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So much for Impeachment..

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Viper1j said:
Well, at least the rest of us are safe.

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Iranian government official raises eyebrows with tweet listing locations of Trump's properties

An Iranian government official seemed to suggest that President Trump's properties could be potential targets in retaliation for the US targeted killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani.Hesameddin Ashena, who is an adviser to Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, tweeted a link this Saturday to a...
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Iranian government official raises eyebrows with tweet listing locations of Trump’s properties

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An Iranian government official seemed to suggest that President Trump’s properties could be potential targets in retaliation for the US targeted killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani.

Hesameddin Ashena, who is an adviser to Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, tweeted a link this Saturday to a Forbes article that lists many of Trump’s properties in America and Europe, including Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

In a tweet the following day, Ashena wrote that the Iranian regime has “ZERO problems with the American people.”

“We even achieved deals with previous US administrations,” he added. “Our sole problem is Trump. In the event of war, it is he who will bear full responsibility.”

In a sentiment that took things a slight step further, Soleimani’s daughter Zeinab said at her father’s funeral that the “families of U.S. soldiers in the Middle East will spend their days waiting for the death of their children.”

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It does beg the question, whether or not Trump can deploy the military to protect his private property.
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The US better not spend a single fucking penny securing a single Trump stolen-from-taxpayers bullshit property. And I hope no other country does that as well.
 
zinfamous said:
Nancy just waiting for the the Repubs to do their job and hold an actual trial.
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Speaking of which, Bolton just agreed to testify in the Senate.

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How John Bolton just put the squeeze on Mitch McConnell over impeachment

Former national security adviser John Bolton's surprise announcement Monday that he is willing to testify in the Senate's impeachment trial significantly raises the already massive stakes of the pending votes in the chamber as to how the trial of President Donald Trump will be conducted. And it...
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Which makes things more interesting for McConnell.
 
Oh shit, called it. Trump properties for the FU, and using troops or taxpayer money to secure them will further infuriate and divide the country. Something tells me Mar a Lago might get hit, Trump is proud of conducting state business there. I can see the Iranians taking some offense to the notion of their national hero's demise being casually planned over opulent, alcohol accompanied dinner at a golf club and spa in Florida.

I wonder when we get to find out who got to die because Drumpf the Dipshit needed impeachment distraction.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Speaking of which, Bolton just agreed to testify in the Senate.

www.cnn.com

How John Bolton just put the squeeze on Mitch McConnell over impeachment

Former national security adviser John Bolton's surprise announcement Monday that he is willing to testify in the Senate's impeachment trial significantly raises the already massive stakes of the pending votes in the chamber as to how the trial of President Donald Trump will be conducted. And it...
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Which makes things more interesting for McConnell.
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Moscow Mitch wants to start the trial, worry about the witnesses later. Heh. Yes he's getting very interesting.
 
kage69 said:
Oh shit, called it. Trump properties for the FU, and using troops or taxpayer money to secure them will further infuriate and divide the country. Something tells me Mar a Lago might get hit, Trump is proud of conducting state business there. I can see the Iranians taking some offense to the notion of their national hero's demise being casually planned over opulent, alcohol accompanied dinner at a golf club and spa in Florida.

I wonder when we get to find out who got to die because Drumpf the Dipshit needed impeachment distraction.
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I would rather see them all go, than see Washington's nose get blown off Mount Rushmore.
 
pcgeek11 said:
If only Nancy would pass on the articles of impeachment...
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She hasn't had the opportunity. Both houses have been on break since before Christmas. Today was the first day back. It's all been posturing in the meanwhile, generally by people who aren't Pelosi.
 
Vic said:
It's funny how the Senate's open refusal to commit to a fair trial is somehow the House's fault, and the House should submit to the GOP's phony show trial ASAP. But you're not biased, right?
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You have a lot of trouble understanding simple statements. Zin said "Nancy just waiting for the the Repubs to do their job and hold an actual trial". I said "They can't do that without the articles of impeachment".
My statement was a correction of what Zin said. Nancy isn't waiting for the senate to hold a trial. They have no reason to hold a trial because they have no articles of impeachment.

It's probably best if you put me on ignore because you don't seem able to grasp the thoughts and opinions that I express. In the example above, I meant exactly what I said. There was no hidden meaning or agenda, only what I said.
 
Vic said:
It's funny how the Senate's open refusal to commit to a fair trial is somehow the House's fault, and the House should submit to the GOP's phony show trial ASAP. But you're not biased, right?
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More than enough has been said about McConnell staging a fake trial. The GOP won't be wearing the stink of it until they actually do it so we should move on to that expeditiously.
 
Greenman said:
You have a lot of trouble understanding simple statements. Zin said "Nancy just waiting for the the Repubs to do their job and hold an actual trial". I said "They can't do that without the articles of impeachment".
My statement was a correction of what Zin said. Nancy isn't waiting for the senate to hold a trial. They have no reason to hold a trial because they have no articles of impeachment.

It's probably best if you put me on ignore because you don't seem able to grasp the thoughts and opinions that I express. In the example above, I meant exactly what I said. There was no hidden meaning or agenda, only what I said.
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Ignorance isn't strength. I understand and see right through this transparent BS just fine.

The GOP in the Senate are openly bragging that they will not hold, or even allow, an actual trial, but will simply move to deny witnesses and evidence in favor of a summary acquital. For a prosecutor (which in this case BTW is the House) to knowingly submit to such a kangaroo court is to be complicit in the affront to the rule of law. But of course, that's what you want, right? Or heard on talk radio and conveniently didn't grasp the 2-sided ramifications..
 
