So my Titan died and I fell into an F150

[halik]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2264889&highlight=

...let us know how the bottom of your foot tastes.

In response to:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2264771&highlight=ferrari

Way to side step my actual argument, however. I stand by my point that some 95% of truck owners actually really need an SUV, texas macho/all hat no cattle thing notwithstanding.

Same towing capacity, much better interior and suspension better than leaf springs for 2K lbs of load you'll never do. Trucks are work vehicles; you don't see people buy E350 conversion vans as personal vehicles.

 

[tfinch2]

Do you personally floor your car around every corner and cruise the freeway at 130mph? No? So why do you need a 400hp sports car when 99.9%of the driving you do could be accomplished with a hybrid Camry?

lulz

 

[waggy]

sounds like you got a good deal.

 

[Throckmorton]

Same towing capacity, much better interior and suspension better than leaf springs for 2K lbs of load you'll never do. Trucks are work vehicles; you don't see people buy E350 conversion vans as personal vehicles.

Trucks have the same interiors now, and the bed is more utilitarian. You can carry a taller load like a motorcycle in a truck, or manure, or sand, or whatever. Or you can put on a bed cap and still have way more capacity.

You can even get a camper and LIVE in your truck, which you can't with an SUV. Yes you can tow a camper but that's more difficult.

You can even get a truck with coil springs if you want, the Dodge Ram.

 

[halik]

Trucks have the same interiors now, and the bed is more utilitarian. You can carry a taller load like a motorcycle in a truck, or manure, or sand, or whatever. Or you can put on a bed cap and still have way more capacity.

You can even get a camper and LIVE in your truck, which you can't with an SUV. Yes you can tow a camper but that's more difficult.

You can even get a truck with coil springs if you want, the Dodge Ram.

Again if most of your driving actually is the utilitarian type - hauling sand, gravel, equipment etc etc. More power to you, you're the 5% that actually has a truck for a reason. That simply isn't the cast for vast majority of truck owner. Buddy of mine owns and runs a horse farm and he drives around f350 duallie; most of the time with bails of hay in the back of it.

Good rule of thumb is, if you don't need a bedliner for what you do with it, you should've bought an SUV.

On the second point, majority of SUVs especially unibody, have far, far better interior, as it doesn't have to be as heavy duty:

 

[Throckmorton]

Again if most of your driving actually is the utilitarian type - hauling sand, gravel, equipment etc etc. More power to you, you're the 5% that actually has a truck for a reason. That simply isn't the cast for vast majority of truck owner. Generally speaking, if you don't need a bedliner for what you do with it, you should've bought an SUV.

On the second point, majority of SUVs especially unibody, have far, far better interior, as it doesn't have to be as heavy duty:

Now you're comparing apples to oranges, because a unibody SUV is not as capable as a real truck. Even if you only use the capabilities of the truck 5 times a year, that's 5 more than you can do the job with a unibody SUV. Unless you want to risk damaging it.

With a modern truck you get an interior just as good, gas mileage just as good, ride slightly worse, usually as much safety, and much more capability than a car based SUV. A truck is also easier to work on because of the longitudinal drivetrain.

 

[halik]

Now you're comparing apples to oranges, because a unibody SUV is not as capable as a real truck. Even if you only use the capabilities of the truck 5 times a year, that's 5 more than you can do the job with a unibody SUV. Unless you want to risk damaging it.

With a modern truck you get an interior just as good, gas mileage just as good, ride slightly worse, usually as much safety, and much more capability than a car based SUV. A truck is also easier to work on because of the longitudinal drivetrain.

EcoBoost explorer has the same towing capacity as regular 3.7L V6 F150. If you max out an F150, your towing capacity is 4000lbs more than max explorer. Again if you're in that corner case, you're the 5% that needs a truck, the remaining 95% will never come anywhere near that when helping friends move couches.

If you need a work vehicle, by all means get a truck. If you bought a truck because that's what people do in texas, justifying by some indefinite "capability" probably isn't the way to go.

 

[Lounatik]

You don't truck shop much I take it.
I'd gave him 3k and had a lower mileage motor put in for a few grand and made out like a bandit.

Believe me, I agonized over doing the engine swap. Truck was worth about 4300 in excellent condition, which mine was not, so getting 3 was okay to me. I also had to get a used transmission( with 80k miles on it) and radiator replaced at 100k when the built-into-the-radiator trans cooler busted a pipe inside the radiator and sucked all the coolant into my transmission and dumped jmatic into my radiator. I couldnt see putting more money into it with the risk of getting stranded somewhere remote with two small kids in the truck. It happened with the transmission and it really sucked.

Was a real fun truck, but it was time for it to go.



Peace



Lounatik

 

[drbrock]

I am shocked the titan was only worth 4300 in excellent condition. You cant find a car in decent condition for under 3500 here in south florida. I got 4000 for a 1996 honda accord two years ago. I guess the titan must have a bad name or something.

 

[Lounatik]

I am shocked the titan was only worth 4300 in excellent condition. You cant find a car in decent condition for under 3500 here in south florida. I got 4000 for a 1996 honda accord two years ago. I guess the titan must have a bad name or something.

It does. Apparently for the few trucks that Nissan actually sells, there are far too many reliability issues.


Peace


Lounatik

 

[SparkyJJO]

Again if most of your driving actually is the utilitarian type - hauling sand, gravel, equipment etc etc. More power to you, you're the 5% that actually has a truck for a reason. That simply isn't the cast for vast majority of truck owner. Buddy of mine owns and runs a horse farm and he drives around f350 duallie; most of the time with bails of hay in the back of it.

