So my dad just used some racial profiling. *UPDATE*

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
The Troopers graduated a class today.

http://timesunion.com/


The 191st class of New York state troopers salute during their graduation ceremony at the Empire State Plaza Convention Center in Albany today. (Skip Dickstein / Times Union)

:thumbsup: Another upstate guy. :beer:

 

[imported_TMagnum]

That was NOT "racial profiling!"

Why?

Because Arabs are, by definition, Caucasian (i.e. "white.")

So, assuming the photographer was not from, say, Somalia (which is really not the "Middle East"), there was no racial bias exhibited. There was just a suspicious WHITE guy taking photos of a State Police barracks.

(Comment: Hey, just buy a radar detector, already!)

Now there may be RELIGIOUS bias at work here, but you really can't tell a person's beliefs just from their ethnicity. Lots of Lebanese Christians, etc.

--Unless this was some sort of reverse discrimination? (Was the questioner black?)

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Childs
He was wrong. Dude may have just been taking pictures and got disgusted because he's being harassed by some guy who isn't even wearing a badge. Even if the guy was a terrorist, he should have given your dad the finger!

If he was a terrorist, he should have shot him in the face and asked questions later.

Watch one season of 24, and all of a sudden everybody's an expert on terrorists.

:laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

I see no problem with what your Dad did.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
So my dad was just driving around and saw some middle eastern dude chilling taking pictures of the NYS Troopers Barracks and thought he'd stop by and see what the pics were for. (Sidenote: My dad is in public relations and helps the NYS Troopers out alot and also knows like 95% of the media people in our city, so it's not like he was just being a dick.) So when my dad pulls up this guy starts to act really odd, getting really squirrely. My dad asks him if he needs help w/ the pictures and asks what they are for. The guy just tells him 'No' and goes back to the pictures snapping away like a mad man. My dad takes down his license plate # and car info while he's walking away and calls his friend that works for the Troopers.

Now my dad said he stopped because he was just interested in what the guy was doing but i know he stopped because the guy was middle eastern. Was it alright for him to do that?

For all those who are going to say P&N: Fvck off, go there and wank yourself

you mean he wouldn't have stopped if it were any guy taking pictures of the NYS Troopers Barracks? i think he would've stopped and questioned the guy no matter what.

and for that matter if he looked middle eastern we should be even more suspicious.
fvck not being able to racial profile. look at the pics of what most terrorists look like and use that, don't deny it.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71
Racial profiling is flawed anyway because any particular race could just hire others to do the same thing for them. I don't care if authorities use it to question/stop people so long as they don't go any further without proof. I'm sure it helps them more than hurts.

If your logic held any water the Muslim terrorists would hire Jews to be suicide bombers. They might even hire Christians, Hindus or Buddhists, but they have not, so far.

Where does that leave you? Muslim terrorists are responsible for every Muslim terrorist escapade so far. Why not profile in order to protect ourselves from Muslim terrorists by stopping Muslim people who are acting suspiciously?

Have a nice day.

:beer:

- M4H

 

[SilentZero]

He was right for what he did. Congrats to him. I am about to racial profile my arse off in a few days when I get on a plane...its human nature.

 

[Icepick]

Yes, your father's actions were most justifiable. That guy was exhibiting very unusual and suspicious behavior. Heck, I'm as white as they get. If I stood in front of the local state troopers barracks for any length of time and just kept snapping photos of it you damned well better believe someone would come out and ask me what the f*** I was up to. Then they'd order me to leave immediately. The fact that the guy you described in the op wouldn't respond to your father's inquiries further justifies your father's actions.

 

[SilentZero]

OPSEC!

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: paulney
That is the most retarded thing to say ever. How do you get the right to say if people can take pictures of the barracks or not. Did the facility have 'no photography' signs on them with a code section related to army instllations? No? Then fvck off.

That guy had every right to take pictures of whatever he wanted to. I hate d!ckwads who think they are counter-terrorism experts and gurus in the subject of photography.

:roll: No one said he couldn't take pictures, only that it's suspicious. I haven't seen a barracks was even in the slight bit interesting that I would want to take a picture of. They are almost always the most boring and utilitarian of buildings and pictures of piles of garbage would have more photographic merit. There is a small possibility that the building in question was historically or archetcurally signficant but I doubt it. If I saw someone taking pictures of a building like that I would be curious as to why. And there is nothing wrong about reporting suspicious behavior, only foolish children think there is.

 

[shilala]

If I'm taking pictures of the police barracks, I better have damn good reason, permission, and carry on professionally.
That said, if your Dad pulls up and asks what I'm doing, I'll answer him politely by telling him I'm taking pictures for a newspaper or whatever my reason is.
If he persists, I'll then politely ask him to go fvck himself.
If he doesn't like that, I'll provoke him untill he gives me cause to smash his face in with a tripod.
I'm funny like that.

I think your Dad did the right thing. Make sure you let us know what comes of it.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
racial profiling saves time :thumbsup:

and lives.


Who is more likely to blow up a plane, an 80 year old woman, or a middle eastern man?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71
Racial profiling is flawed anyway because any particular race could just hire others to do the same thing for them. I don't care if authorities use it to question/stop people so long as they don't go any further without proof. I'm sure it helps them more than hurts.

If your logic held any water the Muslim terrorists would hire Jews to be suicide bombers. They might even hire Christians, Hindus or Buddhists, but they have not, so far.

