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So much for GM's re-birth! Edmunds PWNS the Solstice!

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Originally posted by: thirdeye
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
"A quick look at the test numbers from the track show impressive statistics ? a 7.2-second 0-60-mph time, a 15.6-second quarter-mile at 88 mph and a 66.2-mph spin through the slalom. All are comparable to or better than the Miata."

I wouldn't call those stats impressive, actually slower than I had thought it would have been. I'd race one now, and certainly in January after I get my Supercharger 😛
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Edmunds reviewers can't drive for sh1t. That being said, it's still not a fast car by any means.

The more I read Edmunds, the less respect I have for them. Calling the harsh ride quality an issue is almost like saying it's good handling is a flaw. I can side with some of the complaints on the finish and what not, but still you can't expect the same ride and conveniences as a normal commuter car.
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Well, when the Miata doesn't have the same complaints, offers the same performance and has more storage space inside the cabin, a larger trunk, more easy to live with top mechanism, then you have to take issue.

The Miata has this whole thing down to a science. It's not a hard recipe to duplicate...GM has had 16 years to study it.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: senseamp
While I agree with their assessment of the Solstice is a beauty that is hard to live with on daily basis, I don't think it has much to do with GM's re-birth.
GM's rebirth is mainly due to brilliantly executed large truck and SUV redesign, and the new Lambda crossover designs. Plus all the other product redesigns.
Solstice is only there to create an image for Pontiac, and it has the looks to do it.
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Unfortunately, that's all it has.

Edit-And there is no way in hell I'd ever buy a first year model American car. Yet, I've purchased two first year model Japanese cars in the past 6 years.
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Well, Pontiac dealers still have mark up over the MSRP on the Solstice, so really, there are people who want the Solstice and are fine with it right now as it is. It's not for everyone, but Pontiac will sell the ones they make without discounting based on the look alone.
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
For all the naysayers saying Edmunds dug their own grave - when compared to a similarly priced, in the same segment Miata, they don't have nearly the same complaints. The car can be better. Period. They're just pointing that out.
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So how many generations does the Miata have on the Solstice? I think it's fair to say that the Solstice is doing very good for it's first run.

Has Edmunds done any long-term testing on the Sky?
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
For all the naysayers saying Edmunds dug their own grave - when compared to a similarly priced, in the same segment Miata, they don't have nearly the same complaints. The car can be better. Period. They're just pointing that out.
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So how many generations does the Miata have on the Solstice? I think it's fair to say that the Solstice is doing very good for it's first run.

Has Edmunds done any long-term testing on the Sky?
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Does it really matter how many generations the Miata has under its belt? If anything, that should make any mistakes by GM with the Solstice even harder to ignore. When you've had 16 years to study a competitor, mistakes shouldn't be made.

It's like a teacher giving a student a copy of the answers to an exam the night before only to then watch them still flunk the test when you take it the next day.
 
Originally posted by: Horus
And the Miata keeps it's crown as the king of the Roadsters.
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Except on the Autocross track, which is the only place it really matters.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
For all the naysayers saying Edmunds dug their own grave - when compared to a similarly priced, in the same segment Miata, they don't have nearly the same complaints. The car can be better. Period. They're just pointing that out.
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So how many generations does the Miata have on the Solstice? I think it's fair to say that the Solstice is doing very good for it's first run.

Has Edmunds done any long-term testing on the Sky?
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Does it really matter how many generations the Miata has under its belt? If anything, that should make any mistakes by GM with the Solstice even harder to ignore. When you've had 16 years to study a competitor, mistakes shouldn't be made.

It's like a teacher giving a student a copy of the answers to an exam the night before only to then watch them still flunk the test when you take it the next day.
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Well this is GM we're talking about. How long did it take them to finally start listening to it's customers and media? I'm sure they didn't take the Miata as seriously as they should have.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
For all the naysayers saying Edmunds dug their own grave - when compared to a similarly priced, in the same segment Miata, they don't have nearly the same complaints. The car can be better. Period. They're just pointing that out.
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So how many generations does the Miata have on the Solstice? I think it's fair to say that the Solstice is doing very good for it's first run.

Has Edmunds done any long-term testing on the Sky?
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It's the same car. Why would you do a long term test on two versions of the same car?
 