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Jhhnn said:
More than enough has been said about McConnell staging a fake trial. The GOP won't be wearing the stink of it until they actually do it so we should move on to that expeditiously.
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They won't be wearing the stink of it after they do it either. It'll just be proof to them that even the public and legally presented grievances of the majority of the American People cannot stop them.
 
Vic said:
Ignorance isn't strength. I understand and see right through this transparent BS just fine.

The GOP in the Senate are openly bragging that they will not hold, or even allow, an actual trial, but will simply move to deny witnesses and evidence in favor of a summary acquital. For a prosecutor (which in this case BTW is the House) to knowingly submit to such a kangaroo court is to be complicit in the affront to the rule of law. But of course, that's what you want, right? Or heard on talk radio and conveniently didn't grasp the 2-sided ramifications..
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You're getting angry over words I never said. You're making assumptions that are incorrect, ranting about your flawed insight as if it had some validity, and arguing points that I never made. This is the very definition of a straw man argument. Give it up. The one sentence I wrote is absolutely accurate.
 
Greenman said:
You're getting angry over words I never said. You're making assumptions that are incorrect, ranting about your flawed insight as if it had some validity, and arguing points that I never made. This is the very definition of a straw man argument. Give it up. The one sentence I wrote is absolutely accurate.
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Lets walk through this. You made the statement, "They can't do that without the articles of impeachment." Please elaborate, what were you trying to convey with this statement? It may be technically accurate, but it is also misleading. It is the equivalent to me saying that you've killed hundreds during your lifetime.
 
mect said:
Lets walk through this. You made the statement, "They can't do that without the articles of impeachment." Please elaborate, what were you trying to convey with this statement? It may be technically accurate, but it is also misleading. It is the equivalent to me saying that you've killed hundreds during your lifetime.
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It's shit-stirring and he knows it. I can't call him a shit-stirrer since we're not allowed to be mean to each other anymore, but I can say he was definitely stirring shit.
 
kage69 said:
Oh shit, called it. Trump properties for the FU, and using troops or taxpayer money to secure them will further infuriate and divide the country. Something tells me Mar a Lago might get hit, Trump is proud of conducting state business there. I can see the Iranians taking some offense to the notion of their national hero's demise being casually planned over opulent, alcohol accompanied dinner at a golf club and spa in Florida.

I wonder when we get to find out who got to die because Drumpf the Dipshit needed impeachment distraction.
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Can't imagine the security nightmare that ocean waterfront property creates for the SS.
 
Greenman said:
You have a lot of trouble understanding simple statements. Zin said "Nancy just waiting for the the Repubs to do their job and hold an actual trial". I said "They can't do that without the articles of impeachment".
My statement was a correction of what Zin said. Nancy isn't waiting for the senate to hold a trial. They have no reason to hold a trial because they have no articles of impeachment.

It's probably best if you put me on ignore because you don't seem able to grasp the thoughts and opinions that I express. In the example above, I meant exactly what I said. There was no hidden meaning or agenda, only what I said.
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Noone but youself understands that. While logical true you refuse to ackowledge the fact that Moscow Mitch is on record, stating it will not be a fair trial. But yea, Senate cant do its job because... MM is a corrupt monkey. Thats why Senate cant do its job... cause MM cant do his. Period. Skull. Open. Information. Into. Brain. fortheloveofgodplz
 
Greenman didn't put it very well, but he's right that McConnell won't do anything until the House presents the writ. McConnell has said the same. The rest of it is just noise. If the rules of the Clinton trial aren't good enough for the House they can just stay home from his perspective. He simply has the power to make it that way. The real test will come when the Senate votes on the proposal to subpoena witnesses, as they did in the Clinton trial. If Mitch can't control his caucus at that juncture then assertions of immunity by the White House would make them guilty of the second count, obstruction of Congress. If witnesses are allowed it will sink Trump's defense like a torpedo amidships. They'll let him off anyway, I figure, so long as Trump Love holds sway with the base. How badly they'll be stinking up the place remains to be seen.
 
So, what is the proper procedure to complete the impeachment process? Seems few here agree on just what that is. As I understand it, the house has written up the articles of impeachment and voted to pass impeachment. The POTUS has now been impeached in the House. That part has been done. The House must now forward the passed articles to the Senate and per the rules, the Senate must now conduct the trial. It is up to the Senate to either affirm the impeachment, finding guilty and remove the POTUS, or acquit. Those are the only two options on the table.

It seems to me that failing to forward the articles to the Senate for trial is in and of itself an obstruction. A month ago there was all this urgency to impeach. What happened to the urgency? Yeah, Nancy is groveling for a commitment to a fair trial. What defines a fair trial? I get a sense that anything that does not result in conviction and removal is going to be considered an unfair trial by the Republican controlled Senate. This is a classic case trying to overreach her capacity, or having your cake and eat it too, on her part. Pelosi and the House have done their part; they do not get to control the entire process. This does not get to be left in limbo and the American people left twisting in the wind indefinitely. The GOP Senators are very correct, IMO, to expect a timeline and if it is not "reasonable", would feel like they will have no other choice than to pass a resolution to dismiss.

The Dems want this done. Shit or get off the pot. If they don't it just means this was all political bluster, with no teeth.
 
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