Good rule of thumb is, if you don't need a bedliner for what you do with it, you should've bought an SUV.

WHO CARES.

Seriously, why do some of you people tear apart what other people buy so much? He bought it because he wanted it. So what? Why does it matter to you or anyone else so much what he does or does not drive? His money, his vehicle, and last I checked this country is still somewhat free. It doesn't matter if he actually needs a truck or not.

 

[BUTCH1]

You don't truck shop much I take it.
I'd gave him 3k and had a lower mileage motor put in for a few grand and made out like a bandit.

Well it's true anything can be fixed, but it's not always the best route. Co-worker dumped $1,500 for a tranny for an old Buick regal with 235K on it, then 2 months later the engine breaks a rod, he would have been better served by putting the $1,500 to another car at that point..

 

[Sulaco]

In response to:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2264771&highlight=ferrari

Way to side step my actual argument, however. I stand by my point that some 95% of truck owners actually really need an SUV, texas macho/all hat no cattle thing notwithstanding.

Same towing capacity, much better interior and suspension better than leaf springs for 2K lbs of load you'll never do. Trucks are work vehicles; you don't see people buy E350 conversion vans as personal vehicles.

No, I linked that thread because it's your car, is it not?

I side stepped nothing. You were the one that side stepped the multiple posts about the necessity of a 400hp sports car, to which you simply ignored them completely. Well done.
The comparison is the same; How often do you need 1.01G of lateral grip and 0-60 acceleration in the 5 second range? Well?
Probably about as often as someone using all the work ability in a truck. Actually, probably a lot less.
So why have it? Couldn't you be more efficiently driving in a Prius? Absolutely.

That's the point. Get down off the high horse and stop expecting everyone to conform to what you deem their "needs" are, commrade.

 

[Throckmorton]

EcoBoost explorer has the same towing capacity as regular 3.7L V6 F150. If you max out an F150, your towing capacity is 4000lbs more than max explorer. Again if you're in that corner case, you're the 5% that needs a truck, the remaining 95% will never come anywhere near that when helping friends move couches.

If you need a work vehicle, by all means get a truck. If you bought a truck because that's what people do in texas, justifying by some indefinite "capability" probably isn't the way to go.

The tow ratings are just marketing numbers, and part of it is based on performance. The F150 won't break if you tow more than the rating, it just won't perform well. But the Explorer will.

 

[NutBucket]

Uh no. There's a standardized test that manufacturers complete that is used to determine tow ratings.

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_0910_truck_towing_capacity/viewall.html

A bit dated but it has all the right info.

 

[halik]

No, I linked that thread because it's your car, is it not?

I side stepped nothing. You were the one that side stepped the multiple posts about the necessity of a 400hp sports car, to which you simply ignored them completely. Well done.
The comparison is the same; How often do you need 1.01G of lateral grip and 0-60 acceleration in the 5 second range? Well?
Probably about as often as someone using all the work ability in a truck. Actually, probably a lot less.
So why have it? Couldn't you be more efficiently driving in a Prius? Absolutely.

That's the point. Get down off the high horse and stop expecting everyone to conform to what you deem their "needs" are, commrade.

I wasn't quite sure why my car was relevant in the usual lack of necessity of a work truck debate.

But to your point, I live downtown Chicago and take the train to work. I bought the car as a weekend toy to make use of all the grip and acceleration I can get out of it.

Clearly If I needed a remotely practical commuting main vehicle, a 911 would be a very poor choice and we'd be very much in agreement. Much like a truck for 95% of people, a 911 makes sense as a second car, not a main vehicle.

 

[waggy]

WHO CARES.

Seriously, why do some of you people tear apart what other people buy so much? He bought it because he wanted it. So what? Why does it matter to you or anyone else so much what he does or does not drive? His money, his vehicle, and last I checked this country is still somewhat free. It doesn't matter if he actually needs a truck or not.

agree.d though i wish people would stop buying trucks. It's raising the price!

I had a F150 on my farm loved it. i also beat the hell out of it.

 

[Jimzz]

It does. Apparently for the few trucks that Nissan actually sells, there are far too many reliability issues.


Peace


Lounatik

2004 was the first year of the titan, lots of first year issues. The 3rd month 2005 had several updates and they had a refresh in the 2008 model year as well.

I use to have a 2005 with no major issues.

 

[WackyDan]

Same towing capacity

Uhm.... No.

 

[WackyDan]

The tow ratings are just marketing numbers, and part of it is based on performance. The F150 won't break if you tow more than the rating, it just won't perform well. But the Explorer will.

The ratings are guidelines, but if you cause a major accident with physical injuries and it is found you were over the ratings of the vehicle, it could get interesting for you. It is generally considered smart to stay within a buffer of your max towing capacity... Too few people subtract for the payload in the truck from the towing capacity.

I tow a 5400#(DRY), 7000# (loaded) trailer once a month. I'd like to see Halik do that with a fucking explorer and do so safely. I'd also like to see him do that for ten+ years with that SUV and see what issues that buys him.

My neighbor next door has a mid-sized SUV and yet comes to me to see if I can go pick up mattresses for him. He asked me to take stuff to the dump for him one day... because god forbid the inside of the SUV get dirty. My bet is that counter to Halik's claim an SUV is more utilitarian, that more people own SUV's that really don't have any real use for them - But I don't care.

 

[Blieb]

You're gonna love it! Love my F150!