give her four years to learn more about the issue and get comfortable talking about them and see what happens.

She didn't hold her own, the debate format was so lax that a trained chimp could have 'held their own'. Non-existent follow up questions, the ability to ignore questions she didn't want to answer (which she did over and over again), etc.

If Palin tries for a presidential run in 2012 she will lose. Flat out. While the right might like her, she has become another Dan Quayle in the public eye, a high status moron. She might be able to become a senator from Alaska, but another presidential ticket after this disaster? Not a chance.

After the findings are released from the probe into her abuse or power regarding the firing of the State Police Commissioner are released her future in politics probably will be at an end.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Come one. You're one of the most liberal and closed minded people on these boards. Don't try to act like you actually looked at the other side for anything other than a target so you can throw more mud.

Did McCain have to choose such an easy target though?

Even the smartest and best person for the job is an easy target for the liberals of AT. If only they would focus all of that anger and hate into something productive...wow.

You know, I can't help but notice that you're not disagreeing with "the liberals of AT". Your engaging in the oldest and least rational method of arguing known to man, attack the source instead of the facts. It doesn't matter if you're the paragon of unbiased or a foaming at the mouth partisan, the facts are still the facts...and I don't see you disputing THOSE.

It was not an attack. It was an observation.

 

[CallMeJoe]

If Governor Palin decides to run for President in 2012 or 2016, she must first survive the intensity of the presidential primaries with its debates. She won't get far in that snake pit dodging questions, dropping empty platitudes and flirting with the camera. She will discover her competition there is a pack of Pit Bulls sans lipstick.

 

[seemingly random]

was she a good choice for McCain?

Depends on what his goal was. If it was imminent retirement, he succeeded. If it was pissing in the face of americans, he succeeded.