Where does that leave you? Muslim terrorists are responsible for every Muslim terrorist escapade so far. Why not profile in order to protect ourselves from Muslim terrorists by stopping Muslim people who are acting suspiciously?

Have a nice day.

Because its impolite...:roll:

 

[MoPHo]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
So my dad was just driving around and saw some middle eastern dude chilling taking pictures of the NYS Troopers Barracks and thought he'd stop by and see what the pics were for. (Sidenote: My dad is in public relations and helps the NYS Troopers out alot and also knows like 95% of the media people in our city, so it's not like he was just being a dick.) So when my dad pulls up this guy starts to act really odd, getting really squirrely. My dad asks him if he needs help w/ the pictures and asks what they are for. The guy just tells him 'No' and goes back to the pictures snapping away like a mad man. My dad takes down his license plate # and car info while he's walking away and calls his friend that works for the Troopers.

Now my dad said he stopped because he was just interested in what the guy was doing but i know he stopped because the guy was middle eastern. Was it alright for him to do that?

For all those who are going to say P&N: Fvck off, go there and wank yourself

UPDATE: So i went out w/ some of my friends tonight and just got home. Turns out my dad was asked to come back to describe the man he saw so they could verify it with their national database. Dunno if they had a match or anything buuut yea, i had to go by the area on my way to the mall and there were ALOT of state troopers flying all around the area...

And the reason i say Michigan in the poll part is because Brick from Anchorman when giving the weather forcast, he refers to the middle of the country as the 'Middle East'. Wasn't aware it was minority capital USA.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71
Racial profiling is flawed anyway because any particular race could just hire others to do the same thing for them. I don't care if authorities use it to question/stop people so long as they don't go any further without proof. I'm sure it helps them more than hurts.

If your logic held any water the Muslim terrorists would hire Jews to be suicide bombers. They might even hire Christians, Hindus or Buddhists, but they have not, so far.

Where does that leave you? Muslim terrorists are responsible for every Muslim terrorist escapade so far. Why not profile in order to protect ourselves from Muslim terrorists by stopping Muslim people who are acting suspiciously?

Have a nice day.

I didn't say not to racially profile. I don't mind it, like I said. But if you're going to think it's ONLY middle-eastern people planning attacks with pictures then you're letting go all the other races who are taking suspicious pictures. How hard is it for these terrorists to get others to take the pictures for them ? So then... what's really the benefit to racial profiling ? Use it, but don't depend on it. I guess that wasn't clear.

 

[Le Petomane]

Oh yes, racial profiling is so great! Just like all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, all blacks are on welfare, and all Polocks are dumb. Did I leave anyone out? If so I apologize. Give me a break. The guy should have kicked your daddy's ass. I know I would have. Now go back to your rich, all white suburb, in your SUV, and play with yourself.

 

[Mday]

a guy taking pix of a bunch of law enforcement pictures in a car is just odd, race or not. there are lots of ppl in nyc that take pictures of cops, but hell, they let the cops know, since they have to pose. anyway, yeah, just a weird act to begin with.

 

[FeuerFrei]

IF you don't like racial profiling move to a different country where your race isn't doesn't attract suspicion.

 

[TheWart]

Originally posted by: Le Petomane
Oh yes, racial profiling is so great! Just like all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, all blacks are on welfare, and all Polocks are dumb. Did I leave anyone out? If so I apologize. Give me a break. The guy should have kicked your daddy's ass. I know I would have. Now go back to your rich, all white suburb, in your SUV, and play with yourself.

ahhhh. The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
racial profiling saves time :thumbsup:

ALL profiling saves time. The problem is that people always associate profiling with race, when race is but a small piece of it.

 

[OutHouse]

sounds like CRIMINAL PROFILING to me.

 

[Le Petomane]

Oh yes, I'm the hypocrite... What's the chance his Daddy has a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on his/her SUV? It's rediculous. Period. I have never seen a police academy until I moved to NC. So, if I were to take pictures of it, maybe to send home, or whatever, I should be questioned? Or perhaps threatened? FU. This is absurd.

 

[RaiderJ]

There is a difference between racial profiling, and criminal profiling. What that guy was doing was suspicious, and being nervous + middle eastern doesn't help things.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: Le Petomane
Oh yes, racial profiling is so great! Just like all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, all blacks are on welfare, and all Polocks are dumb. Did I leave anyone out? If so I apologize. Give me a break. The guy should have kicked your daddy's ass. I know I would have. Now go back to your rich, all white suburb, in your SUV, and play with yourself.

Criminal profiling != racial profiling

But, people like you aren't happy unless terrorists kill white people. :|

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71
Racial profiling is flawed anyway because any particular race could just hire others to do the same thing for them. I don't care if authorities use it to question/stop people so long as they don't go any further without proof. I'm sure it helps them more than hurts.

If your logic held any water the Muslim terrorists would hire Jews to be suicide bombers. They might even hire Christians, Hindus or Buddhists, but they have not, so far.

Where does that leave you? Muslim terrorists are responsible for every Muslim terrorist escapade so far. Why not profile in order to protect ourselves from Muslim terrorists by stopping Muslim people who are acting suspiciously?

Have a nice day.

:beer:

- M4H

Plus I'm not sure hoe easily you could hire someone to suicide bomb. Unless you payed them, err, what exactly? They have different beliefs, so the 1000 virgins won't work, and they're gonna be dead, so material stuff won't work, so yeah, hard to hire suicide bombers since there's the whole "dead at the end of it all" issue.