Originally posted by: DougK62
Last I checked, the Solstice was still out-selling the Miata by a large margin.
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If I were in the market for an inexpensive 2 seat convertible the Miata would be the one I would pick hands down.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
For all the naysayers saying Edmunds dug their own grave - when compared to a similarly priced, in the same segment Miata, they don't have nearly the same complaints. The car can be better. Period. They're just pointing that out.
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So how many generations does the Miata have on the Solstice? I think it's fair to say that the Solstice is doing very good for it's first run.

Has Edmunds done any long-term testing on the Sky?
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It's the same car. Why would you do a long term test on two versions of the same car?
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Same platform != Same Car.
 
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
"A quick look at the test numbers from the track show impressive statistics ? a 7.2-second 0-60-mph time, a 15.6-second quarter-mile at 88 mph and a 66.2-mph spin through the slalom. All are comparable to or better than the Miata."

I wouldn't call those stats impressive, actually slower than I had thought it would have been. I'd race one now, and certainly in January after I get my Supercharger 😛
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its a freaking tiny 4 banger... thats not bad at all for that...
this is the base model not the GXP which is much faster.

 
If for nothing else, the competition helps out the segment and ultimately the consumer wins.

You'll start seeing more content, power and refinement in future versions now that there is another player out there to draw buyers.
 
so they complain about the interior plastic panels not fitting.. but in their picture (maybe its the angle?) everything looks pretty flush
 
Also - They lost a *true* $2000 in depreciation on the car. It's their own fault they paid $2,000 over MSRP for a net "loss" of $4,000.

You can't go wrong paying $167 a month to beat on a roadster for a year.
 
so they complain about the interior plastic panels not fitting.. but in their picture (maybe its the angle?) everything looks pretty flush
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That's because it's probably a BS lie. Edmund's reviews always have an axe to grind against American cars, and GM cars in particular.

Seriously, if the dashboard panels are as badly aligned and as sloppily built as Edmunds claims it is, let's see photographs of it. Charges like that need to be backed up with proof.

Otherwise, this review is as worthless as pretty much everything else that's ever come out of Edmund's.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: senseamp
While I agree with their assessment of the Solstice is a beauty that is hard to live with on daily basis, I don't think it has much to do with GM's re-birth.
GM's rebirth is mainly due to brilliantly executed large truck and SUV redesign, and the new Lambda crossover designs. Plus all the other product redesigns.
Solstice is only there to create an image for Pontiac, and it has the looks to do it.
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Edit-And there is no way in hell I'd ever buy a first year model American car. Yet, I've purchased two first year model Japanese cars in the past 6 years.
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What does this have to do with ANYTHING. Like, not even slightly relevant. Jules would never buy a first year model domestic. Wow yes, this gives me tons of additional insight on the Edmunds review and of this first year model Pontiac, if Jules wouldn't buy it everyone else should heed extreme caution.

I mean hey you're a cool guy and I usually like your posts but when car threads come up you sometimes spew your anti-domestic opinions like my roommate throwing up after a few too many cherry vodkas last night.
 
man Ive seen the LS2 versions of this car out there... but more and more I think of this little ah heck with a Supercharged Ford 302 HO in it...
bet this little ah heck would eat it up...


Kinda like the old Ford Monster Miatas that used to run around.. only sexier..
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Also - They lost a *true* $2000 in depreciation on the car. It's their own fault they paid $2,000 over MSRP for a net "loss" of $4,000.

You can't go wrong paying $167 a month to beat on a roadster for a year.
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and that's high mileage
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Also - They lost a *true* $2000 in depreciation on the car. It's their own fault they paid $2,000 over MSRP for a net "loss" of $4,000.

You can't go wrong paying $167 a month to beat on a roadster for a year.
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and that's high mileage
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Yeh. 17,000 is a lot of damn miles. That's 45+ miles a day. I think I'd get pretty frustrated with the quirks of roadster too if I spent that much time in it a day.
 
It's an American car. What did you honestly expect, quality?

I'm surprised the muffler didn't fall off after 5,000 miles.


Anyone can whittle clay and design a beautiful car; but leave reliability and quality to the Japanese.
 
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